Insider Reveals Secrets of North America Plot (NAU)

Originally posted by TrueAmerican
ATS announces that attacking the source, and not the message, will get your post marked off-topic.

I wish.

This is why ATS is a disgrace today. Lets go ahead and not cite our sources and not question their validity. We all know that believing without any form of respectable evidence is the way the world should function.

reply to post by chiron613


Are you saying you want to relinquish sovereignty and your right to vote.

Not to mention it's completely unconstitutional.

reply to post by ZombieOctopus


I wouldn't trust WorldNetDaily to tell me the power level of the batteries in the VCR remote that I haven't used in nine years. They have one article that says they personally inspected and verified Obama's birth certificate and then 9 subsequent articles challenging its veracity. They realized they could get more hits on their site by lying and blatantly contradicting themselves in the process. They are worthless neocon shills. They're five steps below Fox News and Fox News is 100ft underground with regard to journalistic integrity.

Honestly I would have no problem with the NAU and getting rid of these borders, BUT when rich and powerful "leaders" come together and try and make the world a better place, it usually ends up with lots of people getting screwed.

Like someone else said, are they just going to give the drug cartels a free pass into America?

Originally posted by whatukno
It's called WND

And it's full of horse dung!

It's the website with less credibility than the National Enquirer.

I would buy the tripe Alex Jones spews or the Bull that Glen Beck shoves out before I would believe anything barfed out by WND.

My thoughts exactly!

Originally posted by TrueAmerican

Co-chair William F. Weld, former Governor of Massachusetts and U.S. Assistant Attorney General, said, "We are three liberal democracies; we are adjacent; we are already intertwined economically; we have a great deal in common historically; culturally, we have a lot to learn from one another."

www.cfr.org...

This bothers me. The US WAS a "representative Republic". Who authorized the constitutional change to a "liberal democracy"? When did that happen? [/sarcasm]



[edit on 2009/10/24 by nenothtu]

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
reply to post by TrueAmerican

 

It's called Convergence and it is inevitable...

Seriously!

Nothing stops progress. There is natural progression. Nothing stays the way it is.

Those trying to keep "the American we know/knew" - aren't dealing in reality. At least the reality of progression.

It's not when - but how & who.

Yep, apparently few actually see this and understand it.

Once again, business knowledge comes in very handy here as convergence occurs in the markets all the time. Not to mention in technology. Even in the biosphere we see convergence through symbiosis which in many ways leads to higher order processes.

Indeed, Convergence is the fundamental element of Emergence, and that is a continual and dynamic process.

[edit on 24-10-2009 by HunkaHunka]

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
Indeed, Convergence is the fundamental element of Emergence, and that is a continual and dynamic process.

You know, just because you have some fancy label for it doesn't mean it's good. And if it was good, then why are so many people fighting the NWO? I mean, the NWO has to be the final natural convergence of all nations, according to your fancy labels. And after that the convergence of all species in the universe, and then of all galaxies, and then of...

Yep, just one big happy family...

"They" being the global elite, need US, the PEOPLE, in order to carry out what they are doing. Even if they succeed in uniting us all under one flag, it may take that for everyone to finally realize that we are ALL ONE. That we've been senselessly killing our own human brothers and sisters. ALL life is sacred, there is no separation, only identity. We've been asleep at the wheel, as a society, while the looters and takers plunder everything. We have the power to change that, we have the power to say no, I believe we should take that power back, and start using it!

Peace to all,
P

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Bravo....I have asked the same question and never get an answer. My best guess, in about or around 1938. Since no one has come up with the exact date, I can only give an educated guess. Prior to that era, they referred to the USA as a Republic. Big difference between the two. Actual our founders totally dismissed the idea of a Democracy, saying history tells us they are doomed to failure.
Sorry for getting off topic, but it does merit discussion. Under a Republic System, NAU would even get tabled. But under a Democratic System, 51% of the vote can make it so. The current climate is that the NAU will rear it's ugly head starting mid to late 2010, with the total collapse of the US dollar as the solution for recovery.

It is my belief that when the NAU is finalized, this will lead to the death of the Constitution. Baed on the fact that all the laws among Mexico, Canada and the United States are going to have to be compormised, this could lead to the elite running rampant with some pretty extreme laws. I hope I am wrong.

Originally posted by ZombieOctopus

Originally posted by TrueAmerican

I can't believe I am arguing sources here in the first few posts of this topic. So I go and dig up the same actual news on CFR's own website, and WND is still crap. :shk:

Anyone got anything to say about the NAU other than where this story came from? Sheesh.

