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The Clone Conspiracy: Royal and Presidential Clones

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posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 01:38 AM
This Star Trek episode ("Rightful Heir," 1993) is about a past leader being cloned & used to hijack the government. It gives seemingly accurate info about cloning & mind/memory downloads.

"The episode Moore wrote ... revealed the High Priests' plot to clone Kahless and install him as the true leader of the Klingons."

"The clone of Kahless the Unforgettable was created by the clerics of Boreth in 2369 using DNA from the Knife of Kirom. The clerics wished to give the impression it was the real Kahless, who had returned from Sto-vo-kor to once again lead his people. When Worf visited the planet Boreth, the clone of Kahless appeared to him..."

"...Worf demands an explanation from Koroth, the High Priest of the Boreth Temple, who disconsolately replies that Kahless isn’t a resurrection, only a clone of the original..."

"The priests used Kahless' original genetic material to create a clone. All of his memories were actually programmed in from the sacred texts or from personal information the priests had."

"He and Torin used an organic sample of the original Kahless to create a clone, one in which they imprinted "memories" so even the clone would believe."

posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 06:34 AM
Thanks folks for your helpful contributions. I'll reply to all, because I can sense a convergence of vision.

Regarding the shift of humanity from one state to another, whether original or not. This may well be true, we are capable of fundamental modification of our mental patterns as well as different polarization of emotional and spiritual states.

It should be important here to clarify what we might term GOD and distinguish between various historical and religious references to either Gods or a single universal God Mind which created all.

We can assume that we - Earth's human species - may well have been created by both of these Gods. As living beings, we stem from GOD, but due to our likely genetic "tweaking" in ancient history, we may also have been interfered with by Gods who usurped the GOD status as our creators.

For example, if I cloned Albert Einstein in a laboratory, I would have a heck of a lot of nerve if I took advantage of my technological and knowledge advantage to control him by claiming I am GOD almighty. This is presumably what might have been done to humanity in the past,

If we were created by Gods (other 'non human' entities) as a slave race, then it stands to reason that they would have dumbed us down by preventing the awakening of many of our genetic predispositions and potentials, resulting in our using only a fraction of our brain, for example. It also is logical that they would have ensured their enhanced control over our minds and lives, by claiming to be our Gods.

They were obviously mightier than us, but even being allmighty doesn't make you the Creator of the Universe. The status of creator of a 'freak species' we call humanity should be enough credit given. So I will agree that we may well be such a freak species, with considerable design flaws and embedded dysfunctions. If so, then the idea that catastrophies would force adjustments of such a measure that our genetics evolves and our feature set becomes enhanced. Sort of like a firmware and/or software upgrade. But this is just one hypothesis among others.

However, there are a number of parameters of analysis in this thread which seem to converge in a similar direction. These are:

- Cloned leaders are most often issued from the DNA of former representatives of Royal Bloodlines;

- Secret Societies obviously aware of and probably aparty to this cloning process can trace their roots to the ancient Egyptian occult and hermetic Brotherhood of the Serpent;

- Intelligence Agencies tributary to the Bloodline Illuminati Elites are also aware and probably aparty to theis cloning process, their roots are older yet than the oldest profession ever;

- Numerous researchers from Laurence Gardner to David Icke state that the Holy Grail is not a 'Merovingian Bloodline' going back to Christ, but is a "Reptilian hybrid Bloodline" going back to alien entities;

- Illuminati Bloodliners are involved in satanism, the cult of a dragon-like Lucifer, and engage in ritual human sacrifice with blood letting and consumption of human fluids;

- Hybrid reptilian 'Shapeshifters' are said to need their Chalice of human blood in order to maintain a human appearance and not revert to a dominant reptilian appearance;

- Other than Mass Hysteria continuing for thousands of years, no other plausible explanation can be given for human sacrifice and torture unless one believes that we all have such a perverse nature;

- The ruling Elite has operated through Royal Bloodlines obsessed with their genetic purity which, in view of current scientific knowledge, is usually of a more flawed genetic heritage than most commoners;

- Even leaders of other types of governments, such as democratically elected public representatives, are often Cloned from this same Royal genetic DNA;

- Freemasonry uses secret society mechanisms and hierarchies to support this hidden agenda, and those above the 33rd degree must be from these Bloodlines, and they join in their practices and cult of Lucifer;

- Royal Bloodlines are officially at the head of Freemasonry;

- Historically Royal Bloodlines initiated other Secret Societies such as the Order of the Garter or Louis XIV's Company of the Holy Sacrement;

- There is at minimum an Alien presence / UFO visitation cover-up or manipulation by these same parties;

- Increasing shapeshifting has been recently detected by professional quality top of the line TV studio high definition digital cameras;

- More and more witnesses to secret society sacrificial rituals with shapeshifting attendees of Royal Bloodlines or Cloned Leader DNA are being outed;

- The 'Inhumanity' of their centuries of bloodthirsty rule are becoming widely debated and contested worldwide;

- Project Bluebeam may be soon implemented, as intended to simulate an Alien Attack and then present the 100% Reptilian Dracos as our saviors, and the Hybrid Royal Bloodlines as our logical Rulers.

Please note, I would NOT have mentioned anything seeming so fantastic as Reptilians in this analysis - had I not been forced to confront this Reality in person, and in shock discover that it isn't just something out there in people's minds, on the Internet. Even without accepting their existence, there is enough to establish strong links between the Clone Conspiracy and some sort of unusual parameter of Royal DNA to cause us to ask questions. To know what to expect more precisely in Illuminati behavior and game plans, it is also important to not fail to integrate to the analysis what we may know of their genetic roots and their allegiances.

Some have mentioned that the Illuminati and Royal Bloodlines - hybrid 'people' to stretch the meaning of that word - have their own agenda, one distinct from that of their other half - the Repts. But we must not imagine that their human side has won over. Everything points to the contrary. They betrayed their brethren on either side, and even betray one another - history shows this most clearly. They are NOT human but a breed of treacherous beings aiming at total control and destruction of our freedoms and our souls.

