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Of Ancient Wars and Spacecraft


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reply posted on 24-10-2009 @ 09:36 PM by Skeptical Ed


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With all of this having "happened", how come no aircraft or weapons have ever been found?

Or are we talking superb imagination?



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reply posted on 24-10-2009 @ 09:59 PM by serbsta


Fascinating yet again!

I can only hope you continue to post more of this... maybe turn your head to Egypt? Im sure a lot of members would appreciate that, especially with this level of quality.

One question though.



That object you posted, you only posted the image and no source or name. I was wondering if you could share some more information on that particular object as i find it beyond fascinating.

Cheers. S&F.

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reply posted on 24-10-2009 @ 10:41 PM by SLAYER69




Ok first off

I want one of these for Christmas.

Second great thread.

S & F



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reply posted on 24-10-2009 @ 10:51 PM by KrisFromGenk


Originally posted by Skyfloating
Part 3 of a 3 Part Series. Read Parts 1 and 2 before reading this.



Could someone please guide me to parts 1 & 2 please. Thanks.



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reply posted on 24-10-2009 @ 10:52 PM by Orion65


Originally posted by serbsta
Fascinating yet again!

I can only hope you continue to post more of this... maybe turn your head to Egypt? Im sure a lot of members would appreciate that, especially with this level of quality.

One question though.

files.abovetopsecret.com...

That object you posted, you only posted the image and no source or name. I was wondering if you could share some more information on that particular object as i find it beyond fascinating.

Cheers. S&F.


I'm curious about that pyramid as well.



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reply posted on 24-10-2009 @ 10:56 PM by triplesod


Originally posted by Skyfloating
(in my opinion Gesar could very well be the root of the Russian Tsar and the Latin Cesar).


Great posts, very interesting but if I can just pick up on this.
Caesar comes from the house name of the family and ancestors of Gaius Julius Caesar. The word was used for leader after Julius Caesar and in honour of him. The word Tsar, Ksar, Kaiser and king all come from that origin. So, if Julius Caeser never ruled Rome, we wouldn't have these words now.

Caesar would also have been pronounced with a hard K, too, as in Kaiser.



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reply posted on 24-10-2009 @ 10:58 PM by SLAYER69


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Exactly.

That's the way it was explained to me. Very good eye.



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reply posted on 24-10-2009 @ 11:10 PM by Orion65


Originally posted by KrisFromGenk
Originally posted by Skyfloating
Part 3 of a 3 Part Series. Read Parts 1 and 2 before reading this.



Could someone please guide me to parts 1 & 2 please. Thanks.


Here you go:

Part 1: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Part 2: www.abovetopsecret.com...



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reply posted on 25-10-2009 @ 12:49 AM by Skyfloating


Originally posted by daddyroo45
Imo the Australian "rainbow serpent" has extremly close ties to the Central American "Feathered serpent".




Speaking of Rainbow Serpents...



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reply posted on 25-10-2009 @ 12:49 AM by DayKnightmare


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Having done this he stepped quickly over the silver threshold, Like a mare going to her foal he did not stumble, He stepped over the silver threshold with grace, Like a mare going after her colt, He opened the pearly door beautifully.


Would you cross into the next dimension/REALM for a hot Girl?
You would do it automatically and beautifully



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reply posted on 25-10-2009 @ 12:58 AM by Skyfloating


Originally posted by serbsta


That object you posted, you only posted the image and no source or name. I was wondering if you could share some more information on that particular object as i find it beyond fascinating.




Here you go

(Edit: Also added as a Source in the OP)



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reply posted on 25-10-2009 @ 01:18 AM by Skyfloating


Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
Don't forget that most ancient gods were vengeful, angry and fell prey to human emotion almost more than humans did.



In the OP this is mentioned as evidence that these particular "Gods" are not divine.


They made the gods seem human not because they were humanoid aliens but because it was human beings who were making up the gods to begin with.



Yes, the two major versions are well-known:

Religion: "These Gods were Divine. Lets worship them"
Atheism/Academia: "The Gods were Human / Fantasy"

Ancient-Astronaut-Theory offers something in between, something that matches their behavior which is neither divine nor human.


Arrow's existed at the time and they did sometimes whistle I'm sure;



Really?


So the question is what do these similarities mean, that great myth writers think a like or that true miracles (conducted by gods/aliens) are taking place? Can we truly ever know for sure?



We cant know for sure. But we also cant know for sure that its all just "made up" as you say.


It makes much more sense that what spawned the myth was our imagination



...that all these cultures from around the globe essentially told the same fictitious story? You see, thats what I doubt. Hence this research.


There's no need for it to be real or taken literally.



No? The ancients told us what is fiction and what is history (see for example the Korean myths from Part 1).

You echo the predominant view of modern Academia, which sounds reasonable and all...but there are some holes in that view.


Want to know what I think caused de-evolution? State-Sponsored religion.



Modern Academia which is antagonistic towards Religion if I may add...and from this antagonism has formed a view of ridicule toward all texts mentioning Gods...thereby filtering out what the texts actually say.