Of course it's relavent where the story came from! How can you say it's not?

If a writer has shown himself time and time again to be incompetent at best and raving mad at worst, it stands to reason that his latest work follows the pattern he's laid out.

The ATS rule you quoted is referring to ad hominem attacks on the OP.

Please understand. I am a nobody and suffered real consequences because someone slandered me without proof and with lies. It happened to me. Therefore, the potential for it to happen elsewhere is likelier than not.

The smart person would consider all sources of information. The ignorant person would slam those he prefers not to acknowledge.

Thanks for the effort in trying to back up your opinion.

Ron Paul sums up the NAU rather nicely:



A man of few, but potent words, in this case.

Do you people understand that the NAU is being organized without the consent of Congress?

And btw, thanks ATS members for the 20 flags, getting this into a more exposed position on ATS. I am glad you are able to discern for yourselves the validity of a story, despite the fact that it comes from WND. I am keeping the faith.

And oh, here- this has nothing to do with WND, and yet says many of the same things:



[edit on Sat Oct 24th 2009 by TrueAmerican]

Just found this article that compliments the recent report by J. Corsi. It also references the same interview with Tom d'Aquino, head of the CCCE.

Lawsuit Would Further Expose Secretive SPP

October 18, 2009

By Dana Gabriel

nauresistance.org... (click on link to view hyperlinks)

It is as a result of Freedom of Information Act requests and other previous legal proceedings that thousands of documents have already been forced into the public eye, shedding some light into the secretive nature of the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP) of North America agenda. The SPP appears to be dead in name only as many of its key priorities continue under the North American Leaders Summit. If a lawsuit brought forth by a U.S. public interest firm is successful, it would further expose the SPP and show how some groups relate inside the whole trilateral process.

In a press release from October 15, 2009, Judicial Watch announced that, “the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia has overturned the district court and ruled that Judicial Watch has standing to bring a lawsuit against the Department of Commerce related to the North American Competitiveness Council (NACC), which was set up under the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP) of North America. Judicial Watch argues the NACC is subject to the open meetings law known as Federal Advisory Committee Act (FACA) and must make its meetings open to the public and must release records relating to those meetings.” Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton stated, “Our objective with this lawsuit is simple: to bring as much transparency as possible to the proceedings of this government-private program. In the spirit of President Obama’s promise to provide ‘unprecedented’ levels of transparency to the inner-workings of government, the Commerce Department should stop stonewalling and open these meetings and documents up to the American people as soon as possible.” As well as attempting to gain access to documents concerning the NACC meetings and activities, Judicial Watch also wishes to become a member of the group.

The NACC was formed in 2006 to ensure that corporate interests were being addressed inside the SPP framework. It is made up of top Canadian, U.S. and Mexican business executives from some of the largest corporations in North America. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce, along with the Council of the Americas, serve as the NACC secretariat in the United States. The Canadian Council of Chief Executives (CCCE) serves as its secretariat in Canada and the Instituto Mexicano para la Competitividad (Mexican Institute for Competitiveness) serves as its secretariat in Mexico. The NACC was the only formal advisory board inside the SPP and much has been made about its influence in formulating policy. The group first met with Canadian Prime Minister Harper, Mexican President Calderon and U.S. President Bush during the North American Leaders Summit in Montebello, Quebec in August of 2007. They also met with the three national leaders at the Summit in New Orleans in 2008.

Despite not being invited to participate in the North American Leaders Summit which took place in Guadalajara, Mexico on August 9-10, 2009, the NACC still prepared a document to advise the leaders before they met. In a Statement to the Leaders in Advance of the 2009 North American Leaders’ Summit it says, “Trilateral cooperation on borders, regulations, energy, and other important issues is essential to the prosperity and security of North America. We and the business communities we represent trust that our advice to date has assisted Leaders in choosing priorities and driving progress. Going forward, the NACC stands ready to offer our ideas and expertise, and we hope the three governments will continue with the NACC.” Stuart Trew of the Council of Canadians concluded that, “The NACC may continue to exist. It might even meet every now and then to dream up new priorities for the three North American governments. But we have successfully robbed these CEOs of their privileged spot inside North American summits.” Last month, Jerome Corsi reported that the NACC continues to operate under the North American Leaders Summit structure, along with more than 20 trilateral working groups. They are further concentrating in areas of North American citizen security, economic competitiveness, energy policy and climate change.

