Is Hell real?, page 1
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reply posted on 23-10-2009 @ 11:11 PM by Titen-Sxull
reply to post by NOTurTypical



I've heard of plenty of Near Death accounts of both Heaven and Hell but I discount them whenever they come from religiously biased people. Any time a preacher, pastor, believer or zealot claims such things I have to consider it simply religious bias, especially when they talk of Hell.

If God is real and He is Loving as most religion claims then there would be no need for Hell (at least not how it is depicted in the self-contradictory descriptions of it given in the Bible). The Fire and Brimstone Lake of Fire nonsense is put there to scare people, they want to say "Oh, you believe you can think for yourself and question what we're telling you is true? WRONG, if you do that, if you don't obey, you BURN and not just your ordinary skin melting torment for a few hours, you burn for eternity."

I, a flawed human being, could NEVER find it in my heart to damn anyone to an eternal Hell, maybe a temporary one (reserved only for people like Hitler), but never an Eternal one.

Its a concept, its not real as far as I can tell. Show me a near death experience of someone who has NEVER even heard the stereotypical Heaven Hell afterlife paradigm and I will show you an unbiased experience that might show us a real window.



reply posted on 23-10-2009 @ 11:20 PM by Titen-Sxull
reply to post by FBIRyan



Actually according to the Bible you go to Eternal Lake of Fire type punishment for things a lot less than doing "it" before marriage. Check out the absurd list in Revelations Chapter 21:

"But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

So everyone who lies on a regular basis (which would be every single human being on the planet) and all who are cowardly (some translations say those who are lacking in courage) apparently go to Hell. So Jesus comes and preaches that the meek will inherit the Earth and all of a sudden those meek folks lacking in courage are getting tossed in with sinners. Oh and apparently all magicians and astrologers and anyone who is "immoral" (most translations say sexually immoral).

the Bible is very inconsistent about it...


reply posted on 23-10-2009 @ 11:41 PM by NOTurTypical
reply to post by PontiacWarrior



You posted 21 minutes after I did in the OP, the video is over an hour long.

If you did this for a book report, (read 1/3 of the book), you'd fail.

But I'm satisfied you attempted to watch it.

You're going into a realm outside of the discussion, this thread is not about NDEs.

I have my opinions on such, but if you would like my thoughts start a thread about them and I'll kindly post in it.

thank you for watching a portion of the video.


reply posted on 24-10-2009 @ 01:07 AM by NOTurTypical
reply to post by Dark Ghost


If you are basing the reality or truth of one man's statements about his experiences on my beliefs and thoughts that's extremely intellectually dishonest.

His testimony is his alone, I was not there I just shared it with you all. You're more than welcome to ask those questions about God of me and I'd be more than happy to answer them, however they are NOT the topic of this thread and therefore off topic.

U2U me the Qs and I'll answer them. For now the topic is the video and if his testimony changes your thoughts on Hell existing or not.

Thank you for participating in this thread though.



reply posted on 24-10-2009 @ 01:52 AM by Diplomat
reply to post by dooper



That is really interesting. Do you have any examples of that? I would really like to see them.


reply posted on 24-10-2009 @ 02:02 AM by xynephadyn
You need to seriously have a Warning on the video about the nausiating christian pushing in this video.

That aside, I would like to discuss the possibilities of this existence.

I personally have had contact with Angels, Demons, and the afterlife. I know they all exist, and I know God isnt all "good and perfect" like some of the bible preaches. God created Jealousy- Hatred- therefore he has it himself. How could he create something he never experienced? Even if he doesent harbor these emotions, he feels them through his creatures that he created called Humans and other life forms- and it has left him with a rather bad taste in his mouth.

for all of my travels in astral space, and to the afterlife, it is clear to me that these places- this place hell existed for this man. He went to a real place- and its real because HIS RELIGION FEAR MONGERS THIS HELL INTO EXISTENCE.

To believe in something is to give it life and creation. Christians who learned or feared hell, and believed they were going to go there when they died- go there.

Buddists, Taoists, Jewish, New Age etc.-- dont go to hell. We dont give it power. I personally know it exists, in different ways, for different species and dimensions-- but I know I am a good soul. I have never intentionally maliciously hurt someone in my entire life, however have been the victim of countless atrocities from family members and ex boyfriends that I know evil exists. And that evil is there- in a place called hell, if they fear it.

There are so many many wandering lost souls in limbo afraid of crossing over from being "thrust to hell" it really makes me very deeply saddened. God really dropped the ball when it comes to interdimensional soul transitions. There arent always guides to show you to the otherside and lots of people get lost inbetween and chose to stay earthbound- which is all they know. How could you blame them?

When I get back up there I plan on changing somethings. I have done hundreds of spirit rescues which in my opinion never should of happened. People always want to beleive that their spirit will immediately cross over but thats really about a 75% chance. the other 25% get stuck- and because of their differing belief systems- limbo is a scary place for most. The need for compassionate people like myself to help these souls is real.

In my opinion, Limbo is equally Hell.


reply posted on 24-10-2009 @ 02:13 AM by Diplomat
reply to post by xynephadyn



You've had contact with Angels and Demons? I don't get how people can say things like that. What exactly do you mean when you say you've had contact with Angels and Demons?
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