I know this might sound a bit odd, but mu wife pointed out that it was very interesting that this is happening just as they are trying to finalize the whole Health care reform debacle. Do you think Obama would try to abuse his powers under national security, in an effort to pass this bill (because of the "evil swine flu") and not have to deal with the opposition?

It would make sense wouldn't it? He keeps getting stopped at every turn by opposition, so in turn, what better way to actually do what you want, than to make the opposition a non-issue? "Oh you oppose my health care bill? Too bad, this is a matter of national security, so suck it up!" The same excuse could be used on how he's handling the economy. "Oh you don't like that I'm giving bailout money to failing banks and businesses? You don't like that I'm taking control over car dealers? Sorry, your opinion no longer matters as this is a national emergency, and as such, what I say goes... at least for the next 2 years" Sadly... by then 2 years will be WAY too late.

Congratulations you liberal monkeys! You elected the very first dictator to America I hope you're happy with your "King"

Does any of this sound suspicious? Banks going down the @#!% hole. Iran threats at its peak. Web Bots Predicting something big gonna happen. It looks like things are lining up for a disaster

Originally posted by Hitemhard
I know this might sound a bit odd, but mu wife pointed out that it was very interesting that this is happening just as they are trying to finalize the whole Health care reform debacle. Do you think Obama would try to abuse his powers under national security, in an effort to pass this bill (because of the "evil swine flu") and not have to deal with the opposition?

SNIP

I think this is the most logical scenario, at present. However, I don't think he will come out and make it a demand, he won't need to. The fear tactics and media will sway the people (as it always does. Why this always happens is another question to ask...) and pressure will be on Congress to make it so. One thing I can believe about the Pres. is that an opportunity will not be passed up and this is a grand one...

This may be off topic but here is something I have noticed. At one company I work at I have noticed an increase in foreign drivers. Not Hispanic but somewhere else like Russian. and these guys can barely speak English. I also have a second job that has me traveling the states. I have noticed the same thing elsewhere. it may seem like a stretch to be mentioning this, but givin the circumstances we may be heading in, I thought it was worthy of mentioning.

Originally posted by JJay55
I'm just not buying the US government taking over the population of the US. There's not enough manpower and the motivation would only be if there was a foreign force behind it... like the Caliphate and Islam.
If that's the case and Obama is the Manchurian Candidate of Islam then it could get interesting as the US military will go against the president.

Funny you should mention Islam and Obama in the same paragraph, who do you think is Obama's real father? It was posted on ATS somewhere, can't remember the thread but the guy had a link to an article that was very well done. Archeological Anthropologist and all. Obama's height and cranial sculpture make it MORE LIKELY that Malcolm X is his real biological fther than the 5' 6" tall Obama Sr. Seems that Stanley Ann Dunham was in San Fran the same time as Malcolm was giving his communist rhetoric speech and they may have gotten together. She was also very into socialism and communism. Well documented.

So why do you think they want to hide his birth certificate, if the people of this country found out that his real biological father was the FOUNDER and PRESIDENT of the Nation of Islam, they would go nuts.

I am not sure if Title 50 of the Federal Code was ever ratified by Congress, if it was not, then the National Emergency would ONLY apply to 14th Amendment U.S. citizens and NOT AMERICAN Citizens. You must understand you are not a "person" according to the law, you are a "Sovereign Citizen", you can not be forced into anything you have a conscientious objection to. For the good of the country my rear end!! In GOD We trust, whether you believe in it or him or not.

I am locked and loaded as is everyone I know, I have signs on my doors, NO TRESPASSING on FOREIGN LAND!! This is NOT U.S. Territory. States are sovereign as long as WE stand up for our rights, executive orders be damned, they are and always have been unconstitutional. ALL Political POWER is INHERENT in the PEOPLE. Nuff said.

While many of you would like to assume that declaring an act of emergency means imminent martial law, I think most clear-minded folks realize this is just a way to help hospitals and other health-care facilities get the assistance needed to get through this flu.

Just because a flu isn't super-deadly doesn't mean it's not a serious threat to the nation. At a time where our economy is a shambles, the sheer # of lost business time due to sick workers is a pretty serious hit to the economy, I can understand their concern.

I still don't entertain even a remote possibility of martial law, forced immunizations, or in fact, most things that people around here are afraid (i.e. hope) will happen.

The first paragraph in the Boston Globe link from m kahn is a real eyecatcher.

"President Obama declared the swine flu outbreak a national emergency, giving his health chief the power to let hospitals move emergency rooms offsite to speed treatment and protect noninfected patients."

Move emergency rooms offsite. Hmm Ive heard of a couple of places that FEMA has that would serve as excellent treatment/containment areas for just that purpose....

Here we go!!

I resurected an older post about these executive orders. And found one that included this.

While the danger of a dictatorship arising through legal means may seem remote to us today, recent history records Hitler seizing control through the use of the emergency powers provisions contained in the laws of the Weimar Republic."

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This law has been in act since '76.

So what? NOW IT'S BAD since Obama's President, and he declared swine flu an emergency?

And No, Obama's not pushing health care through because of the swine flu.

Obama wanted universal health care long before the swine flu even started.

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas

At least two constitutional rights are subject to revocation during a state of emergency:

With all due respect to the point with regard to the structure of the law, it is impossible for any constitutional right to ever be suspended by law. It takes the constitution to outweigh the constitution.

If a federal official attempts to deny you a constitutional right, then it is your duty as an American to exercise your second amendment right to bear arms against that official.

I know the government might think it can suspend constitutional rights, and the courts may agree, but that's not the social contract upon which this nation was founded, the constitution is. And there's a long and proud tradition of Americans shooting people who threaten that.

And even setting the law aside, there's the simple matter of government by consent of the governed. If the people do not consent and the government will not relent, a defacto state of revolution exists, and again, the government is liable to get shot at in that case, laws be damned.

edited to clarify that this was a response to quoted external material.

[edit on Mon 26 Oct 2009 by The Vagabond]

LOL!!! Wake up people....we don't have rights now in peace or in an emergency.

Have you heard Nazi Pelosi at all lately? When asked by a reporter what in the Constitution gives you the right to pass healthcare against the will of the people she answered,

"You're kidding me? You're kidding me, right?"

paraphrased but pretty close. That is Nazi Pelosi. I can only guess it's much worse from der Obamfuhrer.

As for myself...if someone wants to give me a shot against my will, they'll be shot as first. Plain and simple. I am not going out in a Mengele plotted satanic cabal fest.

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