Snide humor we can all do without, where things like they use mind control to monitor people to ridicule them at school.
Thats the humour most of you want in this world. Do you really think that really is a world of any sort of morals at all.
I prefer to say, let the world has all its scum, and man does it have its share of absolute trash.
If you think a world without the above scenario is humorless, than fair enough. How far would you go, chopping of peoples heads on tv, would that be
fun enough for you, or watching with cameras your kids taking baths, for all the paedo police to have there erections and fantasies.
Do you get what i am getting at, once you start there is no stopping you, like drug addicted fiends, you have to need more, and the victims are not
given one bit of civility at all, just scorn for being upset, for being either perved at, or violated, like any animal.
You see the ones who are always the ones on the end of the humor, are the victims, that are tarnished forever.
[edit on 10/25/2009 by andy1033]
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reply posted on 25-10-2009 @ 01:39 PM by Vanitas
reply to post by halfoldman
I already know I am going to regret engaging in this conversation, but... I'll bite.
Let me ask you this: do you remember very many literary (i.e. belletristic) accounts where laughter is given much attention?
Unless the character described is defined by his or her laughter, such details are very often omitted.
The Gospels were clearly intended as succinct accounts of a series of happenings the likes of which their writers - and presumably their audiences - had never seen before. Their main intention was to relay the miraculous, never-seen nature of these events - not portraying the main protagonist. Haven't you noticed that they don't describe even his physical appearance?
Why do you think that is?
There was no place for a minute portrayal of the physical person himself.
And it makes perfect sense, both from the standpoint of the narrative AND the deeper meaning of the accounts.
As for the "fools" and jesters, their role was indeed fascinating.
And I don't mean only court jesters, who were the mouthpieces for unspoken truths that rulers didn't usually get to hear; there are also the "sacred fools" of the Orthodox (i.e. Eastern Christian) tradition. They were "holy" - untouchable.
[edit on 25-10-2009 by Vanitas]
I already know I am going to regret engaging in this conversation, but... I'll bite.
Let me ask you this: do you remember very many literary (i.e. belletristic) accounts where laughter is given much attention?
Unless the character described is defined by his or her laughter, such details are very often omitted.
The Gospels were clearly intended as succinct accounts of a series of happenings the likes of which their writers - and presumably their audiences - had never seen before. Their main intention was to relay the miraculous, never-seen nature of these events - not portraying the main protagonist. Haven't you noticed that they don't describe even his physical appearance?
Why do you think that is?
There was no place for a minute portrayal of the physical person himself.
And it makes perfect sense, both from the standpoint of the narrative AND the deeper meaning of the accounts.
As for the "fools" and jesters, their role was indeed fascinating.
And I don't mean only court jesters, who were the mouthpieces for unspoken truths that rulers didn't usually get to hear; there are also the "sacred fools" of the Orthodox (i.e. Eastern Christian) tradition. They were "holy" - untouchable.
[edit on 25-10-2009 by Vanitas]
reply posted on 25-10-2009 @ 02:27 PM by halfoldman
reply to post by Vanitas
Well, saw a program on the Gnostic Jesus, and in that from of early belief Jesus did laugh (he actually stood next to the cross with His disciples having a good laugh). As for His appearence, I just saw the film Malcolm X again, and apparently it describes His hair like wool and other non-white aspects. (Sorry don't have the verses with me, but a well-known debate). The fact is, modern Christians carry on with this joyful behavior (and good for them, but I think it's sometimes forced with a "Pollyanna" humor), and yet all the traditional depictions are of a very sad, milky-white, unhappy persona. Of course we also have the transfiguration, which appeals to the sun worshippers. All I can say is that children's Bibles show a much happier Jesus.
Well, saw a program on the Gnostic Jesus, and in that from of early belief Jesus did laugh (he actually stood next to the cross with His disciples having a good laugh). As for His appearence, I just saw the film Malcolm X again, and apparently it describes His hair like wool and other non-white aspects. (Sorry don't have the verses with me, but a well-known debate). The fact is, modern Christians carry on with this joyful behavior (and good for them, but I think it's sometimes forced with a "Pollyanna" humor), and yet all the traditional depictions are of a very sad, milky-white, unhappy persona. Of course we also have the transfiguration, which appeals to the sun worshippers. All I can say is that children's Bibles show a much happier Jesus.
reply posted on 25-10-2009 @ 02:30 PM by cancerian42
reply to post by halfoldman
Behind every joke there's a little truth. When someone seriously believes in something then all humor is lost and fear is introduced. Once you think you know what's going on, you become the butt of every jester's joke.
