Hoagland's Smoking Gun Pt. II, page 2

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reply posted on 25-10-2009 @ 11:41 PM by Detailed Perfection

reply to post by IgnoreTheFacts

Really? That's the best arguement you could come up with? You don't have time to discuss the topics because You already know the truth, but you're witholding your facts to avoid robbing "us" of the experience of finding it for ourselves!

The same "Us" that you refer too as being ignorant believers that aren't smart enough to comprehend the facts that someone like you could provde.

Little info for you brother .. I am not a believer as you call it. UFO's aren't my religion. I have a degree in Automated Robotics and another degree in Digital Imaging. My thesis and research in college was based on what we now know as the Mars Rovers.

So I am FAR from ignorant or too stupid to understand anything that you could possibly spew out of that closed mind of yours.

The whole reason I am on ATS is to communicate with people like me. People that are open minded to possibilities that are outside of the box.

Being Open Minded is not the same thing as being a die hard zealot gullible enough to believe everything they read as stone cold fact.

If you're so god damned smart, maybe you should try expressing your views with more forethought instead of blatantly shoving your finger in someones face and calling the names to belittle their character and intelligence.

MAYBE then you could envoke someone into doing some of their own research on the subject and taking your point of view of the matter into consideration.

reply posted on 26-10-2009 @ 12:16 AM by Skeptical Ed

Originally posted by CanadianDream420
These are the direct links to "the smoking gun" Moon Cities.

www.enterprisemission.com...

www.enterprisemission.com...

www.enterprisemission.com...

www.enterprisemission.com...

something is in that crater that doesn't look "natural"

The links you provided resulted in:
The website declined to show this webpage

I'd sure like to see what you don't think looks natural.

reply posted on 26-10-2009 @ 12:34 AM by Diplomat

lol @ us being "warned" off the Moon.

I have never found any evidence to back that up, just people "saying" it.

reply posted on 26-10-2009 @ 12:58 AM by fieryjaguarpaw

reply to post by Diplomat

Well I'm not exactly sure what is meant by the person that posted that, but it is interesting that with all the recent discoveries on the Moon of late that the Augustine comission suggests that we don't go to the Moon and if we do it should only be to orbit it (what's the point in that / why bother).

So after we discover that the entire surface of the Moon has water on it and that it could literally be made there daily and now Japan releases pictures of giant holes in an area that is already known for rectangular geometry, Obama's team advises him to stay away... What ever you do, don't go to the Moon...

My point is, the Augustine Commission is warning Obama off of the Moon.

reply posted on 26-10-2009 @ 01:04 AM by amazing

reply to post by fieryjaguarpaw

Agreed. I'm not sure what's going on with the Augustine commission. I see a great benefit to having a base on the moon if for nothing else but to help us get to Mars by way of using less fuel to get going and for observation which would be easier without the atmosphere we have on earth. I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that an alien race could have both thrived and died off millions of years ago and there could be remnants of ancient civilization on both the moon or Mars. Even if that is not the case I think the benefits we would gain from geological studies would be well worth the time.

reply posted on 26-10-2009 @ 01:07 AM by RiotComing

Originally posted by Diplomat
lol @ us being "warned" off the Moon.

I have never found any evidence to back that up, just people "saying" it.

'People saying', huh? How about Neil Armstrong?

A certain professor, who wished to remain anonymous, was engaged in a discussion with Neil Armstrong during a NASA symposium.
Professor: What REALLY happened out there with Apollo 11? Armstrong: It was incredible, of course we had always known there was a possibility, the fact is, we were warned off! (by the Aliens). There was never any question then of a space station or a moon city.
Professor: How do you mean "warned off"?
Armstrong: I can't go into details, except to say that their ships were far superior to ours both in size and technology - Boy, were they big!...and menacing! No, there is no question of a space station.
Professor: But NASA had other missions after Apollo 11? Armstrong: Naturally - NASA was committed at that time, and couldn't risk panic on Earth. But it really was a quick scoop and back again. Armstrong confirmed that the story was true but refused to go into further detail, beyond admitting that the CIA was behind the cover-up.

Of course, Neil Armstrong will never go on public record as saying that, but the evidence does mount up. Bob Dean for example at the 2009 Barcelona Exopolitics Summit showed photographs of UFOs snapped by the Apollo crew - including a cigar-shaped object taken by Neil Armstrong himself.

'LOL' all you like, but you have to at least consider the possibility - especially given the evidence that we do have - that these things were waiting there to meet us.

[edit on 26-10-2009 by RiotComing]

reply posted on 26-10-2009 @ 01:10 AM by RiotComing

reply to post by Skeptical Ed

Ever heard of Google? It's very easy to use. Oh nevermind, i did all the leg-work for you in my post above!

reply posted on 26-10-2009 @ 01:27 AM by Diplomat

reply to post by RiotComing

Oh I see now...

It's true because "RiotComing" on AboveTopSecret.com said so...

You have me absolutely convinced that those words came out of Neil Armstrong's mouth.

"Professor:" lol!

Does this "Professor" even have a name? I guess not, because of course he is "anonymous." What a surprise.

[edit on 26-10-2009 by Diplomat]

reply posted on 26-10-2009 @ 01:37 AM by Skeptical Ed

Originally posted by amazing
reply to post by fieryjaguarpaw

Agreed. I'm not sure what's going on with the Augustine commission. I see a great benefit to having a base on the moon if for nothing else but to help us get to Mars by way of using less fuel to get going and for observation which would be easier without the atmosphere we have on earth. I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that an alien race could have both thrived and died off millions of years ago and there could be remnants of ancient civilization on both the moon or Mars. Even if that is not the case I think the benefits we would gain from geological studies would be well worth the time.

