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Topic started on 23-10-2009 @ 06:49 PM by GideonHM

NTSB: Cockpit recorder might not contain airliner's 'silent hour'





WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The cockpit voice recorder from Northwest Flight 188, which flew past the Minneapolis airport during a mysterious 78 minutes of radio silence Wednesday night, was capable of recording only 30 minutes of audio, federal accident investigators said Friday.

Authorities are reviewing the plane's cockpit voice recorder as well as its flight data recorder. It was in the air for another 45 minutes after radio contact was restored, meaning that if the recorder was working properly anything the pilots would have said during the time they were not answering radio calls would have been recorded over.

But a former accident investigator told CNN the voice recorder may still prove valuable, because the pilots could have discussed the earlier events on the way back to Minneapolis.

The Airbus A320, carrying 147 passengers and an unknown number of crew members, was flying at 37,000 feet, according to the National Transportation Safety Board.

The NTSB said the pilots of the plane did not respond to air traffic control beginning about 7:56 p.m. Eastern Time as the plane was in the Denver region, and re-established radio contact about one hour and 18 minutes later, when they had flown 150 miles past their destination.

The pilot told controllers he had been distracted. When air traffic controllers finally made contact with the pilot, his answers were so vague that controllers feared the plane might have been hijacked, according to a source familiar with the incident.


Link to full article:
www.cnn.com

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reply posted on 23-10-2009 @ 06:54 PM by GideonHM
reply to post by GideonHM



Hello all,

I was scanning CNN.com as I usually do, and I found that although this somewhat unusual incident may most likely have a perfectly rational explanation, there have been unusual experiences by pilots in the past that also involve missing time, disorientation, etc. that I think deserves a second look.

Any ideas as to why this could have happened, and if so what do you think will come of this?

Thanks!


reply posted on 23-10-2009 @ 08:43 PM by GideonHM
reply to post by EnlightenUp



Yeah, and they are outdated enough to justify their explanations. Where is the audio? Uhhh.... It... copied over itself! I would figure tampering with the device is out. Don't they need specialized, rather large, immobile equipment to retrieve the audio?

If they did something they didn't want revealed, I doubt the black box would short out, and it should function throughout the flight, from my presumption of how a solid state recorder works at least.


reply posted on 23-10-2009 @ 08:45 PM by GideonHM
reply to post by hoghead cheese



That is pretty crazy though. Both pilots asleep, and they are able to tamper with the box? There would have had to be some sort of tampering so they could cover their behinds in this case.

I am going to see what I can find on black boxes. It should be interesting.

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reply posted on 23-10-2009 @ 09:05 PM by EnlightenUp
Originally posted by GideonHM
reply to
post by EnlightenUp



Yeah, and they are outdated enough to justify their explanations. Where is the audio? Uhhh.... It... copied over itself! I would figure tampering with the device is out. Don't they need specialized, rather large, immobile equipment to retrieve the audio?


Honestly I can't answer that but that seems so very 1970's or something. I would think a laptop would suffice once the ports are exposed or the memory chips can be removed. How could that require any bulky electronics? Using compressed audio you could record dozens and dozens of hours even at high quality.

They can't possibly still be using analogue recording for the voice?!?

If they did something they didn't want revealed, I doubt the black box would short out, and it should function throughout the flight, from my presumption of how a solid state recorder works at least.


Recording flight data shouldn't take very much bandwidth. Only the voice recorder appears to be the issue here.

Some aspects of these boxes just really seem to be lagging behind cheap digital audio players with recording functionality.



reply posted on 23-10-2009 @ 09:35 PM by spacecase7717
reply to post by hoghead cheese



That was my first thoughts also, but if it was on autopilot wouldn't some kind of alarm sound when they passed their destination Or does it not work that way ?


reply posted on 24-10-2009 @ 06:50 AM by GideonHM
reply to post by bagari



Yeah, this certainly shows precedent for a pilot and copilot to zonk out. Just, even still it is really unusual for both of them to fall asleep at the same time.

Must be that one let the other nap and number two then followed suit?
This is going to leave a bad taste in my mouth no matter how I look at this.

I keep wanting to say depressurization may be the cause. If you lose oxygen slowly you could pass out, and only wake up upon the door being opened. With all the collective problems with the airlines these days, I wouldn't be surprised.


reply posted on 24-10-2009 @ 07:11 AM by Pilgrum
reply to post by GideonHM



The CVR can be erased from the cockpit but only when the aircraft is on the ground as I was told by a very qualified pilot. Of course it is possible to 'fake' those indications (of being stationary on the ground) as far as the CVR logic is concerned from the cockpit during flight, not that any pilot would ever actually want to do that or would they?

Who knows




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reply posted on 24-10-2009 @ 10:22 AM by GideonHM
reply to post by Bad Dog



Maybe my faith in their supposed piloting skills is higher than yours, but this quote from the article points to an FAA hand in this.

www.cnn.com

"My real question is why we did not know of the 'radio out' situation from the FAA sooner," the officials said. "The FAA is also looking into that," the official told CNN.


Sure, I completely agree with you on that there is not a shred of evidence that illustrates odd happenings outside the realm of human error, tech error, etc. Yet, the FAA's reaction smells fishy to me, in that they should have simply taken better care of the situation.

I saw a glimpse of the live CNN report on TV with an angry man saying there is no way they both could have fallen asleep, with the system that give a warning alarm, the fact there are two pilots, and the rest of the crew.

I have noticed that clique behaviors in the professional world are on the rise.
A person from the FAA might have tried to cut them some slack perhaps?








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reply posted on 24-10-2009 @ 10:24 AM by GideonHM
reply to post by Pilgrum



I want to hear from the crew, I will look into this.
Something is amiss.


reply posted on 24-10-2009 @ 06:17 PM by Eurisko2012
reply to post by GideonHM



Just give them a lie detector test. When they fail then that will be the end of it.
They both fell asleep.
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