Behind every joke there's a little truth. When someone seriously believes in something then all humor is lost and fear is introduced. Once you think you know what's going on, you become the butt of every jester's joke.
reply posted on 25-10-2009 @ 02:33 PM by halfoldman
reply to post by andy1033
Points taken. Not sure if one should mention this, but bought a book by anti-Semite Des Griffen on a flea-market (not knowing what he was about). Here he says Zionist controlled media pokes fun at Christian traditions with the media/TV. It seems that Jewish and gay humor are often seen as both hilarious and undermining. But it's a bit strange, first one marginalizes people, and then expects them to follow the holy cows.
Points taken. Not sure if one should mention this, but bought a book by anti-Semite Des Griffen on a flea-market (not knowing what he was about). Here he says Zionist controlled media pokes fun at Christian traditions with the media/TV. It seems that Jewish and gay humor are often seen as both hilarious and undermining. But it's a bit strange, first one marginalizes people, and then expects them to follow the holy cows.
reply posted on 8-11-2009 @ 12:57 AM by halfoldman
reply to post by halfoldman
Re: minority/majority humor, I suppose it's always out-jokes from the in-group. Perhaps black humor is more co-opted in the USA than any other.
Re: minority/majority humor, I suppose it's always out-jokes from the in-group. Perhaps black humor is more co-opted in the USA than any other.
reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 10:30 AM by halfoldman
reply to post by spellbound
Well perhaps He did laugh, but is there any verse from the current New Testament which suggests that He laughed?
Ironically, the shortest verse is : "And Jesus wept".
Well perhaps He did laugh, but is there any verse from the current New Testament which suggests that He laughed?
Ironically, the shortest verse is : "And Jesus wept".
reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 10:37 AM by halfoldman
reply to post by halfoldman
Watching TBN, I often find humor thrown in, and some pastors are popular for it. Yet, it is all gender-stereotyped humor aimed at married couples. I think in this case the humor is an expansion of loaded language, or "Bible-ese". From the "new man" perspective of gender it is actually quite dated and offensive.
Watching TBN, I often find humor thrown in, and some pastors are popular for it. Yet, it is all gender-stereotyped humor aimed at married couples. I think in this case the humor is an expansion of loaded language, or "Bible-ese". From the "new man" perspective of gender it is actually quite dated and offensive.
reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 10:45 AM by randyvs
reply to post by spellbound
A man after my own heart.
Who else in history has done what Jesus has done.
I'm sure you are right Spellbound, Jesus was probably a lot of fun and
very interesting.
I would like to have met Jesus when He was here on earth - He was not pompous, not better-than-thou - He was probably a lot of fun.
A man after my own heart.
Who else in history has done what Jesus has done.
I'm sure you are right Spellbound, Jesus was probably a lot of fun and
very interesting.
reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 01:11 PM by halfoldman
reply to post by randyvs
OK you say so, but then I ask you again, where did He laugh in the non-Gnostic scriptures?
Do you think in His time He told the odd sexist, racist, homophobic joke?
Did He have the apostles in stiches?
Strangely, the atheist book "The God Delusion" (Richard Dawkins) goes in to that problem. He says that Western society has become less prejudiced. He claims that once in the US/UK it was OK to tell jokes about "dagoes" (Italians), "hymies" (Jews) and "'n-word's" (blacks). In male-male company that was still fine in the 1950s. Dawkins said religion actually encouraged much of that. And yet, today it has changed - but what caused that change, even Dawkins doesnt know? Perhaps it is working class humor upgraded? So today only gender jokes, and "faggot" jokes are OK. Perhaps Dawkins made a mistake based on his acedemic class, and this "ethnic" humor is still prevelant in some homosocial situations?
Well, we have the fundamentalist Christian mainstream. This is spreading very fast, and they even have parental guidance on "clean" humor. What qualifies "clean" humor?
I've heard from Christians: "Smoking won't make you go to hell, you'll just smell like you came from there". (Don't smoke.)
"I still miss my ex, but my aim's getting better". (Don't get divorced.)
I don't wanna be a killjoy, but....
OK you say so, but then I ask you again, where did He laugh in the non-Gnostic scriptures?
Do you think in His time He told the odd sexist, racist, homophobic joke?
Did He have the apostles in stiches?
Strangely, the atheist book "The God Delusion" (Richard Dawkins) goes in to that problem. He says that Western society has become less prejudiced. He claims that once in the US/UK it was OK to tell jokes about "dagoes" (Italians), "hymies" (Jews) and "'n-word's" (blacks). In male-male company that was still fine in the 1950s. Dawkins said religion actually encouraged much of that. And yet, today it has changed - but what caused that change, even Dawkins doesnt know? Perhaps it is working class humor upgraded? So today only gender jokes, and "faggot" jokes are OK. Perhaps Dawkins made a mistake based on his acedemic class, and this "ethnic" humor is still prevelant in some homosocial situations?