In a recent interview, outgoing CEO and President of the CCCE Thomas d’Aquino stated that, “When President Obama came to power, he faced a lot of pressure to shelve the SPP and not follow through with the NACC because his advisors were looking for an institution that would also involve environmentalists, union leaders, et al. But at the North American Leaders’ Summit in Guadalajara this summer, President Calderon and Prime Minister Harper both told President Obama that the NACC was very useful. In fact, the Canadian NACC group met with our prime minister and his key ministers for an hour and a half on the eve of his departure for the Guadalajara summit. He said that, regardless of whether the NACC continues formally on a trilateral basis, he welcomes our advice on trilateral issues.” It still remains unclear if the NACC will be invited to meet with the national leaders at the 2010 North American Leaders Summit which is expected to take place in Canada.

Top trade officials from all three NAFTA countries are set to meet in Dallas, Texas on October 19 of this year. U.S. Trade Representative Ron Kirk will play host to Canadian Minister of International Trade Stockwell Day and Mexico’s Secretary of the Economy Gerardo Ruiz Mateos. The trilateral meeting is expected to focus on trade, North American business competitiveness, curbing protectionism, and other issues. Despite the demise of the SPP, many of its key components have already been implemented or continue to move forward under the North American Leaders Summit, as well as through other initiatives. It remains to be seen whether the NACC will regain the influence they once had, but regardless, you can be sure that big business will continue to push for deep North American integration. The SPP, along with NAFTA have already laid much of the groundwork for a North American Union.




[edit on 24-10-2009 by 1martinarmy]

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Yup. They just don't seem to understand that if they just CALL it a democracy, yet refuse to take care of the People's Business. The People will eventually get frustrated enough to take care of their own business.

I could see the possibility of some of these militias patrolling the borders of the US, north and south, as a response to the government no longer doing the People's Business, and as a direct challenge to the NAU destruction of national sovereignty.

Yeah, I know there are folks here that will say "never happen. They'd get destroyed." To them I say, "you just hide an watch - and wait a bit". It wouldn't be the first time that the impossible took shape.

well

www.breitbart.com...

looks like the Asians are talking about going with the ASIAN UNion

It is no secret friend. spp.gov...

Some more info.
www.onlinejournal.com...
en.wikipedia.org...

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[edit on 24-10-2009 by Donkey_Dean]

All the evidence is there. All three countries functioning as one unit would be a superpower, unable to be defeated by any other country. This would also be another stepping stone toward a one world government.

reply to post by chiron613


Im sorry but i must reply,

The problem is not the formation of a world government that people fear. It is the very real possibility that we as American Citizens will no longer be protected by the Constitution. (Which in reality never protected us at all) It is the very Fundamental Idea of Individual liberty and Freedom to pursue your dreams that has protected us. It is due to these beliefs at heart that we have advanced through the centuries WHILE maintaing the Constitution.

You see we will always advance as a species in one form or another; Tribalism, Feudalism, Monarchy, Democracy, Communism, Socialism.
Have faith in the species, we have been through many hardships in our Thousands of years and we always overcome as a whole.

However, to witness a true advancement in the INDIVIDUAL well beyond previous standards, one need not look further than the free societies from our past, which slowly progressed through Free Will and Individuality, culminating into what we experience as The United States of America.

As for the CFR and the NAU. Lookinf for answers from the people and organizations that have Constantly and Persistently worked to undermine the structure of our government, economy, military and education sounds to me like complete lunacy.

Forget what you thought you knew about the world. Chances are you were taught from the same textbooks I was, or at least the same publishing companies. 8)

Originally posted by ZombieOctopus
Of course it's relavent where the story came from! How can you say it's not?

If a writer has shown himself time and time again to be incompetent at best and raving mad at worst, it stands to reason that his latest work follows the pattern he's laid out.

The ATS rule you quoted is referring to ad hominem attacks on the OP.

Just because a writer misses the boat on one piece doesn't mean he can't cross the river with flying colors on the next.

And every indication, from other sources, corroborates his claims.

And I did not quote any ATS rule. That was something I made up to illustrate a point.

About the only source these days I will dismiss outright is Scorcha Faal, because that is consistent disinformation. Everything else deserves to be vetted. I will also point out that all of us, just like you and anyone else discrediting this story simply based on that it's from WND, have access to the same other sources that you do. Meaning, that had you gone and checked it out for yourselves, you would have seen that Corsi was dead on with this story, as corroborated by other sources.

I personally believe that once WND was thrust onto the national television scene some time back, the quality and reliability of their stories has increased somewhat. Are they my first choice for news? No. But they are not the last, either. At least they have shown themselves to be relatively free from the chains of big government control the way most MSM is- and their unrelenting chasing of the Obama BC issue I believe proves that point- if nothing else.