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Originally posted by Getsmart
We can assume that we - Earth's human species - may well have been created by both of these Gods. As living beings, we stem from GOD, but due to our likely genetic "tweaking" in ancient history, we may also have been interfered with by Gods who usurped the GOD status as our creators.
Originally posted by aorAki
*Nope, sorry, another unnecessary distraction. There is no need for 'god/s' for this to occur....rather, I see 'god/s' as a construct by those who wish to control us.
Life without 'god' is free, and far from cold and dark. As soon as 'god' enters the equation we doubt ourselves, have fears and do unspeakable acts in his name.
I can 'buy' the concept of 'extraterrestrials' posing as what we would call 'gods' but by no means do I trust that there is anything like a 'universal consciousness' or 'creator'.
Maybe, just maybe 'our' concept of 'good' and 'evil' are totally different from 'theirs' and thus both sides believe they are in the right?
I mean, we, as a species are not actually that 'good' as we have proven time and time again.
We like to pay lip-service to the 'noble concept' of good but we actually don't do anything to make it real.
Regarding the 'perverse nature', I feel we ALL have the capability. My Lai, well, any act of war and destruction and state-sanctioned murder. We are inheritors of violence.
Originally posted by aorAki
In saying that we ALL have the capacity for extreme acts of violence I don't mean to imply that we all allow it to come to the fore.
I don't believe there is a Universal consciousness, just a whole lot of different branes (uh...brains ) trying to make sense of things as best they can.
There MAY be different beings posing as Humans, but we don't need to use them as an excuse for our own unspeakable acts.
Originally posted by someotherguy
Heard an interesting suggestion recently about your rept story, GS. Do you think it's possible that most people saw that "guy" as perhaps a big basketball player or something while you were able to see him for what he really was?
Originally posted by Replicator EYD
While, in essence, this theory makes a bit of sense, of all the leaders to choose from why the heck would anyone clone Jimmy Carter or Obama? The first dolt was kicked to the curb as soon as Constitutionally possible, and I'm pretty sure the same will happen with his modern-day pseudo clone.
Why not clone good (or at least competent and intelligent) leaders?
Originally posted by someotherguy
GS, I'm just wondering if that thing you saw may have appeared as a human to other people. I'm thinking of "They Live" & how the aliens appeared as normal people unless you had the special glasses on. I'm wondering if it's possible that you could see it for what it really was while others cannot. Of course, it's pure speculation b/c we don't have another witness saying s/he just saw a tall basketball player. lol
Originally posted by Replicator EYD
While, in essence, this theory makes a bit of sense, of all the leaders to choose from why the heck would anyone clone Jimmy Carter or Obama?
"Would you consider the secret government the Fourth Reich ? "
"It's hard to say. My understanding of it is that the secret government is not connected with the Nazis but with world bankers, old money and what's called the "black nobility". These were the blue-bloods of Europe. They actually did have blue blood, and it was not hemoglobin based but copper based. They were semi-human. There are still to this day, some animal species in South America that have copper based blood systems. There was a problem with hemophilia, and not because of intermarrying. The problem was that they started to marry outside of the copper based blood system. Hemoglobin and copper systems don't mix. That's where the laws against marrying commoners originated."
"What about these synthetic humans ?"
"Human cloning was developed at the University of Utah at Salt Lake City in 1977. They first aired this on TV as part of a series. They had an alleged human clone on TV that they were interviewing. It didn't talk very well. They showed the original human and the clone. The clone was not all that successful. It took 14 months to generate a fully adult human clone in a tank. It was a two part series. The second part of the series never aired, for obvious reasons. CIA sources have confirmed that it started at the University of Utah. The government has a facility for clones. The first one was built in the Mount Hood area, about sixty miles east of Portland, Oregon. They have other facilities in other locations. Locations must have stable geomagnetic fields and other special characteristics or the cloning process does not work properly. They can replicate them faster now. They have clones of all the major government figures. This is partly for security reasons. it also creates the situation that when someone falls out of favor, they clone the person and kill the original. This kind of thing apparently happens with some frequency."
"There have been allegations by some that Carter and Reagan were replaced."
"Yes. I've heard that, but I have no information that says that it happened. Reagan looked a bit funny after his assassination attempt, particularly after he came out of the hospital."
"It's curious about the cloning facility in Portland. Were there not reports in the 1960's or 70's about people seeing a spitting image of Hitler there ?"
"Yes. it is curious. There isn't any connection that we can establish, but anything is possible. Hitler could have died as late as 1984. I have heard rumors that he was the top director of the Phoenix project, but those rumors were not considered to have any merit by most people. Eichmann was apparently involved at one point until the Israelis got him. A lot of top level Nazi scientists were involved. There was a man called Huntermann who was the associate director of the project. We wondered if there was anybody above him. There was - a complete collection of pure Nazis at the top. The Germans were also involved in work with the Greys and cloning processes."
"Are they Nazis still running things ?"
"I don't know what interconnections they may have today. I have two friends who say opposite things. one says that the Nazis are in charge and the other says that Jewish scientists are in charge. Other people say its MJ-12. Take your pick. I think that they're all involved."
"That's very interesting about the duality of the Germans and the Jews. Recently, we received information that these two groups of entities are originally from one source out there somewhere, and that they were banned to this planet to work out their differences. They have apparently always sought to destroy each other ... and they are still doing it on many levels. Everyone else just has to stand by and put up with it, I guess. it just adds to the mess. Orientation of both groups appears to be negatively oriented toward service to self instead of others. There have been things recently said by abductees that indicate that they were taken to joint Nazi-Alien bases were they had swastikas on the walls. This was within the last two years."