So we must heighten the pressure to ensure that this CONSPIRACY is outed and that we might reveal for all to see that Satanist Pedophile Hybrid and Cloned from Hybrid Bloodliners are ruling the Earth and preparing for our further enslavement and oppression.


posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 02:23 PM

Originally posted by Getsmart

We can assume that we - Earth's human species - may well have been created by both of these Gods. As living beings, we stem from GOD, but due to our likely genetic "tweaking" in ancient history, we may also have been interfered with by Gods who usurped the GOD status as our creators.

*Nope, sorry, another unnecessary distraction. There is no need for 'god/s' for this to occur....rather, I see 'god/s' as a construct by those who wish to control us.

Life without 'god' is free, and far from cold and dark. As soon as 'god' enters the equation we doubt ourselves, have fears and do unspeakable acts in his name.

I can 'buy' the concept of 'extraterrestrials' posing as what we would call 'gods' but by no means do I trust that there is anything like a 'universal consciousness' or 'creator'.

Maybe, just maybe 'our' concept of 'good' and 'evil' are totally different from 'theirs' and thus both sides believe they are in the right?

I mean, we, as a species are not actually that 'good' as we have proven time and time again.

We like to pay lip-service to the 'noble concept' of good but we actually don't do anything to make it real.

Oh, and I'm an atheist, just for the record.

Regarding the 'perverse nature', I feel we ALL have the capability. My Lai, well, any act of war and destruction and state-sanctioned murder. We are inheritors of violence.

[edit on 25-4-2010 by aorAki]

posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 02:23 PM
double post sorry

[edit on 25-4-2010 by aorAki]

posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 02:53 PM

Originally posted by aorAki
*Nope, sorry, another unnecessary distraction. There is no need for 'god/s' for this to occur....rather, I see 'god/s' as a construct by those who wish to control us.

I am absolutely convinced that there is a Creator God - the Source of consciousness, energy, matter, etc. We are like droplets of water in the ocean. A part of this greater Being, but not the Being Itself.

Life without 'god' is free, and far from cold and dark. As soon as 'god' enters the equation we doubt ourselves, have fears and do unspeakable acts in his name.

People commit unspeakable horrors in the Name of Science. The daily torture of animals is condoned & even encouraged if it is in the Name of Science. Please read the discussion between Voltaire & Descartes about animals, & then decide which one is the more humane. (Just for the record, I cannot STAND Descartes. I think he was an incredibly evil "scientist.")

I can 'buy' the concept of 'extraterrestrials' posing as what we would call 'gods' but by no means do I trust that there is anything like a 'universal consciousness' or 'creator'.

So, where do you think this consciousness comes from?

Maybe, just maybe 'our' concept of 'good' and 'evil' are totally different from 'theirs' and thus both sides believe they are in the right?

This is true. There are different beings posing as humans, & they have their own philosophies & morals. Some think it's perfectly ok to torture another being to death if it suits them, just for an example.

I mean, we, as a species are not actually that 'good' as we have proven time and time again.

Possibly. Or maybe it's just some members of the species that aren't good.

We like to pay lip-service to the 'noble concept' of good but we actually don't do anything to make it real.

Speak for yourself.

Regarding the 'perverse nature', I feel we ALL have the capability. My Lai, well, any act of war and destruction and state-sanctioned murder. We are inheritors of violence.

Speak for yourself.

posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 04:16 PM
Well, of course I'm speaking for myself and it wasn't a personal attack

In saying that we ALL have the capacity for extreme acts of violence I don't mean to imply that we all allow it to come to the fore.

I don't believe there is a Universal consciousness, just a whole lot of different branes (uh...brains
) trying to make sense of things as best they can.

Yes, Scientists can do unspeakable things just as the religious can. It's a Human trait that, thankfully, hasn't manifested actively in me!

There MAY be different beings posing as Humans, but we don't need to use them as an excuse for our own unspeakable acts.

I was using 'we' and 'us' in general terms and I still think that fits. Sure, as with anything there are outliers that go against the status quo. No offence was intended.

It's still an interesting thread and there has been some really cool research done by some contributors. I'm not trying to belittle it, I'm just stating MY position.

posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 05:00 PM

Originally posted by aorAki
In saying that we ALL have the capacity for extreme acts of violence I don't mean to imply that we all allow it to come to the fore.

I don't think that's true. Some of us are not capable of extreme acts of violence. Some of us are more prone to quite the opposite, actually.

I don't believe there is a Universal consciousness, just a whole lot of different branes (uh...brains
) trying to make sense of things as best they can.

So, if there's no connection, then how do you explain things like the 100 monkeys theory, pre-cognition, or other psychic ability?

There MAY be different beings posing as Humans, but we don't need to use them as an excuse for our own unspeakable acts.

An excuse? No. An explanation. If someone is a dark entity that is posing as a human, it stands to reason that that person will exhibit character traits that are characteristic of that entity's "race." Similarly, another "soul" who is a good soul of the Light will act in accordance with its race's standard of conduct. A Light being isn't going to torture someone to death for fun whereas an evil entity would delight in someone else's pain & suffering. It's just the nature of the beast... JMO

[edit on 25-4-2010 by someotherguy]

posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 05:31 PM
I didn't mean to derail this thread ( and I hope I haven't). I could U2U you with my replies rather than deviate the course of this thread?

This also illustrates problems with accepting theories such as this, because we all come from different backgrounds with different (same same but different) world views there are some things we need to agree to disagree about without affecting the general proposition, which (with some difficulty) I can accept.

