Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by Hazelnut
The patents exist.
So what? Really, if you stop to think about it....the MILITARY doesn't need a "patent", does it???
The military doesn't if they originate the idea. If the idea is "owned" by a contractor then the patent allows the contractor post end terms of
their contract and NDA to sell the technology.
An example would be our sales to Israel. Some are military sales and some are direct sales from Lockheed.
What is a "patent" for? To Make Money on your invention.
That's stating the obvious. :O
That's it. To be able to claim sole ownership of an idea and invention, to preclude others from profiting off of YOUR idea.
Again, that's an obvious. This whole post is about the particulars of a patent and we are discussing what a patent is
? Wow! That's some
The will to experiment exists.
Pure speculation. "Will" exists in everything - such a blanket statement as that isn't logical "proof" of anything!
No, it is a logical assumption. Proof is when a hypothesis has gone through research and then peer review. Until then you have assumptions, you have
statistics, you have evidence, but no "proof".
Hmmm. You know, sometimes even after peer review you have speculation on your work so "proof" is sometimes relative.
It is logical to assume
given the capitalistic and opportunistic nature of man that has been "proven" in behavioral studies and the work of
psychologists and philosophers from Maslow to Jung that men try to increase wealth, increase their "share" of things and will utilize methods:
inventions, crafts, etc to achieve their desires.
It is illogical to assume otherwise. Truly altruistic individuals rarely create patents, they usually wear robes of some kind and light a lot of
The desire to keep the public in the dark exists.
Now, again...paranoia extraordinaire!
How so? A desire to keep the public in the dark about terrorist plots existence else our economy would collapse for the lack of people leaving the
home to shop. A "desire" in this case may be for
the benefit of humans. The fact is our government has stated many times
that there have been threats eliminated that we have yet to hear about and will never hear about.
Were I to use your same brand of cynicism I would think they are just wasting our money at Homeland Security or that the terror threat is over if we
have had less than fifteen incidents since 2001. So I will assume they are telling the truth and that they have foiled plots left and right and just
chose to keep me in the dark for my own good.
The disinformation campaign exists.
What "disinformation campaign"???? My gosh! It's all over the 'Net! Actually, there is you 'disinfo' campaign...sites
like 'carnicorn', et al.
Weedwacker, there is no need for snark. There was a "disinformation campaign" if you would like to call "outright lies" "disinformation post
9-11 that got us into Iraq. It stands to reason that the same people would spread "disinformation" again. Behavioral psychologists would tell you
that lying is not only natural, but addictive in some people.
The phenomena in the skies on a regular basis exist. The only problem is that the skies don't lie.
Oh, geeze...why cannot anyone see how illogical this is???
Is it not enough that you see it, Weedwacker?
Cloud seeding is an extension of what they are stating chemtrails to be, and to hyperbolize the argument in such a manner as to imply they are idiotic
for taking the next step and wondering about it is rather short-sighted.
If they do not exist, so be it. It is not, however, a laughable matter when the US government and foreign governments will freely admit to allowing
chemicals to be dropping into clouds. Chemicals that can affect regional areas are allowed to be dropped into the air. How is chemtrails so
different from that?
It is the same thing on a larger scale if it does exist. I, for one, am not pleased with cloud seeding, but no one asked me.
Here: Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to 'spray' terrible chemicals in the skies above the population of the planet, but do it
covertly!! For gosh sakes, DON'T LET THEM SEE YOU do it!!!
Oooops...so, the things that are supposed to be covert are plain to see???
You are creating a fallacious argument. That is not the argument. The argument is not that the results are invisible, it is that the contents are
ermmmmm.....sound like contrails, to me.
It cannot be both, why? Would not the product of cloud seeding leave a "trail"? It does in Moscow. I can't imagine they would do it so
differently in this country.
On another tack, maybe someone will get it....
Anyone can look up the history of major volcanic eruptions in modern times, and the post-eruption studies of thier effects on the
Has the world come to an end?
Technically speaking, and not trying to fear monger, but the Yellowstone Caldera did in fact destroy life on this continent when it was an active
volcano. That's in the textbooks.
But why are you saying they don't exist then arguing that if they do
exist they aren't harmful. That's kind like me saying that Santa
Clause is a cat burglar.
I don't believe in Santa so what's the point in arguing what he does inside someone's house.
Has there been a major de-population event on a gloabal scale?
Having worked in relief I would ask that you take a look at Niger or Ethiopia. Perhaps not in the west but in other parts of the world they have had
major de-population events.
Did all of the sulphur, and other nasty stuff (alleged to be "sprayed' in the so-called "chemtrails" today) cause any permanent physical
harm to people on the planet?
I would say the jury is out on that. I can refer you to Johns Hopkins (great medical center) for their research findings on our "health" and
Because, IF anyone can say "yes" to any of those, then something is terribly wrong with their perception of reality.
That is an assumption on your part meant to get a rise out of people and/or bully them. It is not very nice. No one has been temperamental as yet.
Let's keep that way, yes?
NOW....if anyone wishes to claim that HUMANS can possibly compete with a large volcanic outburst, in terms of mass and quantity of material,
then by all means, PLEASE show us!!!
the argument? *shakes head* I don't think anyone has stated we are are powerful as Mother Nature.
But again...how does this have anything to do with the patents of the OP?
This sounds like debating chemtrails again and we're heading off topic when there are plenty of posts on those, yes?
So back to the patents... Can anyone tell us anything more about them?
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