"JESUS was born in 4-6 B.C, and crucified in 34 A.D.???, page 2
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reply posted on 25-10-2009 @ 12:06 AM by iamsupermanv2
reply to post by brooklyn87



because when time was unified, christians were in charge of the world. there are asian cultures that have time in their own timeline..

and i'm not sure, but i thinik the official jewish calender is an ascending timeline.

but all of that is off of memory from school. i'm not about to do too much research on that because its an arbitrary system, made by man, and time is relative anyway.

yes, i agree it doesnt make sense...but what would christians see as the most logical point to start time? a day we cant possibly figure out (when man was first here..bc i think we'd all agree that is "year one") or when jesus was born? something that through roman records and such, we could probably get a good estimate?


reply posted on 25-10-2009 @ 12:08 AM by iamsupermanv2
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THANK YOU! i was right on that one...i think that about answers the when recorded time started...bc asking when time really started woudl send you down a long and dusty trail that just wouldn't be too much worth it in the end.


reply posted on 25-10-2009 @ 12:09 AM by Shadowflux
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Just, don't use the Bible for trying to date things, you'll confuse yourself and seem a fool. In fact, I'm not sure you need concern yourself with it at all unless your inquiries are of a religious nature.


reply posted on 25-10-2009 @ 12:09 AM by iamsupermanv2
reply to post by brooklyn87


dont go believing word for word the bible..esp. when it comes to how long people lived. or the creation story...

but that could derail this topic...and i'm not wanting to attack someones belief system.


reply posted on 25-10-2009 @ 12:10 AM by kyred
reply to post by brooklyn87




What are you doing? It's been answered already. It's not AFTER DEATH. It's some anno duh stuff that means Year of Our Lord.

And just as a side note, the year 1 BC comes just before the year 1 AD. And I have no idea how you came up with 1000 years of age.

Also, take note that there was no year 0, either BC or AD, or BCE or CE. That seems to be a great mindf*&&^&er for some folks, too. That's why the year 2000 was NOT the new millenium. It was actually the last year of the past millenium. The new millenium began just at the stroke of midnight on January 1, 2001. But that sure didn't stop folks from having great and expensive celebrations on New Years Eve 1999 to welcome in the New Millenium.

I'm sorry if I've gotten a bit off topic here, but in my mind this entire OP is one of a misunderstanding of math, especially when it comes to understanding BC and AD, etc.
Simple math can be tricky for some folks. I have a friend who was born just a few days before me. However he claims he is one year older than I am. And he claims, me, a math genius, if I do say so myself. , am just ignorant and I am one year older than I really am. Based upon his understanding of math. Its no wonder the high school just kicked him out with a diploma because he just couldn't understand math. lol. There was no help for this guy. However, ut oh, going way off topic here, but with his lack of understanding of basic math, he is a successful building contractor.



reply posted on 25-10-2009 @ 12:16 AM by drsmooth23
Originally posted by brooklyn87
I am not worried what got him crucified, but if B.C goes backwards then why? that is my question, why not go forward in one long stream of time, and what date did time begin


Because this is a historical issue. They didnt call it BC/AD when it was actually happening, both those terms are something that "recent" (15 centruy AD) historians coined to mark the general date range of his birth

you ask a rather deep question, but let me try and help you understand-

It is pretty close to impossible to decide the exact time that people moved out of caves and started building cities. Archeologists are CONSTANTLY finding city sites that appear older than even the most ancient civilizations through their carbon dating methods.

the biggest problem with the "reverse BC order dating" you mention is WHERE IN TIME, would we establish year one, BC? it is FAAARRRRRR easier to use the estimated jesus birth date and work backwards from that.

you could say that Time (as observed on planet earth) began somewhere around 14 billion BC, and that would be as accurate as current scientific method would allow

The "scientists" who first coined the terms were living in a time where religion was VERY CLOSELY related to science. meaning, if you didnt believe in jesus or god, you had no career and would be killed for being a heretic


if that doesnt make sense feel free to U2U me so i can clarify my explanation


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reply posted on 25-10-2009 @ 12:24 AM by Shadowflux
reply to post by brooklyn87



There really isn't a reason, it just works as an effective reference point for studying history.


reply posted on 25-10-2009 @ 01:25 PM by IceOwl
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I have a sound file on my computer by the brilliant Rick Levine that does a pretty good job of explaining this. E-mail or message me and I'll send it to you. But here's what I remember from it.

The wise guys (Zoroastrian astrologers) were watching the sky and saw a certain kind of planetary conjunction in a certain constellation which they knew in a month or two would culminate in a bright light not unlike a star. They did not see a star shining over Bethlehem because a star shines everywhere at once, of course.
So the wise guys start makin' a fuss, because this conjunction means that a great king is about to be born. A king among kings, even. So they start packing and tell king Herod, or perhaps he just heard they fuss they were making. Anyhow, he hears about this conjunction rumor and calls them over to the palace so they can explain things to him.
They take him out in the desert and show him the planets getting closer together and explain what it means to them. Specifically, Herod is told, this king of all kings will be a king of the Jews (I think the constellation in question was considered Jew-related). He sets them free and they manage to get to Bethlehem just as the conjunction happens, and as the baby is born.
A year or so later, maybe not that long, Herod decides it would be best to eliminate the kid, and makes the proclamation that all male babies under 1 were going to be slain. Presuming, foolishly, that he had nothing to worry about from the females.
This is in about 4-6 BC. The man who was tasked with inventing the calendar decided (since he worked for the pope) that the most important thing in the world was the birth of the baby Jesus. So he wanted the calendar to start from there. He decided a good place to start counting from (since they didn't have Jesus' birth certificate) was the reign of a certain king.
BUT he forgot that that same king had previously reigned for a few years under a different name. So that's why the calendar is messed up. The length of the king's first reign was 5 years or so. Plus, there were no zeroes back in those days, so there it's off by another one. Which makes the count 4-6 years off and that's where we get the idea that Jesus was born in 4-6 AD

Side note: Most cultures viewed time as circular, not linear before the Jews or so. Because time really is a circle, at least for the lifespan of us humans. Fall, Winter, Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter, Spring, Summer, etc. You're born, then you die, then you're born, then you die. Water goes down the mountain, into the sky, and back down the mountain again.
However Judaism and it's precedents were all based on this "Messiah" idea. That one day in the future, all this crap will be over. Most cultures aside from this think it's the person which will eventually disappear or change form, not the whole world. "The world ends with you" kinda concept versus "The world just ends". So if there's a future date where it ends, and it began sometime, time has two ends and is therefore a line. So now we need a calendar. If time isn't going to end sometime then there's really no need for the concept of linear time at all.
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