Much like you (I guess) I'm trying to make sense of this World as best I can.

posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 08:46 PM
It's not derailing the thread. Discussing the dark entities that are behind agendas such as cloning past leaders to manipulate humans is on topic. I think the OP would agree w/ that

posted on May, 2 2010 @ 03:53 PM
Hi fellow ATSers,

You're quite right there. I'm pretty much between both of your visions of the problem set of cosmic proportions. God entity if we think of the life forces. If only looking at the physical encoding of biological genetics there is a vast majority of data which is common to all beings. Only small variants make us become what we are and not something which would seem entirely different.

So as far as Clones are concerned, this means that they only require very minute tweaking of their genetics in order to resemble 'what' they look like. Whether they are actually Really that entity is subject of an entirely different debate, because this only takes into account their physical makeup.

Brushing far too close against the Illuminati has shown me that there are a number of factors to contend with when analyzing the Clone Conspiracy.

A. The use of hybrid or otherwise bred genetics from Royal Bloodlines for purposes which we suspect to be either 'demonic possession' or hosting of alien entities;

B. Extremely destructive and Evil behavior which can range from psychological torture to pedophile rape ending in human sacrifice;

C. Socially embedded groups of such 'individuals' into high society families, intelligence agencies, freemasonry and other secret societies;

D. Coordinated control of the world's nations through hidden slavery using pre-programmed choices and fiscal or administrative penalties for the exercise of freedom;

E. Joint operations to fuse these Illuminati "Nation Farms" into a Global New World Order with direct feudal and dictatorial control over our minds and bodies;

F. Preparatons for mass genocide accompanied with the design and engineering of a "New Society" peopled with genetically programmed CLONES serving as technicians or slave labor for Bloodline Illuminati families;

G. A distinct connection with Reptilian Aliens episodically present on Earth at least since the beginning of human history as witnessed in ancient texts, scriptures, mythology, epic tales, legends, oral traditions and historical accounts.

I won't say where GOD fits into all this, if at all, but it would be helpful whatever our beliefs to consider that the concept of a single entity, force, cosmic 'being' at the source of life, matter and energy would be substantially different to humanoid entities with exceptional powers over physical matter or our perceptions and mental state.

The only reason I mentioned either the greater GOD or the lesser pseudo Gods was because it helped try to decypher why many religions and myths tend to mention in the plural Gods come from the sky with great powers and who just happened to demand that mankind serve them and venerate them, as well as provide sacrificial victims.

This is useful to consider in terms of its lasting influence, given that today's Illuminati satanists continue without abetting to ritually murder children as well as adults. The blood sacrifice is evocative of what is consumed, when it isn't flesh. Torture to generate hormonal substances such as adrenal-chrome is not considered to be supercillious or excessive and tales of what extremeties this can reach isn't for the faint of heart.

The CLONES found today in positions of leadership should not surprise us any more than yesteryear when members of Royal Bloodlines attained high positions of power, wealth and influence. The same holds true now as ever, with only the illusory veneer of a pretended quasi democracy and delusions of public rule bringing a zest of humor to the tragic masquerade of our human imprisonment.

There has evidently been a lasting Control Matrix of human society throughout the centuries, and it has reached beyond geographic and cultural barriers. The only thing preventing a seemless integration of all the planet into a single world society with absolute rule is that there seem to be several clans fighting it out for the total power this represents.

Furthermore, there has been a gradual but accelerating awakening of much of humanity's masses, with increasing awareness of the inconsistencies between word and action from those using authority to rule us. The logic that used to act as a "saving grace", helping us to mask our eyes and veil our face - no longer works. Effectively, we can no longer pretend that it is just that way because "somebody is doing it to make money" or "they're just unjust" or "they have the wrong political vision" or "this is a lousy country and things must be better elsewhere". Poeple now take note that we share a global condition as exploited possessons of our lords and masters hiding behind government administrations and fiscal stratagems.

The issue of "the Gods" from elsewhere comes into play when we envisage who might have been pulling the strings for so very long in so many places. Possibly just regular Joe-six-pack humanoids. But this is hardly likely a proposition given the variety of regions, religions, regimes, races and realities confronted with the same excesses of destruction and oppression.

So, not wanting to influence anyone else's ideas or perceptions of what is behind this penitentiary existance, my take on the matter is that some force, entity, beings, presence, has had a persistant and lasting influence on the human condition for millenia. I prefer to call them Demons than Gods when you see what has come of their stewardship. And the masonic and other prison helpers who serve them are little more than servants of this demonic power, explaining their veneration of the masonic god Lucifer.

I think that the Clone Conspiracy research will help lift the Iron Curtain they have shuttered down our minds with and give us the opportunity to take stalk of just how desperate our condition is at this time. However, it has always been desperate, so noticing it at last in an era of transition and crisis might enable a revolt of the Slaves, of a more successful outcome than that of Spartacus which Roman propaganda conveyed to dissuade us from rebelling.

While the CLONES acting as our heads of government are subject to great concern because they make it glaringly evident that our States have been usurped and we have been vehemently fooled, they are only a part of the greater picture of running the human dominion to exploit us as "human resources" or so many lumps of coal to be burned up in combustion.

The more immediate and reachable problem is that of the Illuminati who are illegitimate bloodliners, and their Royal brethren who are running the show from behind the scenes in most walks of life. They are an extremely dangerous and remarkably disgusting bunch who even loathe one another given such distasteful predispositions.

The next step of investigation would be the intervention, during their ritual ceremonies, of dimensional 'demonic entities' and or Alien beings who partake and possibly coordinate the entire WATCHERS system of the All Seeing Eye which has subjugated us for eons. How to reckon with such disembodied or physically horrid beings of distinctly MALEVOLENT nature is another path we will have to take, and discover what measures and methods work best and provide the most satisfying results to send them back to Hell whence they came.


posted on May, 8 2010 @ 11:29 AM

Important Revelation ! The Original Clones were called THE HOMUNCULUS

Dear friends at ATS.

I have the very mitigated honor of announcing that a major breakthrough has surfaced in explaining who and what might be behind the Royal and Presidential Clone Conspiracy. It is apparent that this plot was fomented for occult demomic control reasons by the Mystery Religion promoted and furthered by the Ordo Templis Orientis, of which Aleister crowley was the main leader in the early 20th century when this was written in 1914.