The idea of historical accounts being fiction comes from the 16th to 19th Century in which flight and space-travel was considered impossible


Do you think the rays that caused them to hide in the caves could have been better explained by meteor strikes



If they would have meant meteor strikes, wouldnt they have said "balls of fire" rather than rays coming from a flying disc?



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reply posted on 25-10-2009 @ 01:23 AM by Skyfloating


Originally posted by Skeptical Ed
With all of this having "happened", how come no aircraft or weapons have ever been found?



The tales say that the "Gods" left and took all of their stuff with them. Their main bases were in space, not on earth (as the texts say). Some stuff was left. Of that stuff, some decayed in the course of tenthousands of years and other stuff was hoarded by the ruling elite. And yet other stuff was in fact found (see thread "Ancient Extraterrestrials").



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reply posted on 25-10-2009 @ 01:25 AM by Skyfloating


Originally posted by triplesod
Great posts, very interesting but if I can just pick up on this.
Caesar comes from the house name of the family and ancestors of Gaius Julius Caesar. The word was used for leader after Julius Caesar and in honour of him. The word Tsar, Ksar, Kaiser and king all come from that origin. So, if Julius Caeser never ruled Rome, we wouldn't have these words now.

Caesar would also have been pronounced with a hard K, too, as in Kaiser.


Then its just an odd coincidence maybe...

It struck me that Gesar = King, which is what Caesar is too.

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reply posted on 25-10-2009 @ 02:50 AM by nighinfinite


Again Starred & Flagged!

The Sanxingdui Culture is really interesting. I will link some pictures and documentaries on this subject for future references. Even though they are in Chinese but the visuals are still amazing:
www.zrcx.com...

Bronze artifacts
www.guoxue.com...

Jade stone artifacts
www.guoxue.com...

Gold artifacts
www.guoxue.com...

Doc 1 (The first few minutes are interesting, it tries to give you the impression that one of the statue implies some kind of advanced technology. Although the rest of the documentary never touches on that again, it only goes to explore the possibility of Sanxingdui Culture's Ancient Egyptian/Jewish origin.)
v.ku6.com...
Doc 2
v.youku.com...=.html
Doc 3
v.youku.com...=.html
Doc 4 (series)
www.youku.com...


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reply posted on 25-10-2009 @ 02:50 AM by Skyfloating


Originally posted by serbsta
I can only hope you continue to post more of this... maybe turn your head to Egypt?


The three main ones I did on Egypt...

Serapis - Genetically Engineered Hybrid?

The KV-63 Conspiracy

Forbidden Egyptology



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reply posted on 25-10-2009 @ 02:53 AM by mcrom901


any insights to this?

Were we on the Moon in 2309 B.C.?
www.redicecreations.com...




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reply posted on 25-10-2009 @ 03:04 AM by Skyfloating


Originally posted by mcrom901
Were we on the Moon in 2309 B.C.?



The very ancient legend reports that the goddess said the moon is desolate and gray and thats something you can only know if you have been there or have a telescope or by paranormal means. Thats one of many thousands of things skeptics cant just brush off.

As for the article you linked...Im familiar with a lot of it.



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reply posted on 25-10-2009 @ 03:08 AM by SLAYER69


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STOP!

I'm having a hard time keeping up buddy.


Great stuff so far.



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reply posted on 25-10-2009 @ 03:08 AM by Titen-Sxull


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Them having human traits may be evidence they weren't divine but it is hardly evidence that they were aliens. In fact the human-like and flawed nature of the gods is further evidence that they were made up by men, unless of course the aliens are as dangerously unstable as the ancients made their gods out to be.

If an arrow passes someone's head they might say it whistled, whirred, buzzed, zipped, etc all of which involve a similar higher pitched sound whereas a bomb would involve a deeper bass sound.

I'm not saying its all made up but as a skeptic (one who tries to keep an open mind) its best to look at the easiest explanation first. Yes there is evidence of cultures coming up with many similar ideas, deities, but before we look at aliens should we not look at cultural diffusion and the exchange of ideas as we migrated as a species out of Africa? Should we ignore all the differences in the accounts? I have no problem with religion, ancient or otherwise, but when religion is in the hands of those in power in can only be used for evil, my qualms are with state-sponsored religion.

We all know that the accounts have elements of fiction in them blended with history, that's how legend works, particularly when these legends are ancients. Its easy to think how oral stories and traditions changed over time and when society got settled down enough to invent writing the stories became more and more embellished with myth, legend and superstition, cultures borrowed myths from other peoples (Greeks borrow from Egypt borrow from Rome. Hebrews borrow from Sumerians, etc). We have vast stores of fiction today, immense volumes of stories, are more advanced cultures in the future going to discover them and wonder to themselves what was fact and fiction? Are they going to sit down to watch Independence Day and actually believe it took place? I'm not saying their religions are as fictitious as today's entertainment, no for them it was a way of life and a way of recording their beliefs and culture and of making sense of the world from the perspective of the first being with consciousness and language.

I love ancient myths and have made it a hobby of mine studying them its one of the reasons I've followed this series of threads as they do bring up many interesting points. Like I said though, its a big leap from interesting to Aliens



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