Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by badmedia
I'm not using fear, Hell is "scary" because it was intended to be scary. The love of Jesus Christ promotes salvation, not fear.
No man or woman is saved because of fear, or "fire insurance" so to speak. this thread and video is intended to change minds of folks, even some
Christians I said in the OP, who do not believe in a literal Hell.
You have made a straw man argument to my OP. This thread is posted out of love for my fellow mankind.
So am I to assume you still do not believe there is a Hell after watching this man give his testimony? Is my assumption correct?
Thank you for watching the video, that's all I wanted you to do.
You directed the thread to "Non-Believers". That was the title of the thread. What followed is nothing more than fear mongering.
It amounts to "believe what I say, or you will go to hell and face alot of pain" and so forth.
But what parent punishes their child forever? None. A parent gives the child punishment out of love for the child. In order to teach the child a
lesson, so that the child will be better off in the future. If a parent punishes their child for eternity, then it is not for a lesson, but it is
nothing put pure evil and for no purpose other than to cause pain and suffering.
Do you even realize what you are implying about the father when you say these things? Do you even think about things deep enough to see such things?
Do you realize you are making the father out to be worse than even the worse dictators on earth? 1000 times worse than Hitler or others? Do
you have any idea how disrespectful you are to the father?
The riches of the father are more than enough reward for those who honestly seek such, rather than trying to reinforce their own biases and blind
belief. But you know nothing of these riches. There is no understanding in your words, no wisdom, nothing useful. Just the promotion of
fear, and that which is Satanic.
So, in terms of "hell", it works like this. You will reap what you sow. If you sow hellish things, then you will reap hellish things. No
video is needed for this, all you have to do is look out in the world now and your own life lessons. The only way anyone, Satan included, would ever
spend eternity in hell is because it is by their own choice
. Yes, that is right, choice. Because they will keep sowing bad things, and
keep reaping it.
If you put your finger on the stove eye, it will burn you. If you refuse to remove your finger it will continue to burn you. And it will burn you
until you learn the lesson and remove your finger. Once you remove your finger, then the source of the burning is removed. You will still feel
the effects of those choices for awhile, but the healing has begun.
In other words, once you remove and fix your errors, then you are automatically forgiven. Because it is no longer an issue, as you will no longer
make that mistake. This is what it means to repent for your sins. Repent = fix/change, sins = mistakes. It is no different than the stove
eye. You will still reap the mistakes of your past, but in time they will heal and no longer be an issue, as you have fixed the problem.
Forgiveness is instant and automatic.
And it is no different than with a parent and their child. The parent only wants to help the child fix their mistakes. It does the child no good
to punish them for eternity, but it can do them a world of good to get them in response to mistakes. Then the child is actually given a chance to
fix their mistakes. Eternal hell offers no such things.
Luke 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
See that he doesn't come for the righteous? Why not? Because they have already fixed their sins. Instead he comes for sinners. And why? To
bring them to repentance. Again, he comes to show people how to fix their mistakes and sins. He says this directly.
Why is this needed?
Psalm 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for
A good understanding is needed for one to keep the commandments. When Jesus is asked why he speaks in parables, it's so that people can "hear".
Meaning, anyone can listen and repeat his words, but only by understanding do you actually "Hear" him.
Fear in that verse is in terms of like respect, to be in awe of, to even begin to realize how much greater the father is and so forth. To be in fear
of that is not in terms of the way you would fear a shark in the ocean, or hell. It is a fear in the same way you would fear your parents. The
way you do not want to let your parents down and so forth. Fear that you do not disappoint and do well etc. Not fear as in being scared of,
like the bully down the street, or a terrorist.
Which brings us back to the quote I gave you before.
Matthew 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him
twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
proselyte = religious convert btw(I had to look it up my first time).
Why would he be getting onto the pharisees for doing that? Obviously he is saying they are dedicated to doing such, as they will travel the seas to
It's because it does the person no good to convert them to a religion, to indoctrinate them into your traditions and ceremonies and so forth.
Because no matter how much a man will praise "Jesus", at the end of the day what matters is if they are repenting and fixing their sins. Which is
done with understanding, not dogma.
As they are then denied understanding, they continue to make their mistakes, do not repent and are thus made into a child of hell. The entire
purpose of the holy spirit is to give understanding.
And that is all you are really doing. If it was about loving your fellow man, then it would trying to help them repent for their sins, rather than
converting them to a religion out of fear and their own desires to save themselves.
Proverbs 9:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.
Every man will think he is right. This is because if you thought you were wrong, then you would change your mind. No man by choice hopes to be
wrong, although some will surely do things they know is wrong. Check out all of
, it's the inspiration of the last supper in the NT, and
will show you the meaning of it.
When it says people are able to forgive sin with the holy spirit, it's talking about being able to share the understanding so that they can see how
to fix/repent for their sins/mistakes. And then by that, they are forgiven, just like the stove eye.
Really, it's all a matter of how long people will hold their fingers to the stove eye before they realize the source of the heat and remove it.
How bad will things get before people wake up and start to realize what they are doing, and start to question(seek) the real truth and answers to
things - which is all understanding and is available to any man who seeks it regardless of race, culture, class, sex or any other material ways men
want to classify each other because they look at flesh rather than spirit.