The Secret Rituals of the O.T.O. of which Aleister Crowley was Papus, are an important piece in the puzzle explaining the Clone Conspiracy. We may now know, both technically and theosophically, the origins of Cloning for Demonic purposes.

This treaty of the Rituals of the O.T.O. reads as a guidebook to creating wCloned babies for possession and use as Demonic Vessels. Here is the text:

The Secret Instructions of the Seventh, Eight and Ninth Degrees OF THE HOMUNCULUS

A Secret Instruction of the Ninth Degree


Baphomet Xth degree O.T.O. Rex Summus Sanctissimus [Holiest Highets King] to all His Holy and Royal Brethren of the X° upon earth, and to His Viceroys in all the Britains, Greeting and Peace. Under the seal of the Obligation of the IX° CAPITULUM PRIMUM

1. The homunculus is a living being in form resembling man, and possessing those qualities of man which distinguish him from beasts, namely intellect and power of speech, but neither begotten and born after the manner of human generation, nor inhabited by a human soul.

2. Thus, supposing that the re-incarnating Ego enters the foetus at the third month of gestation, it would not serve to remove such foetus from the mother, and cause it to live; for it is already human. But a foetus of two months might become homunculus.

3. A human being can only become homunculus if obsessed by a demon to such an extent that the human soul is irrevocably expelled to the same degree as in death, and freed utterly so that it seeks a new tenement, and is cut off absolutely from the old. But even this, rare as it must be except in lunacy, involves an extension of the natural meaning of the term homunculus.

4. In the third chapter we discuss Our method of producing that which, if not a true homunculus, at least serves all proper purposes thereunto pertinent.


1. The classical method of making the homunculus is to take the fertilized ova of a woman and to reproduce as closely as may be, without the uterus, the normal conditions of gestation therein.

2. For: in the case of ectopic gestation, it is clearly possible for the ovum to develop for a considerable period; and a child of 4½ months weighing nine ounces, has been known to live for over an hour after delivery. These considerations encourage us. Life is indefinitely adaptable, and life originally appeared in a planet bacteriologically sterilized by temperatures of many thousands of degrees Centigrade. There is therefore every reason to hope that, starting as we do with the proper First Matter, we may be able to devise conditions of its growth in a ‘culture’, just as we have done in the case of the simpler organisms. As it is written ‘With God all things are possible’; and is not our Motto ‘Deus est Homo’?

3. The White Tincture of the Alchemists was in this connection a replica of the Liqor Amnii, and their Red Tincture a substitute for Blood.

4. Certain truly magical aids to the physiological experiments indicated above have always been held worthy. The Adept must, however, be left to devise these, as in so small a treatise we have no place for a subject so starry vast as this.


1. We assume that Our Brethren have well studied Our Epistle De Arte Magica Secundum Ritum Gradus Nonae O.T.O. k.t.l.

2. Before introducing our own method of making the homunculus, let us refer to (A) the theory of Incarnation and (B) the method of Evocation invented by us in An VI Sol in Aries (April 1910 E.V.).

A. For about three months the foetus is empty of any soul. It then attracts an Ego of such a nature as (a) its own Karma i.e. naturae and tendency, and (b) the Karma of the Ego, combine to make viable. If a suitable combination is not found, the result is either miscarriage, still-birth or the birth of an idiot.

In the last case the foetus has been obsessed by some dumb non-human spirit, or by some human spirit of exceptional Karma. By Karma We mean always nature and tendency, and no more, although we use these words in a large sense to include all causes moral as well as physical. But we include not any conceptions of ‘Justice’ and the like in these.

If this be accepted, then clearly it is possible that a magician might find means (a) to bar the gate against any Human Ego, and (b) to cause the Incarnation of some non-human being, such as an elemental or Planetary spirit, of a nature fitted to some desired end. Thus one eloquent, from an incarnation of Tiriel, or one bold in war, from the indwelling of Graphiel.

And these will be his chief difficulties (a) that Man (even when discarnate) is so spiritually powerful, that to bar him from his urgent need is a task of colossal awe; and (b) it is necessary to choose a spirit suitable to the foetus. Thus if the babe that is to be were by reason of physical heredity sluggish, melancholy and weak, it would be but nugatory to invoke into it a spirit of Nakhiel or Raphael or Haniel or Anael.

B. The human soul is all but inexpugnable; yet We have succeeded in the temporary expulsion of a weak and wandering soul, and its replacement. For example, We once supplanted the soul of a Calibancreature, a certain deformed and filthy abortion without moral character, named Victor Neuburg, by a soul of Isis, by a soul of Mars and by a soul of Jupiter in turn, so that this quasi-human shape, not being a poet, did yet write verses goodly and great in praise of Isis; and not being a prophet, did yet foretell most accurately the wars which even now devastate the earth; and not being generous or wealthy did yet for a season support many dependants on his bounty. And this we did with no elaboration of thought, no Persian apparatus, no weariness or trouble at all.

Now then do We mark down the Means devised by Us Baphomet for the making of the homunculus.

I. Take a suitable woman willing to aid thee in this Work. Explain to her fully the precautions to be taken and the manner of life necessary. Let her horoscope be, if possible, suited to the nature of the homunculus proposed; as, to have an incarnate Spirit of Benevolence let Jupiter be rising in Pisces with good aspects of Sol, Venus, and Luna; and with no notable contrary dispositions; or so far as may be possible.

II. Take now a man suitable; if convenient, thyself or some other Brother Initiate of the Gnosis; and so far as may be, let his horoscope also harmonize with the nature of the work.

III. Let the man and woman copulate continuously (but especially at times astrologically favourable to thy working) and that in a ceremonial manner in a prepared temple, whose particular arrangement and decoration is also suitable to thy work. And let them will ardently and constantly the success of thy work denying all other desires. Thus proceed until impregnation results.

