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Originally posted by Dark Ghost
1) Can you explain how a loving, benevolent God could create or allow to exist a place where souls will suffer for ETERNITY because of their beliefs/actions in a world where God gave them limited ability to understand his true nature and their purpose?
2) Can you explain how an all-knowing God could allow free will to humans, knowing before they are even created that a very large proportion of humans would choose to do evil and make good people suffer?
3) Why did God give humans free will? Would it not have been more simple to prevent those who choose evil from ever existing in the first place?
4) Why is God, as according to the big religions, so insecure that he needs His creations to pledge allegiance to him, when they are born into a world which allows them to doubt?
If you cannot answer these questions with simple and concise language, then it is my opinion that this video is a fraud and this guy's claims about God's true nature are insulting and deceptive.
[edit on 24/10/2009 by Dark Ghost]
Originally posted by xynephadyn
I am an AVATAR reincarnate,
Originally posted by xynephadyn
The devil himself came to me one night, tempting me--- to Test my stregnth, my love for Good, the light side. I won.
I have high expertise...
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
To all posters, kindly refrain from the topic of NDEs, this man had a revelation from god, not an NDE.
Is Hell real?
Was Hell just a huge rubbish tip on the outskirts of ancient Judea?
Gehenna in the valley of Himom was Jerusalem´s corporation dumping site.
Known as 'Hellas' - this was a vast, sprawling rubbish tip where huge fires constantly burned, where flies and maggots bred and which emanated sulphurious odours and noxious fumes
(fires not quenched/worms that did not die- Mark 9:48).
Heres a picture of it these days-looks quite nice realy:
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/9144ca01d9a4.jpg[/atsimg]
en.wikipedia.org...
Its quite easy to see how a possible misrepresentation occured and,
if looked at objectively (and free from emotive agenda), seems quite a feasible and credible explanation -a little more plausible than the alternative anyway.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by Dark Ghost
If you are basing the reality or truth of one man's statements about his experiences on my beliefs and thoughts that's extremely intellectually dishonest.
His testimony is his alone, I was not there I just shared it with you all. You're more than welcome to ask those questions about God of me and I'd be more than happy to answer them, however they are NOT the topic of this thread and therefore off topic.
U2U me the Qs and I'll answer them. For now the topic is the video and if his testimony changes your thoughts on Hell existing or not.
Thank you for participating in this thread though.
Originally posted by calstorm
First of all I stopped watching as soon as this guy started taking scripture out of context, and manipulating them to back up his claims. I can see why so many non believers has issues with us because of this. Its sad because I think we all do this on some level.
As far as your questions go, they are completely legitimate questions.
Question #1 I can't not answer because my interpretation of scripture makes that irrelevant.
#2 and #3 you answered on your own with question #4
As humans we don't know how Gos mind works. what we consider emotional weakness could be considered a strength in the heavenly realms.
All we know is God gave us free will because he wanted us to choose him. He has the angels how worship him with out choice. Love wouldn't hold the same meaning to you if the person you loved was forced to love you instead of loving you because of who you are. We know god is a perfect being, but His version of perfection could be way different than ours. His logic is so why would his version of emotional strengths and weaknesses be different?
As far as my opinion on "hell" goes, that's for another thread at another time.
Originally posted by Abu Kareem
All those who did not follow thee Koran will face the judgement of Allah.
Fair enough, it was not my intention to go off-topic or antagonise you. I just find it so implausible that people can believe in an all-loving, all-knowing, all-powerful God that would allow the creation of a place where souls will suffer for eternity because they did not follow his rules or believe in him...
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by PontiacWarrior
You posted 21 minutes after I did in the OP, the video is over an hour long.
If you did this for a book report, (read 1/3 of the book), you'd fail.
But I'm satisfied you attempted to watch it.
You're going into a realm outside of the discussion, this thread is not about NDEs.
I have my opinions on such, but if you would like my thoughts start a thread about them and I'll kindly post in it.
thank you for watching a portion of the video.