"Do you remember the Reinhold-Schmidt story ? He was a businessman who lived in New Jersey in the 1950's. I finally got a copy of his book. He insisted that one time when he was driving home from work, something went wrong with his car. He was approached by someone and was taken aboard a saucer. All the occupants were dressed in black clothing and talked in German. To him it appeared like they might be Nazis. He wasn't sure but he thought they were. They picked him up by agreement several times thereafter. He began talking about it and he had a visit from government agents who told him to shut up. He insisted. He was picked up and put into treatment in a mental hospital for about four months. When he came out he was a changed man. He died sometime later. Up until he went into the mental hospital, he was insistent on his story. This was approximately 1956. I'm not sure. He was a prominent businessman. It was a sensational story at the time."
"There have been some that have said that Hitler was connected into things in terms of the Aryan race and ET's. What is the story behind that ?"
"Well, Hitler spend a lot of time in libraries before his mother died, and he was convinced that the white race was going to be squeezed out of existence in anoth&r 75 years. He decided that he was going to be the defender of the Aryan race. This was back before World War One. He was also relating this to the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, where in the 24th protocol it says that the white race will be destroyed by genetic inter-marriage. He wanted to stop the trend. He became interested in metaphysics. The Dark Side involvement began after a bout with peyote before World War One and his involvement with the Thule Society, which was connected to Aleister Crowley and the Order of the Golden Dawn in England. Hitler also adopted the idea of fighting the communists, because the communists were just about ready to take over Germany. There were not Greys around in large numbers but they were there. The Germans were involved with alien technology. They had one version with electromagnetic drive. They had jet aircraft in 1943. They had nuclear weapons but Hitler did not use them. Mind control research was ongoing."
"Are the men in black residents of Earth ?"
The group is an off-world one. They monitor conditions on the planet. They are not physical beings, but they can become solid. "
"What is the actual nature and purpose of the Orion group ?"
"Basically, the purpose of the Orion group is enslavement and conquest. Their objective is to locate certain individuals who vibrate in resonance with their own vibrational complex and manipulate them. There is a concept called spiritual entropy, which apparently causes them to experience constant disintegration of their social memory complexes. They do follow the Law of One but observe free will according to service to self. Those on the enslaved planet then disseminate the attitudes and philosophy, which is service to self. These individuals become the "elite". Through the elite, the attempt begins to create a condition whereby the remainder of the planetary entities is enslaved by their free will."
"That seems like what is happening on the planet right now, especially in the United States."
"Why don't they just come down in force instead of using the back door, as it were ?"
"Well, they could. A mass landing would create a loss of polarization due to the infringement on the free will of the planet. If the planet were then conquered and became part of the Empire, the free will would then be reestablished. The way they are doing it is characteristic of the Orion group - to have others do their dirty work for them, including humans. That way, the abridgement of free will is not so obvious. It didn't help the situation when agreements were made with different alien species. It didn't matter that the agreements were made with groupings of humans that did not represent the wishes of the mass consciousness. The technical fact of the agreement allowed a lot of action that was negatively polarized. The Orion group specifically targets civilizations before they become a social memory complex."
"What does it mean to have a society with a social memory ?"
"Well, a social complex consisting of individual entities becomes a social memory complex when it adopts one orientation or seeking in a specific direction. When this happens, the group memory that was not available to individuals becomes known. The advantage of a social memory complex is the relative lack of distortion."
"What does polarization mean for an individual entity ?"
"Generally, entities can have little or no polarization, positive polarization or negative polarization. A positively polarized entity will select a path embodying service to others. An entity choosing negative polarization would focus on service to self. A negative polarization involves the elements of control and repression. For example, a negatively polarized entity would seek separation from and control over others by sexual means and have the idea of power as an end. The negatively oriented entity will program for maximum separation from and control over all entities which it perceives as being other than itself."
"How are the cultural states of mind organized ? How do they fill the needs of the Orion group and the Brotherhood ?"
"Well, start with the prime factor of body identification. The society promotes the concept of "you are your body", which results in fear, especially fear of "death", which is tied in with the idea of physical pain. Combine this with religious doctrine and various cultural ideologies, and you have a very fertile ground for manipulation. There is also promotion of identification with the personality and ego. The ego is culturally conditioned to a reactionary state, which is encouraged, by media and literature to focus on the elements of security, sensation and power. Under these circumstances, individuals are basically disemboweled and blind. In terms of cultural activity, individuals are put in a position where they spend most of their time dealing with "self preservation", "self-gratification", and "self-definition". These functions are basically left hemisphere related. The ego structure often becomes fragmented into "partial selves", making the problem even worse. What is missing is the love of truth, life, and the creator that we are all a part of. The idea is to transform "self-preservation" into right action, self-gratification" into right feeling, and "self-definition" into right thought. This is not probable in the Orion based culture in which we reside if the missing elements are not introduced. What will help to introduce it is the quickening of the vibrational resonance as we move into the fourth density, and what we are seeing around us is the desperation of the negative forces as they grapple for position and control. The alien agendas are beyond secret government manipulation, and at this time they are very worried. That is why the mind control technology has been developed and implemented - to make sure that they can try and preserve control over the population."