IV. Now let the woman be withdrawn and carried away to a place prepared. And this place should be a great desert; for in such do rarely wander any human souls seeking incarnation.

Further let a great circle be drawn and consecrated to the sphere of the work; and let banishing formulae of the Sephiroth, and especially of Kether, be done often, even unto five or seven times on every day. Outside which great circle let the woman never go. Let the mind of the woman be strengthened to resist all impression, except of the spirit desired. Let the incense of this spirit be burnt continually; let his colours, and his only, be displayed; and let his shapes, and his only, appear so far as may be in all things. Further let him be most earnestly and continually invoked in a temple duly dedicated, the woman being placed in a great triangle, while thou from the circle dost perform daily the proper form of Evocation to Material Appearance. And let this be done twice every day, once while she is awake and once while she is asleep.

V. And let the quickening be a feast of the Reception of the Spirit. Henceforth ye may omit the Banishings.

VI. And during the rest of the Pregnancy let there be the Charge to the Spirit (so that the whole period of all this work is as it were an expansion in terms of life of the Art-formula of Evocation) in this manner. Let the woman be constantly educated by words and by books and by pictures of a nature consonant, so that all causes may work together for the defence and sustenance of the Spirit, and for its true development.

VII. And let the delivery of the woman be retarded or advanced so far as possible to secure a rising sign proper to such a child.

VIII. The child being born must be dedicated, purified and consecrated, according to the formulae of the planet, element, or sign, of which it is the Incarnation.

IX. Now then thou hast a being of perfect human form, with all powers and privileges of humanity, but with the essence of a particular chosen force, and with all the knowledge and might of its sphere; and this being is thy creation and dependent; to it thou art Sole God and Lord, and it must serve thee. Therefore the whole of all that part of Nature whereunto it belongs is thy dominion; and thou art Magister Octinomous.

X. Be wary, Brother Adept, and choose well thine object, and spare not pain and labour in the Beginning of thy Operation; for to have corn of so subtle a seed is a great thing once; to achieve it twice were the mark of a primal energy so marvellous, that We doubt whether there be one man born in ten times ten thousand years that hath such wonder-power.

XI. Now the Father of All prosper ye, my Brethren that dare lay hold upon the Phallus of the All-One, and call forth its streams to irrigate your fields. And may the spirit of Prometheus hearken, and the Spirit of Alcides aid, your Work.

Farewell, therefore; in the name of the Secret Master Blessing and Peace from Us Baphomet X° O.T.O. Given from the throne of Ireland, Iona and all the Britains in the Sanctuary of the Gnosis this day of Sol. An X 6 in ^ 26° 40' 49" 9 in & 5° 4' 24" (Noon Sept. 20 1914 E.V.)

This goes to show that it isn't so presumptious, as it may have initially appeared at the beginning of this thread, to consider both the relation between demonic possession and the use of cloned leaders, as well as the fact that cloning has been occuring for far longer than the mainstream media or official science wish to admit.

We now know who is at least partially responsible for what we are today witnessing, the demonization of human society by a Satanic Coup d'Etat engineered by Secret Societies at the service of Baphomet, aka as Lucifer.


posted on May, 9 2010 @ 03:15 AM
I'm definitely familiar with the concept of non-humans incarnating as human, but I'd never heard the term "HOMUNCULUS" before today. Earlier, I was out w/ some people & one just mentioned them out of the blue. My jaw dropped b/c the timing was just so... odd. Apparently, the concept is pretty routine for Europeans (at least Russians).

posted on May, 10 2010 @ 04:56 AM
Hi Someotherguy,

I had never stumbled upon that term before discovering and posting this. I've tried to upload the document from which it is sourced and encounter glitches in Scribd which prevent registering the document. I shall try again and upon success link to it.

Apparently this process refers to what Crowley later called a Magick Child by the Ritual evocation of Demons to possess an unborn baby as in the case of his daughter Barbara Bush who was conceived during Sex Magick rituals. Crowley also said that Adolf Hitler was also his Magick Child having had a Demonic Possession "Rebirth" during occult ritual ceremonies.

This is probably one of the most important clues to understanding the Royal and Presidential Clone Conspiracy. The Illuminati satanists were already adept at orchestrating the demonic possession of Royalty using genetically predisposed hybrid bloodlines and performing black magic ceremonial rituals to invoke demons.

Cloning has simplified two of the major parameters of this demonic control of Earth. It made the supply of hybrid bloodline candidates for possession unlimited in time and variety. It also helped not having a soul inside the body to expel prior to using it as a host for a demonic Alien or Dimensional non human entity.


posted on May, 11 2010 @ 02:23 AM
Heard an interesting suggestion recently about your rept story, GS. Do you think it's possible that most people saw that "guy" as perhaps a big basketball player or something while you were able to see him for what he really was?

posted on May, 11 2010 @ 05:36 AM

Originally posted by someotherguy
Heard an interesting suggestion recently about your rept story, GS. Do you think it's possible that most people saw that "guy" as perhaps a big basketball player or something while you were able to see him for what he really was?

That was my first idea. I cannot however imagine how people wouldn't be floored by the vertiginous height. From a distance that is what he looked like. Also, the sportswear - from shoes to sweat clothes - made him appear to be an over-sized athlete. Maybe his tall size in the dark of night had people steering clear of him, in case he wasn't a friendly guy? Having spent years examining facial features, and not being afraid of much of anything, I probably pushed my curiosity more than others did. True, his hood covered the top of his head and the sides of his face, and it was only when the street light reflected off his glistening greenish brown leathery skin that frontal light that I saw his face with a fairly flat nose and very protruding jawline.

This illustration is the closest one I've found regarding what he looked like, with some noteworthy differences which I shall detail.

