Hoagland's Smoking Gun Pt. II

Well this was worth the wait! The first part was more of a tease than anything else, but this second part really delivers. What a great article.

www.enterprisemission.com...

A few weeks ago I made a post pointing out that some of the images presented by NASA were released upside down in comparison to other images of the same area and Hoagland even touches on that as well.


I'm still not convinced that there will be some mass disclosure of ancient structures on the Moon and in fact I think this all adds up to more proof that NASA and the other powers that be, are trying their best to keep this sort of thing secret, but the article is well worth the read.

reply to post by fieryjaguarpaw

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just outta curiosity, but why would they need to crash anything into it to see what's there when they have photographs of every square inch of the moon, hasselbad quality, right down to the inch in detail? is mr. hoagland suggesting it was buried under regolith?

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Sorry, but I don't know what you mean. As far as I know LRO has the abillity to take photos of the Moon with the most resolution. It so far has only registered the apollo craft as a pixle or two... so I don't know where you get the idea that we have images of the moon down to the resolution of inches.

Even if a obiter were able to resolve things that small it would pobably take decades if not century to image the entire Moon at that level of detail.

Lastly the crater(s) in question are permenately shadowed, so even if you had the resolution you still wouldn't be able to see anything in side them... At least in the visible spectrum anyway.


Maybe you should just read the article and see what it actually says rather than just assuming it is going to say this or that.

as usual, it makes no sense. Why would NASA want the public announcement to lead the whole world to expect a big plume? All they would have to do is announce that it was not expected to produce anything visible, and then there would be no notice of anything fishy. oh wait... they did it so the arch loony Hoagland could make a few more webpages for his silly site. that must be why! case solved!

reply to post by Longchenpa

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You obviously didn't read the artcicle.

My personal opinion is that they had to let us know they were going to do something in case somone on Earth DID happen to see something. In other words looking for water was a cover story for the real mission. The plume of regolith wasn't observed from Earth, but NASA couldn't take the chance that it would be, so they came up with a cover story.

It would be nice if some of the nay sayers on this site would actually read what they are trashing be fore they trash it.

Wow, that article is just... exciting. Here´s hoping he is right. The whole mission did seem fishy from the get go, it would be fantastic if the revelation was indeed coming soon.

*crosses fingers*

Does anyone know if he is EVER going to post "Von Braun’s 50-Year-Old Secret Part III"?

Wow, hoagland is a flipping ignorant fool. How anyone could read this article and get hyped up just blows my mind. Are there that many people that would follow this guy? Seriously, read his article.

I would tell anyone on here with half a brain to read this article, it is well worth the laugh and demonstrates the ignorance level of the average person that would swallow hoagland's tripe and then eagerly ask for more.

His assertions in this article are absurd. They defy logic, reason and common sense...but don't let that stop you from drinking the Hoagland flavored Kool-Aid.

reply to post by IgnoreTheFacts

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Do you know how to have a conversation, articulate an idea, or express a thought?

Maybe you could tell us what you think is so absurd rather than just saying that it is.

reply to post by IgnoreTheFacts

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You would have more success in exposing Hoagland as the fraud you obviously see him as if you took the time to explain why you find his assertions to be absurd and illogical.

Whether you agree with his findings or not, what cannot be questioned is that Hoagland has presented a well illustrated argument. In order to question the validity of that argument, you have to do the same.

That's the way an intelligent debate works.

Great post, good work S+ F !

S&F for the post.

Maybe Hoagland is reaching for straws and over evaluating images and ideas, but then again, maybe he isn't.

I'm not implying that he is 100% right on the money, but the ramifications of of him only being 10% correct would be staggering.



Maybe you could define the logic, reason, and common sense that you're referring to?

Guys, I sincerely wish I had the time and patience to show you the light. Others around here probably do, but in reality I know from experience there are not enough facts to sway a true believer to begin with.

Plus, the fact that one swallows Hoagland's load to me indicates that one has a level of ignorance so great that they would not understand most of the explanations that expose his foolishness.

Give a man a fish and feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and feed him for life. So, with that in mind, educate yourselves and take advantage of all the modern resources that surround you to do so. The knowledge gained from such a journey is far more beneficial than some guy like me spouting stuff on some internet bulletin board.

My knowledge did not come without great sacrifice, and yours should not either. I would cheapen the quest to better yourselves if I just blurted out stuff that you probably wouldn't understand to begin with. I know me saying this to many folks here produces an emotional and irrational response, and for that I am sorry. But set aside your religion (Ufology) and educate yourselves so you may form your own educated and rational response.

reply to post by fieryjaguarpaw

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sorry, extinguishedcougartoe, but I did read the article, which is why its so cleat that Hoagland is at least consistent year to year with his nuttiness.

