Two state solution - please explain, page 1
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reply posted on 26-10-2009 @ 10:02 AM by Rook1545
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Well one of the big reasons that they are complaining about the settlements is that they give a 24 hour notice (if that) to the current occupants of the land, then come in with armored bulldozers, push down the Palestinian buildings, and put their own up. There is no reparation for land ownership, they say, it Israel's land and we can do it if we want.

The people creating the settlements are also not what you would call "Moderate Israelis". They are pretty hardcore. Think of them as frontiersmen from the olden days of North America. They go out, "tame" the area, and that allows for regular folks to move in without problems.

As for the 12% Arab Muslim, how many of those are Palestinian? How would the people of Israel feel if there was a group of Palestinians who came into Israel, took some land and set up shop? They wouldn't like it at all.



reply posted on 26-10-2009 @ 10:46 AM by mattpryor
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I don't really understand the distinction between Israeli Arab Muslims and Palestinians. The only difference as I understand it is that Palestinians are the Arab Muslims that lived in West Bank / Gaza prior to the 1967 war, whereas the 12% I'm referring to lived in Israel before and after 1967.

I guess part of the problem is defining who is a "settler". A lot of Mulsims, from what I've read, consider anyone that lives in Israel to be a settler, it seems to be one of those words that gets used in slogans, like "occupier" and "Zionist". Doesn't do much to clarify the situation for the rest of us.

Then you have the Jewish religious settler movement, who seem to want to build in disputed land just to p*ss the Palestinian Authority off, and the Israeli government doesn't seem to take kindly to this either (I read the other day about the IDF describing "pro-settler" soldiers as traitors) - confusing!

With regards to the bulldozers - they knock down a lot of Jewish homes too, don't they?


reply posted on 26-10-2009 @ 11:14 AM by Moonsouljah
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You're right about Israeli Arabs they are simply Arabs who reside in Israel's borders. They are an interesting and unique component to all of this because they often support Palestine but want the benefits of being in Israel.
To answer your initial question about the double standard, I'd say these Israeli Arabs were there first whereas Jews who would move to a Palestinian state would be migrants.
I personally believe a 2state solution would be good but getting back to 67 borders would be almost impossible. The Palestinians would have to compromise to strike a deal. Then again I'd like to see the Jewish state of Israel disbanded altogether and the creation of a non-ethnic, non-racial, non-religious state predicated on pluralism and tolerance created but Zionism would have to be greatly weakened for this.


reply posted on 26-10-2009 @ 12:14 PM by mattpryor
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Then again I'd like to see the Jewish state of Israel disbanded altogether and the creation of a non-ethnic, non-racial, non-religious state predicated on pluralism and tolerance created but Zionism would have to be greatly weakened for this.


Hmmm - isn't this what Israel was meant to be in the first place, until the invasion by Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Iraq and the problems that ensued?

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