The fantasy and controversy of the Nazi UFO's

All the Germans saucers and stories were made up.
Only valid operational free energy flier was the Foo.
The US got the propulsion plans and scientist and destroyed any existing
equipment and set up in New Mexico after von Braun sent for Tesla's
documentation and prototypes.

Ernest Zundel was fed all the saucer material and story from the
CIA under Freedom Of Information Act Requests so he got fed
nonsense as far as some UFO researchers are concerned.

Originally posted by Acharya

There is also rumour that bombs and firearms would go off when placed on the crafts somehow connected to the propultion system I think.

Imagine the implications, no doubt even to their highest desperation at the end of the WWII one can imagine how careful they had to be when distracting the allied pilots. Get too close to the nose or tail of an aircraft and you can say good bye to your technological secrecy down in 32,000 feet.

reply to post by TeslaandLyne

...set up in New Mexico

We have no evidence of such claims except for assumptions and a common modern belief by some that majority of the UFO's seen in the south of America is a fact of post-wwII evacuation of the German saucer bases in the Antarctica due to operation high jump.

Von Brown despite an early gravitational project funded by the so they say CIA in New Mexico pre detainment for espionage by Hitler was indeed a major player to German military society. One example is a V2 rocket. Now logically speaking the Foo fighters were very likely of a German origin since they had been seen in skies of the Eastern Germany and Japan during the last few months of the war (1944 and 1945).

So perhaps all the saucer pictures are nothing more but a hoax, yet the mystery still stands firm that it was evidently controlled by Germany and the implications of carrying weapons on board.



[edit on 10/24/2009 by krystalice]

[edit on 10/24/2009 by krystalice]

Here are some modern day Foo, very agile:


Joy stick control no doubt.
The power coil on a gimbals and away they go.

And Foos over Long Island in UFO Hunters:


So we do not see evidence of any of the so called German
saucers, only of the lightning ship.

Just thought this link would help:

www.youtube.com...

[edit on 24-10-2009 by The_Untold_Truth]

reply to post by krystalice


Bill Lyne is quite convinced that Operation Paperclip piled a lot
of scientists into New Mexico.
Even identifying Alamogordo, NM as housing German saucer pilot
trainers.
Living that area must have helped in any research.
As far as evidence we see, I hardly think we will be handed any.

Look at what was handed out for German saucers.
Not as good as reported on the Foo:
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...
ED: UFO Hunters with Lyne says he saw saucers:
www.youtube.com...


[edit on 10/24/2009 by TeslaandLyne]

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
Here are some modern day Foo, very agile:

Joy stick control no doubt.
The power coil on a gimbals and away they go.

And Foos over Long Island in UFO Hunters:

So we do not see evidence of any of the so called German
saucers, only of the lightning ship.

That is a good footage of the agile UFO's. Perhaps the reason they are perceived so bright is probably because they have a very shiny metallic reflection from other light areas or they intentionally switch their lights on for attention.

See below, they seem to appear much thicker when filmed.

I remember when that Mexico event happened.
I was on a net board and someone posted the news from a
UK news page.
The mod goes on saying he was told not to let the post stand.
So thats how I first heard.

I gave a post at youtube for:
www.youtube.com...
Belgian Air Force chased Triangle craft back over their Western Border,
Germany.
Not ET technology.
High voltage has a physical pressure as Tesla discovered so its all
from Tesla technology which is occulted, you won't find it anywhere
except one place in New Mexico.

The bottom light must have some radar reflection as the craft itself
seemingly bends the light and radar signal.

The bottom light is a result of carriers of force that hold up the craft
from above and terminate at the craft giving off radiation at the
bottom that lights up the air.

I know, where have we heard that before.
So thats the trail or tale I found so far.

Originally posted by krystalice
reply to post by Acharya

 

Note the gun port on the bottom of the craft.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/f298b630f308.jpg[/atsimg]


[edit on 10/24/2009 by krystalice]

The gun port you mention is the one which was also used for the Panther Tank
Watch this as well from 8:40 onwards. It contains a picture shot from underneath and they morph it with a blueprint of the Panther.



[edit on 24-10-2009 by Regenstorm]

reply to post by Regenstorm


Yes, but where are the original sources from?

reply to post by 1llum1n471


The "original" report is in hand of people that want to remain anonymous. They are afraid it will be taken away and destroyed by the police because it will be classified by them as Nazi propaganda.
Bits and pieces, witnesses circumstantial evidence and documents. That's all there is. The trouble is that all scientists, documents and (slave) labourers were evacuated before Germany was occupied.

There is a saying surrounding this topic.