I am not an outer space exploration enthusiast. I'm not against exploring, of course. But we have a great, big, beautiful planet that we know little about. Let's explore our home instead of someone else's back yard.

Since I'm no longer a taxpayer, I'm retired on Soc. Sec., it doesn't bother me as much what is done with your tax dollars. But you're being robbed blind and no one is benefitting from the huge amounts of money Uncle Sam wastes on missions to the moon, to Mars, and all over the universe. How does finding remnants of dead civilations on the moon or Mars benefit starving children (and adults) on our planet who could be fed by the wasted money? How about improving our school system with newer schools and up to date schoolbooks? How about using the money to build hospitals?

Space exploration? Bah, humbug!

reply posted on 26-10-2009 @ 01:58 AM by Skeptical Ed

reply to post by RiotComing

Before you use Bob Dean as a reference ("Bob Dean for example at the 2009 Barcelona Exopolitics Summit showed photographs of UFOs snapped by the Apollo crew ...) you better look at the explanations for his photos.''

Here is an example of a Bob Dean NASA photo and what it really shows:
as12-50-7346
centroufologicotaranto.wordpress.com...

reply posted on 26-10-2009 @ 02:01 AM by reasonable

Wow and amazing image of a massive city on the lunar surface. I bet Obama is calling a press conference right now! wohoo!

Something tells me Hoagland is a psychonaut, tryptonaut or just someone interested in altered states of consciousness. THERE IS NOTHING THERE!!

reply posted on 26-10-2009 @ 02:23 AM by fieryjaguarpaw

Originally posted by reasonable
THERE IS NOTHING THERE!!

Well, I guess that settles it then. Reasonable said there isn't anything there. Oh well it was fun while it lasted. Never mind, I guess we can all move onto the next thread now that Reasonable has imparted his vast wisdom upon our ignorant souls. [/sarcasm]

reply posted on 26-10-2009 @ 02:52 AM by one4all

I have been to the moon and Hoaglund is so on to these guys it isnt even funny,the moon has refuges big enough for millions of people tens of millions actually,I hope the freaking Americans dont destroy our only hope for survival as a species.

The moon was put where it is to ensure that this planet could sustain an environment and so we could have weather patterns and so life could develop here,it is artificial,and was parked here.

The moon is how god created a lifholding environmen here.

In the event of extinction level events humans can seek refuge inside the moon.

Governments dont like being told they cant get in without a ticket,so if the government is American they send a bomb.

Dont worry about what we sent there worry about what they will send back.Or rather whoever sent them a nice little package should expect one to be coming back soon.I hope they dont blame the wrong people when they recieve their bloody nose,because this sounds like a setup,America only starts fight like this one to misdirect public opinion,who the hell will they blame the return fire on.

reply posted on 26-10-2009 @ 03:18 AM by chrisd250

reply to post by one4all

when did go to the moon? is this sarcasm? astronauts post on ats?

reply posted on 26-10-2009 @ 04:21 AM by Lunar_Secrets

reply to post by Skeptical Ed

Press the magical f5 button and behold!!!!

reply posted on 26-10-2009 @ 04:22 AM by Lunar_Secrets

reply to post by one4all

Project Blue Beam, sure seems to come in handy now-a-days.

reply posted on 26-10-2009 @ 04:48 AM by one4all

Its not sarcasm,I was there 33yrs ago.I am not an astronaught,and the ship I went on didnt go warp speed like the Enterprise.The trip seemed to take a really short time but we seemed to travel a really long way.In otherwards I knew that we couldnt possibly be there yet because we travelled so slowly or for such a short time,but we were in fact there and the distance travelled was great,however you need to know that I had a visual reference and WE WERE NOT GOING THAT FAST SOMEHOW.

There were other people there as well.

It was a school of some kind.

reply posted on 26-10-2009 @ 05:00 AM by benzjie

There are no domes on the moon ...there are no domes on the moon ...there are no domes on the moon

ser.sese.asu.edu...

[edit on 26-10-2009 by benzjie]

reply posted on 26-10-2009 @ 05:09 AM by internos

Originally posted by Skeptical Ed
reply to post by RiotComing

Before you use Bob Dean as a reference ("Bob Dean for example at the 2009 Barcelona Exopolitics Summit showed photographs of UFOs snapped by the Apollo crew ...) you better look at the explanations for his photos.''

Here is an example of a Bob Dean NASA photo and what it really shows:
as12-50-7346
centroufologicotaranto.wordpress.com...

LMAO: there was no need to get that far away, Ed:

That image was made by me for this thread:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
then i saw it all around the web

It was already pointed out what it was multiple times even before my post: besides, its caption on LPI website reads:

Image Collection: 70mm Hasselblad
Mission: 12
Magazine: 50
Magazine Letter: Q
Description: S-IV-B; LUNAR MODULE EDGE
Film Type: 368
Film Width: 70 mm
Film Color: color
Hi Resolution Image(s): Print Resolution JPG ( 2.7 MB )

www.lpi.usra.edu...

One of the two: either Dean is VERY ignorant and has the arrogance to pretend to spread knowledge while knowledge is exactly what he lacks, or he's a LIAR, you decide.

reply posted on 26-10-2009 @ 05:16 AM by Outlawstar

Very intriguing, frankly I dont see how a logical conlusion after examination of the evidence could come up as anything other than, it frikin looks extremely geometric.

Anyone whos done some real trawling through NASA moon images and the rest of space for that matter, knows at the very least there are MANY "unexplainable" anomalies.

As for helping our own planet instead of going to space, never gonna happen, the status quo WILL be kept unless the public does something about it and thats that unfortunatly.

Oh and for those calling Hoagland crazy without actually making any sort of argument as to why, grow up please that would be nice.

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