3D Rendering of Reptilian

First, a general comment: hey didn't have that long neck, his head sitting directly atop his bulky shoulders. He looked far more serious, with larger leathering scales. His face was far more impressive atop an extremely powerful humanoid body. Also, his eyes were approximately this size in proportion to his other features, but they glowed dark amber red which made quite a strong impression. I had never before seen eyes glow and didn't know they could.

His nose was not as long and straight, but wider and shorter. His jaw line went a bit lower and I wasn't able to see his mouth clearly. The hood of his sweat jacket prevented me from seeing his forehead. Here is a rendition of approximate height, respective to a tall onlooker measuring about 6'7" (2m).

Height reference comparison

The above was only posted to illustrate his size, he didn't look like that at all other than the tapered chest. You will now realize why I said that the small trees nearby looked like bushes. He was very inordinately large and a good bit more muscular with broader shoulders than in the above rendition. Before seeing him closer I thought he was ill with "gigantism" but he had none of the usual deformities associated with that disease.

Here is one which looks more accurate, except that his eyes were large and more rounded, as in the first rendition. Also the hood wasn't sagging because it was not a woven fabric but made of more elastic sweat jacket material. In this image the scales are more accurate in size.

Hooded Draco

I have to date spoken in person to 3 people only about this, the first who runs an Alien visitors UFO website didn't comment, so it appears he is at minimum skeptical and more likely doesn't believe a word. The second was my brother, who knows that in all of our life I've never lied. He thinks I must have had my brain programmed to see it by mind controllers. The third thinks I hallucinated, and just thought it was real. However, he said this to me in a dimly lit dining room and he seemed far less real to me when telling I hallucinated that than the Rept did when I observed him for several minutes.

I plan to verify the exact date and solicit the aid of a policeman to verify their records and find out if there wasn't an unusual unpublicized blood crime committed right before I saw him. This is because my intuitions are most often smack on target, and it would confirm that my sighting was at a correlated time. Possibly there were police reports made by others that same night attesting to the same sighting...

posted on May, 12 2010 @ 01:34 PM
Checking here for a reply, I had a chance to look at my post and its images.

The first picture looks very artificial, like some sort of creature. The one I saw looked very natural, just with shapes, textures and coloring you never usually see.

The second picture looks like a joke, because it is a cartoon. The head has weird protrusion and it looks nothing like what I saw, neither in demeanor or appearance. It is only a height reference.

The third picture is the least different, but his head it too wide and he looks like some kind of a gator, an animal. The one I saw was very humanoid and seemed to be very "on the ball" and acutely aware of what he was doing and walked with a determined pace. He didn't look dopey like that drawing, but very much in control.


posted on May, 12 2010 @ 01:59 PM
While, in essence, this theory makes a bit of sense, of all the leaders to choose from why the heck would anyone clone Jimmy Carter or Obama? The first dolt was kicked to the curb as soon as Constitutionally possible, and I'm pretty sure the same will happen with his modern-day pseudo clone.

Why not clone good (or at least competent and intelligent) leaders?

posted on May, 13 2010 @ 04:31 AM

Originally posted by Replicator EYD
While, in essence, this theory makes a bit of sense, of all the leaders to choose from why the heck would anyone clone Jimmy Carter or Obama? The first dolt was kicked to the curb as soon as Constitutionally possible, and I'm pretty sure the same will happen with his modern-day pseudo clone.

Why not clone good (or at least competent and intelligent) leaders?

Well, as you can probably imagine, they are more interested in having puppets they can easily control. They don't want real leaders. lol

Was Jimmy Carter cloned? Some think he may have been replaced w/ organic robotoids. Dr. Peter Beter covered that pretty extensively in his audio tapes back in 1979.

GS, I'm just wondering if that thing you saw may have appeared as a human to other people. I'm thinking of "They Live" & how the aliens appeared as normal people unless you had the special glasses on. I'm wondering if it's possible that you could see it for what it really was while others cannot. Of course, it's pure speculation b/c we don't have another witness saying s/he just saw a tall basketball player. lol

posted on May, 13 2010 @ 09:34 AM

Originally posted by someotherguy
GS, I'm just wondering if that thing you saw may have appeared as a human to other people. I'm thinking of "They Live" & how the aliens appeared as normal people unless you had the special glasses on. I'm wondering if it's possible that you could see it for what it really was while others cannot. Of course, it's pure speculation b/c we don't have another witness saying s/he just saw a tall basketball player. lol

Hi Someotherguy,

Thanks for your interest in my experience. From my other contributions at ATS and elsewhere you can tell I am fairly rigorous and demanding in terms of pursuing paths of inquiry and ferreting out the truth in the midst of lies. So I understand that you'd like to get to the bottom of my testimony regarding the Reptilian entity which I saw. This isn't as essential for me, because I did see it with my own eyes, so I don't have to establish the reality of that experience for myself. Yet I need to go down a far steeper path, which is to examine with far greater interest and thoroughness any evidence which might corroborate what I witnessed.

I still keep open the possibility that I had been "mind controlled" and hypnotized to experience what I saw. But I can't note any interruption in my experience from leaving my car, walking down the street, seeing the being, and rushing home to my building to tell my significant other what had just happened. Nonetheless, hypnosis can use your mind to trick you into believing something as real when it isn't. So this remains a distinct possibility, although the experience was so fully detailed and crisp in its reality that I find it hard to believe that it was suggestion induced. I was very consciously examining the entity while observing him, outlining and analyzing every aspect I could while he walked in my direction getting gradually closer. This doesn't sound like an "induced experience" to me, given my heightened intellectual engagement during the incident.

I know very well the movie "They Live" and would possibly agree with you except for the fact that this was very late at night when there were few people around to witness it. So maybe he didn't need to visually morph ? I certainly didn't notice any morphing, he was from start to beginning, his size and morphology for the several blocks during which I saw him. So while it might or might not be a possibility, it would be speculative to wonder whether he had some sort of visual cloaking going on at some time or other. My problem isn't why didn't others see him, but that "Oh my gosh, these things actually EXIST ?" and its implications for my perception of our human reality as a whole. The circumstances surrounding the incident took a back seat to the impact of that realization.