Well, we have the fundamentalist Christian mainstream. This is spreading very fast, and they even have parental guidance on "clean" humor. What qualifies "clean" humor?
I've heard from Christians: "Smoking won't make you go to hell, you'll just smell like you came from there". (Don't smoke.)
"I still miss my ex, but my aim's getting better". (Don't get divorced.)
I don't wanna be a killjoy, but....
reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 01:43 PM by halfoldman
reply to post by unityemissions
Yes, to previous post. Children normally enjoy laughter, I think the verses that refer to devotees becomming child-like are the best concerning joy and laughter.
To the current (second) post; yes I feel this quite often. Something is not that funny and yet people expect you to laugh, or you are painted as a miserable person. This is surely mental terrorism.
The clashes of sects and religions seem to be so great that certain people must always be smiling and laughing, and it comes across as so forced.
Yes, to previous post. Children normally enjoy laughter, I think the verses that refer to devotees becomming child-like are the best concerning joy and laughter.
To the current (second) post; yes I feel this quite often. Something is not that funny and yet people expect you to laugh, or you are painted as a miserable person. This is surely mental terrorism.
The clashes of sects and religions seem to be so great that certain people must always be smiling and laughing, and it comes across as so forced.
reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 01:44 PM by Selahobed
reply to post by halfoldman
The closest to what you are asking is in Luke 10 where Yeshua sends out the 70, and they return with joy, and Yeshua then "rejoices in the Spirit," its a bit hard to rejoice without smiling or laughing!!
Isaiahs prophecy about Yeshua, known as the "suffering Servant" says that Yeshua would be "a man of sorrows," and that "There is no beauty that we should desire Him," in others words, not a looker lol I find this passage very moving about Him, written at least 500 years before He appeared:
Isaiah 53 (New King James Version)
Isaiah 53
1 Who has believed our report?
And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
2 For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant,
And as a root out of dry ground.
He has no form or comeliness;
And when we see Him,
There is no beauty that we should desire Him.
3 He is despised and rejected by men,
A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief.
And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him;
He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
4 Surely He has borne our griefs
And carried our sorrows;
Yet we esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten by God, and afflicted.
5 But He was wounded for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray;
We have turned, every one, to his own way;
And the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He opened not His mouth;
He was led as a lamb to the slaughter,
And as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
So He opened not His mouth.
8 He was taken from prison and from judgment,
And who will declare His generation?
For He was cut off from the land of the living;
For the transgressions of My people He was stricken.
9 And they[a] made His grave with the wicked—
But with the rich at His death,
Because He had done no violence,
Nor was any deceit in His mouth.
10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him;
He has put Him to grief.
When You make His soul an offering for sin,
He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days,
And the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His hand.
11 He shall see the labor of His soul,and be satisfied.
By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many,
For He shall bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great,
And He shall divide the spoil with the strong,
Because He poured out His soul unto death,
And He was numbered with the transgressors,
And He bore the sin of many,
And made intercession for the transgressors.
[edit on 013030p://f48Tuesday by Selahobed]
The closest to what you are asking is in Luke 10 where Yeshua sends out the 70, and they return with joy, and Yeshua then "rejoices in the Spirit," its a bit hard to rejoice without smiling or laughing!!
Isaiahs prophecy about Yeshua, known as the "suffering Servant" says that Yeshua would be "a man of sorrows," and that "There is no beauty that we should desire Him," in others words, not a looker lol I find this passage very moving about Him, written at least 500 years before He appeared:
Isaiah 53 (New King James Version)
Isaiah 53
1 Who has believed our report?
And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
2 For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant,
And as a root out of dry ground.
He has no form or comeliness;
And when we see Him,
There is no beauty that we should desire Him.
3 He is despised and rejected by men,
A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief.
And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him;
He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
4 Surely He has borne our griefs
And carried our sorrows;
Yet we esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten by God, and afflicted.
5 But He was wounded for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray;
We have turned, every one, to his own way;
And the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He opened not His mouth;
He was led as a lamb to the slaughter,
And as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
So He opened not His mouth.
8 He was taken from prison and from judgment,
And who will declare His generation?
For He was cut off from the land of the living;
For the transgressions of My people He was stricken.
9 And they[a] made His grave with the wicked—
But with the rich at His death,
Because He had done no violence,
Nor was any deceit in His mouth.
10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him;
He has put Him to grief.
When You make His soul an offering for sin,
He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days,
And the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His hand.
11 He shall see the labor of His soul,and be satisfied.
By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many,
For He shall bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great,
And He shall divide the spoil with the strong,
Because He poured out His soul unto death,
And He was numbered with the transgressors,
And He bore the sin of many,
And made intercession for the transgressors.
[edit on 013030p://f48Tuesday by Selahobed]
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