Originally posted by Laurauk
Just saw it onthe BBC News website, would not let me upload the ALERT this should be big. Our american cousins let us know whayt is going on please ty.

I don't know what's going on! I haven't met one person who's gotten this flu! I'm just as confused as most you folks across the pond are.

Originally posted by infinite
I take my words of contempt back - Alex Jones was literally right.

The recent emergency procedures and drills in America were designed to make the emergency system operational within months. This was planned.

How was Alex Jones right in this instance? While I know many of you will immediately make the leap from the Declaration of a National Emergency and the streets of the US being filled with National Guard Troops and the imposition of Martial Law, let's wait until we actually see any of that before characterizing that fraud as being correct.

Look, it always makes sense to keep our eyes open and I'm not dismissing the fears some of you have, I am only suggesting that we continue to think clearly and not jump to conclusions.

Would the easiest way to get the "masses"=sheeple to want to get vacinated.....is to create a false shortage and let them "want" it and beg for it....
Then create a story about it and make it seem that all is doomed without it!

I can't prove this, but it makes a whole lot of sence, psychologically, and through basic human nature

Originally posted by HunkaHunka

Now just so you know, I wouldn't take the vaccine before at least many others did to see what the rate of issues stemmed from that in itself. On this I think we agree.

Yes we agree except I won't be taking it at all because, in my area at least, while many have been sick, most have come through it without having to be hospitalized. It just isn't that severe of a illness.

I do have to admit though that I don't take the regular flu shot either.

This is very serious and not good news, it means the government can make vaccination mandatory and lock up those who don't get the vaccine.

I tell you this is WORST CASE SCENARIO!

[edit on 24-10-2009 by kiwifoot]

Originally posted by Night WatchmanWhile I know many of you will immediately make the leap from the Declaration of a National Emergency and the streets of the US being filled with National Guard Troops and the imposition of Martial Law, let's wait until we actually see any of that before characterizing that fraud as being correct.

Look, it always makes sense to keep our eyes open and I'm not dismissing the fears some of you have, I am only suggesting that we continue to think clearly and not jump to conclusions.

Well said, of course we will all wait and see, but I do think that an extra vigilance in watching is called for.

Originally posted by kiwifoot
This is very serious and not good news, it means the government can make vaccination mandatory and lock those who don't get the vaccine up.

I tell you this is WORST CASE SCENARIO!

No, the worst case scenario is if and when they make the vaccination mandatory. But to do that, they'd have to resolve the vaccine inventory problem that we have, and I don't think that chickens are going to lay more eggs (the purported reason behind the shortage of the vaccine), just because Obama tells them to.



[edit on 24/10/2009 by Iamonlyhuman]

Originally posted by kiwifoot
This is very serious and not good news, it means the government can make vaccination mandatory and lock those who don't get the vaccine up.

I tell you this is WORST CASE SCENARIO!

So much for not jumping to conclusions.

There are legitimate reasons for declaring a National Emergency. You do realize that, right? As a poster mentioned earlier, this is precisely what the govt FAILED to do as Katrina was bearing down on NOLA. The lack of pre-emptive action turned into a disaster for the people living in the areas devastated by the Hurricane.

But, of course, some here will always see the apocalypse just around the bend.

Given the fact that they have only produced and shipped about 10% of the h1n1 vaccine that they were hoping to ship, and the fact that right now, many doctors can not order the normal flu vaccine, even if they wanted to. I was wondering the other day how long before this kicked in.

I think their main worry is when the h1n1 mixes with the common flu and realy starts spreading, how do you stop a virus that nasty and that spreadable without med's? Easy , restrict travel, keep people in their own little community and ride it out. Sure many may get sick, but it will be isolated, not wide spread.
Not to mention what happens if the h1n1 mixes with any of the other nast bugs out there, bird flu etc. Sadly its a smart move.
Sure we may hate the idea of being restricted, but if this virus turns nasty, and there is no meds to fight it, what other option is there?

Sure there is always the chance that this is some pre planed much deeper happenings going on, but if you stop and think about it, it makes sence. If this thing mixes with the common cold, and then mutates, where do we stand? No meds to fight it, nothing to stop it, except to restrict people from traveling, which will limit its spread.

[edit on 24-10-2009 by severdsoul]

Originally posted by Night Watchman

There are legitimate reasons for declaring a National Emergency. You do realize that, right? As a poster mentioned earlier, this is precisely what the govt FAILED to do as Katrina was bearing down on NOLA. The lack of pre-emptive action turned into a disaster for the people living in the areas devastated by the Hurricane.

Did you seriously just say that you would have expected the government to declare a national emergency BEFORE the emergency? There is no legal justification, whatsoever, for that. The Katrina response was due to the law prohibiting federal response until the state asked for it. Go read the law again.

That said, yeah, it's a little to early to be jumping to conclusions but we do need to watch this closely.

[edit on 24/10/2009 by Iamonlyhuman]

Visits to the doctor for influenza-like illnesses were also much higher than expected for the time of year, the CDC said.

So, we are not being given the true figure it seems.

New York State on Friday stayed a directive ordering health care staff to be inoculated* or risk losing their jobs.

*Mandatory vaccination

(Quotes taken from the BBC article)

[edit on 24-10-2009 by infinite]

Originally posted by Night Watchman
There are legitimate reasons for declaring a National Emergency.

Absolutely. People should read the thread in the Swine Flu forum about this. Some ATS members' family members are very sick with this. For them, this is an emergency. And the president declaring such makes it easier for them to get what they need.

But the sky is not falling, as some would think (hope?). It's just the government doing what it is supposed to do. Take care of the people.