While I've heard people say that such Reptilians don't have genders, this one was so warrior like that I can only call it male. It seemed so aggressive as to redefine what I knew of aggression. A very terrible energy emanated from him. It wasn't just physical meanness, it was psychic or telepathic, as you'll have it. It was pure Evil intent, and very much about going to its business at hand in a most determined fashion. You didn't want to get in its way.

So for me they possibly exist, and why did I see him and other didn't ? Was I unconsciously guided there, at that time and place, exactly at the moment where he would stroll by - in order to further pursue my inquiry into the Clone Conspiracy and its potential Alien components, which were otherwise a very secondary consideration ?


posted on May, 13 2010 @ 10:05 AM

Originally posted by Replicator EYD
While, in essence, this theory makes a bit of sense, of all the leaders to choose from why the heck would anyone clone Jimmy Carter or Obama?

Hi Replicator EYD,

The following quotes address the issue of cloning both Reagan and Carter, as discussed in earlier thread pages. I expect it will leave you with more questions than answers, but isn't that what research is all about ?

These exerpts were sourced from the Alien Shift website, and are posted here as they might pertain to what is behind the Clone Conspiracy.

Alien Shift Website

"Would you consider the secret government the Fourth Reich ? "

"It's hard to say. My understanding of it is that the secret government is not connected with the Nazis but with world bankers, old money and what's called the "black nobility". These were the blue-bloods of Europe. They actually did have blue blood, and it was not hemoglobin based but copper based. They were semi-human. There are still to this day, some animal species in South America that have copper based blood systems. There was a problem with hemophilia, and not because of intermarrying. The problem was that they started to marry outside of the copper based blood system. Hemoglobin and copper systems don't mix. That's where the laws against marrying commoners originated."

"What about these synthetic humans ?"

"Human cloning was developed at the University of Utah at Salt Lake City in 1977. They first aired this on TV as part of a series. They had an alleged human clone on TV that they were interviewing. It didn't talk very well. They showed the original human and the clone. The clone was not all that successful. It took 14 months to generate a fully adult human clone in a tank. It was a two part series. The second part of the series never aired, for obvious reasons. CIA sources have confirmed that it started at the University of Utah. The government has a facility for clones. The first one was built in the Mount Hood area, about sixty miles east of Portland, Oregon. They have other facilities in other locations. Locations must have stable geomagnetic fields and other special characteristics or the cloning process does not work properly. They can replicate them faster now. They have clones of all the major government figures. This is partly for security reasons. it also creates the situation that when someone falls out of favor, they clone the person and kill the original. This kind of thing apparently happens with some frequency."

"There have been allegations by some that Carter and Reagan were replaced."

"Yes. I've heard that, but I have no information that says that it happened. Reagan looked a bit funny after his assassination attempt, particularly after he came out of the hospital."

"It's curious about the cloning facility in Portland. Were there not reports in the 1960's or 70's about people seeing a spitting image of Hitler there ?"

"Yes. it is curious. There isn't any connection that we can establish, but anything is possible. Hitler could have died as late as 1984. I have heard rumors that he was the top director of the Phoenix project, but those rumors were not considered to have any merit by most people. Eichmann was apparently involved at one point until the Israelis got him. A lot of top level Nazi scientists were involved. There was a man called Huntermann who was the associate director of the project. We wondered if there was anybody above him. There was - a complete collection of pure Nazis at the top. The Germans were also involved in work with the Greys and cloning processes."

"Are they Nazis still running things ?"

"I don't know what interconnections they may have today. I have two friends who say opposite things. one says that the Nazis are in charge and the other says that Jewish scientists are in charge. Other people say its MJ-12. Take your pick. I think that they're all involved."

"That's very interesting about the duality of the Germans and the Jews. Recently, we received information that these two groups of entities are originally from one source out there somewhere, and that they were banned to this planet to work out their differences. They have apparently always sought to destroy each other ... and they are still doing it on many levels. Everyone else just has to stand by and put up with it, I guess. it just adds to the mess. Orientation of both groups appears to be negatively oriented toward service to self instead of others. There have been things recently said by abductees that indicate that they were taken to joint Nazi-Alien bases were they had swastikas on the walls. This was within the last two years."

"Do you remember the Reinhold-Schmidt story ? He was a businessman who lived in New Jersey in the 1950's. I finally got a copy of his book. He insisted that one time when he was driving home from work, something went wrong with his car. He was approached by someone and was taken aboard a saucer. All the occupants were dressed in black clothing and talked in German. To him it appeared like they might be Nazis. He wasn't sure but he thought they were. They picked him up by agreement several times thereafter. He began talking about it and he had a visit from government agents who told him to shut up. He insisted. He was picked up and put into treatment in a mental hospital for about four months. When he came out he was a changed man. He died sometime later. Up until he went into the mental hospital, he was insistent on his story. This was approximately 1956. I'm not sure. He was a prominent businessman. It was a sensational story at the time."

The connection between Aleister Crowley, Adolf Hitler and the Bloodline Illuminati / Nazi Connection are discussed next with respect to Nazi genetic research, Alien Contact and Human Cloning.

"There have been some that have said that Hitler was connected into things in terms of the Aryan race and ET's. What is the story behind that ?"

"Well, Hitler spend a lot of time in libraries before his mother died, and he was convinced that the white race was going to be squeezed out of existence in anoth&r 75 years. He decided that he was going to be the defender of the Aryan race. This was back before World War One. He was also relating this to the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, where in the 24th protocol it says that the white race will be destroyed by genetic inter-marriage. He wanted to stop the trend. He became interested in metaphysics. The Dark Side involvement began after a bout with peyote before World War One and his involvement with the Thule Society, which was connected to Aleister Crowley and the Order of the Golden Dawn in England. Hitler also adopted the idea of fighting the communists, because the communists were just about ready to take over Germany. There were not Greys around in large numbers but they were there. The Germans were involved with alien technology. They had one version with electromagnetic drive. They had jet aircraft in 1943. They had nuclear weapons but Hitler did not use them. Mind control research was ongoing."