If it was a secret mission, they wouldn't have to announce it at all and noone would notice anything anyway. don't you think DOD launches secret satellites all the time without anyone knowing?

These are the direct links to "the smoking gun" Moon Cities.


www.enterprisemission.com...

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something is in that crater that doesn't look "natural"

I can't believe I read the whole thing!

IMO, The Enterprise Mission should be renamed to The Loonie's Mission! Can you imagine, this guy is still trying to convince the world that not only are there glass domes covering the farside of the moon but that NASA sent a rocket to a particular crater not to look for water ice but to break through the crater which has a glass cover as well as the surrounding area!

"...but this second part really delivers." Delivers what? More fantasy, that's what. The OP is right when he says he is "...not convinced that there will be some mass disclosure of ancient structures on the Moon..." becaue they ain't there! They exist only in Hoagland's mind. Yeah, right NASA is keeping it a secret. They have the whole moon to explore in higher resolution than the excellent Lunar Orbiter missions and they select a nondescript crater because they suspect there are alien structures inside?

Next lunar mission, let's send Hoagland (and Mike Bara, Hoagland's back side exit) and let him carouse in the glass domes of his mind.

reply to post by IgnoreTheFacts

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Sorry but this post failed to show us exactly what you found so offensive in Hoagland's article. You disagree that there are ancient structures on the moon? That's all you needed to say! The rest of us can make up our own minds.

Personally, I'm not entirely sold on the idea (the photographic evidence is very poor), but something is definitely being covered up. How can you sum up the good membership here as a 'religion' daring to even read the information in this thread. It's simply being open enough to investigate alternative explanations outside the box. Something fishy happened with that LCROSS mission. We were warned off the moon in the times of the Apollo missions. The shuttle missions always show up with objects on camera. How can we not be curious as to what's really going on? That's not a 'religion', nor is it 'believing anything'. It's about looking at the data available and making up your own mind.

Please refrain from your high and mighty 'you're better than everyone else' attitude. You're not. You know nothing more than any of us. If anyone has a prejudiced 'belief system', it's you.

You ought to let Hoagland know that you are available as his forum shill.

reply to post by RiotComing

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"We were warned off the moon in the times of the Apollo missions. ... It's about looking at the data available and making up your own mind." Well, where in the data does it say that we were warned off the moon? You obviously didn't need data to make up your mind and come to that fantasy conclusion.

"...You know nothing more than any of us." Yet you claim to know the above!

reply to post by fieryjaguarpaw

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BTW, I could not accept any of the following as having a kernel of truth. All attributed to Hoagland:

LCROSS' secret lunar mission turns out to be, in fact, designed -- from the beginning -- as nothing less than "an official, clandestine, NASA multi-sensor search for ... and scientific characterization of ... artificial ruins on the Moon"

This objective, of course, being deliberately complimentary to the primary "hidden mission" (again ...) of its companion lunar spacecraft--

LRO.

(What did you think the "reconnaissance" part of "LRO" really stands for ...?)
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What's producing that?!

"That" is the combined effect of "countless numbers of semi-transparent, heat-radiating, ancient lunar structures ..." all blending together ... along a substantial section of the horizon of the Farside of the Moon ....
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highly demolished (but still physical) set of "elevated lunar structures" seen on the visible film--
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Thus scientifically proving that there are, indeed, "ancient lunar domes and ruins on the Moon ..." -- apparently, a LOT of 'em ....
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In this way, the LCROSS IR cameras easily confirmed not only the domes' physical existence (from their unconcealable thermal emissions ...), they revealed a startlingly-wide surface distribution of these structures ... apparently, covering much of the lunar Farside!; curiously, the same "farside" hemisphere which is SO visually different from the one that we've been staring at for tens of thousands of years ... the Nearside ... with all those dark, enigmatic "maria
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LCROSS made it the perfect spacecraft to explore in-depth "the structure, composition, distribution ... and perhaps even origins" ... of any lunar ruins better-preserved near the lunar poles ....
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"Lunar Crater Observation and Sensing Satellite" -- LCROSS
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If the falling Centaur punched a hole directly through the roof--

Of some massive, ancient lunar structure ... located on the pitch-black floor of Cabeus!
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And, as a result, the Centaur's enormous kinetic energy was literally directed downwards ... into "breaking walls ... shattering interior structural supports ... and creating a lot of debris ... inside a 'layered' underground bunker-like lunar complex ..." which, unfortunately, was hidden from external view by several overlying floors--
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An enlargement of this image (below), reveals that this astonishing, repeating "rectilinearity" -- innumerable walls ... repeating right-angle alignments ... overwhelming smaller geometric structures -- is now showing us the obvious--
The remains of an amazing, ancient lunar city ... on images officially released by NASA ... from LCROSS.
A city covering ... literally ... thousands of square miles of lunar surface!