"Who doesn't know speaks, those that do know don't speak".

[edit on 24-10-2009 by Regenstorm]

Perhaps the controversy is surrounded by many elaborated over fantasisied capabilities of the NAZI saucer technology, thus one of the members on this forums by the name of Mrwiffler sums up conventionally all the recovered so called secret technologies.

German saucers

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/568dba5471e7.jpg[/atsimg]

And more

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/6f1f9e762977.jpg[/atsimg]

[edit on 10/25/2009 by krystalice]

reply to post by krystalice


You might enjoy this page. It's in Japanese, but the photo collection is extraordinary. You'll notice the Horten "Parabel". It should look quite familiar

www2s.biglobe.ne.jp...

[edit on 25-10-2009 by 1llum1n471]

Originally posted by 1llum1n471
reply to post by krystalice

 

You might enjoy this page. It's in Japanese, but the photo collection is extraordinary. You'll notice the Horten "Parabel". It should look quite familiar

www2s.biglobe.ne.jp...

[edit on 25-10-2009 by 1llum1n471]

That is marvelous; we can cetainly see some disgiushing similar aspects between an American B2/B117 bomber and Horten H IX/Horten H XVIII.

www2s.biglobe.ne.jp...

Originally posted by 1llum1n471
reply to post by krystalice

 

You might enjoy this page. It's in Japanese, but the photo collection is extraordinary.

Then you should also visit www.luftarchiv.de, after entering click "English" to get english texts.

Here is a color picture from LuftArchiv.de of the Horten:


Edit: The site has no mention of the Hanebu or Vril crafts though.

[edit on 25-10-2009 by Acharya]

reply to post by krystalice


This is all been confirmed and proven stuff. The "Flügelrad" was originally invented by Andreas Epp and it were the Horten brothers whom designed the Horten airplanes.
A couple of years ago it was still heavily denied by the German government that there were any saucer projects during WW2. But what did they have to hide? Not these conventional air machines.

Some researchers suggest that the Haunebu crafts were propelled by rotating mercury and that makes this topic very interesting.

Originally posted by Regenstorm
reply to post by krystalice

 

Some researchers suggest that the Haunebu crafts were propelled by rotating mercury and that makes this topic very interesting.

Yeah, that sub, U-864, has been in the media alot this year here in Norway, as the local wants it cleaned up. The Norwegian Government has now decided to raise the sub in 2010, earlier they only wanted to cover it up with rubble. The sub is located at 160 meters below the sea.

Edit: Added video



[edit on 25-10-2009 by Acharya]

reply to post by krystalice


I think I can help with your question about Schriever and the Haunebu/Vril saucer sketches.

These are actually two quite separate strands. In early 1950 Guiseppe Belluzzo, a turbine engineer and former Italian fascist minister, claimed partial responsibility for the designs behind recent saucer sightings. He said they had first been designed in Italy in 1942, and then developed by the Germans.

Rudolf Schriever, who was working for the US Forces in Germany, delivering copies of the newspaper 'Stars and Stripes' to army bases, made very similar claims in a general flying saucer article in 'Der Spiegel' for March 30 1950. He, too, claimed only that he developed blueprints, starting in 1942, which he believed later fell into the hands of the Americans or Germans. The article first introduced a wonderfully infeasible drawing/diagram which looked like something designed by Otto Lilienthal, who created flying machines before the Wright Brothers. It had nothing in common with the later Haunebu/Vril schematics, and Schriever appeared to have no clue what it used for power.

As I posted recently in another thread, the Haunebu/Vril story was invented much later. So far as I can tell, the ‘Haunebu saucer’ schematic – unnamed - first emerged on a right-wing stall at an exhibition in Hanover in 1978. On the same pamphlet were some of the claims of Nazi presence and superiority in the Antarctic that have been repeated so often since.

The names ‘Haunebu’ and ‘Vril’ don’t seem to have appeared until after 1990, introduced by Vladimir Terziski, a co-worker of Al Bielek of Montauk Project fame, or infamy. Terziski seems to have introduced the flights to Mars and the Moon, too, together with ideas about Nazi back-engineering from earlier crashes.

reply to post by Snippy23


VRIL has been around since the early 30s. There is evidence for that!

reply to post by Regenstorm


Even before the 1930's! Your link is to the German Wiki - as the English Wiki explains, it was actually invented as a mysterious, fictional substance in Edward Bulwer Lytton's early sci-fi novel 'The Coming Race' in 1871. It wasn't the name of a flying saucer then, and I can't find any record of it being used in that way until Terziski's fantasies of Nazi excellence were published.