The following statement is of particular interest to me, given that I actually encountered one myself. In my account of the Man in Black attack against me, detailed in p.13 of this thread, I was stated that having travelled the world over since a child I had developed a knak for guessing people's nationalities. Yet this was a very rare instance in which I couldn't situate where that Man in Black came from. Later he moved with such speed that I could only see more a blur with my peripheral vision, yet he placed the powder in a heap at the exact center of the crown of my head. This should have been incompatible with his precipitated rush out of the train. So where was he from ? My intuition was that he was NOT from the Satanist groups that I had been vehemently opposing in Internet forums.

Man in Black Attack

"Are the men in black residents of Earth ?"

The group is an off-world one. They monitor conditions on the planet. They are not physical beings, but they can become solid. "

The man I saw looked very physical, but it is true that his speed and the coordination of his action made it almost seem as if he slowed our time or sped up his own relation to time. Of course this means that he wouldn't be exactly what we would term HUMAN but he didn't seem to be that different from people I knew, only I couldn't pigeon hole him as I customarily do, and found something like a barrier occulting who he was when trying to tune in to him psychically.

What we have next is a description of the Orion coalition of Aliens including Reptilians. I don't know and can't confirm the relevance or accuracy of any of the following statements, other than notice a fascination with the Orion Constellation among various Occult Mystery Schools and secret societies including higher level Freemasonry in the USA.

"What is the actual nature and purpose of the Orion group ?"

"Basically, the purpose of the Orion group is enslavement and conquest. Their objective is to locate certain individuals who vibrate in resonance with their own vibrational complex and manipulate them. There is a concept called spiritual entropy, which apparently causes them to experience constant disintegration of their social memory complexes. They do follow the Law of One but observe free will according to service to self. Those on the enslaved planet then disseminate the attitudes and philosophy, which is service to self. These individuals become the "elite". Through the elite, the attempt begins to create a condition whereby the remainder of the planetary entities is enslaved by their free will."

"That seems like what is happening on the planet right now, especially in the United States."


"Why don't they just come down in force instead of using the back door, as it were ?"

"Well, they could. A mass landing would create a loss of polarization due to the infringement on the free will of the planet. If the planet were then conquered and became part of the Empire, the free will would then be reestablished. The way they are doing it is characteristic of the Orion group - to have others do their dirty work for them, including humans. That way, the abridgement of free will is not so obvious. It didn't help the situation when agreements were made with different alien species. It didn't matter that the agreements were made with groupings of humans that did not represent the wishes of the mass consciousness. The technical fact of the agreement allowed a lot of action that was negatively polarized. The Orion group specifically targets civilizations before they become a social memory complex."

"What does it mean to have a society with a social memory ?"

"Well, a social complex consisting of individual entities becomes a social memory complex when it adopts one orientation or seeking in a specific direction. When this happens, the group memory that was not available to individuals becomes known. The advantage of a social memory complex is the relative lack of distortion."

"What does polarization mean for an individual entity ?"

"Generally, entities can have little or no polarization, positive polarization or negative polarization. A positively polarized entity will select a path embodying service to others. An entity choosing negative polarization would focus on service to self. A negative polarization involves the elements of control and repression. For example, a negatively polarized entity would seek separation from and control over others by sexual means and have the idea of power as an end. The negatively oriented entity will program for maximum separation from and control over all entities which it perceives as being other than itself."

This brings us to the all important topic of Mind Control, which is not only a part of the use of Cloned Leaders but also an ongoing process to control humanity since eons ago, using organized religions, cultural belief systems and social matrixes to manipulate perceptions and program behavior.

"How are the cultural states of mind organized ? How do they fill the needs of the Orion group and the Brotherhood ?"

"Well, start with the prime factor of body identification. The society promotes the concept of "you are your body", which results in fear, especially fear of "death", which is tied in with the idea of physical pain. Combine this with religious doctrine and various cultural ideologies, and you have a very fertile ground for manipulation. There is also promotion of identification with the personality and ego. The ego is culturally conditioned to a reactionary state, which is encouraged, by media and literature to focus on the elements of security, sensation and power. Under these circumstances, individuals are basically disemboweled and blind. In terms of cultural activity, individuals are put in a position where they spend most of their time dealing with "self preservation", "self-gratification", and "self-definition". These functions are basically left hemisphere related. The ego structure often becomes fragmented into "partial selves", making the problem even worse. What is missing is the love of truth, life, and the creator that we are all a part of. The idea is to transform "self-preservation" into right action, self-gratification" into right feeling, and "self-definition" into right thought. This is not probable in the Orion based culture in which we reside if the missing elements are not introduced. What will help to introduce it is the quickening of the vibrational resonance as we move into the fourth density, and what we are seeing around us is the desperation of the negative forces as they grapple for position and control. The alien agendas are beyond secret government manipulation, and at this time they are very worried. That is why the mind control technology has been developed and implemented - to make sure that they can try and preserve control over the population."

It is interesting that humanity switching from a Mind Controlled "Sheeple" into self-determined autonomous individuals would still be at the forefront of our psycho-spiritual development as a species.

Our controllers - - Alien or Human - - have apparently since the beginning of time succeeded in substituting fear and "self-preservation" for the genuine quest of determining for ourselves what is right from what is wrong in order to do the right thing. We have been led to scratch ourselves where it itches in a perpetual quest for "self-gratification" instead of focusing on what instinctively feels right and true to reveal our path. We have been deluded into engaging in a pointless "self-definition" by normative sociocultural identification, instead of pursuing intellectual and spiritual development by learning, exploring ideas and expanding our horizons.

Before we take back the Earth, we must take back "our selves".


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