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Originally posted by GoldenFleece
reply to post by mmiichael
Oh, I see. You finally admit there was very little external damage to WTC 7. But now you claim the building damage magically occurred internally? Maybe the wreckage from the twin towers burrowed underground and came up through WTC 7?
That's right up there with Swampy's "exploding cleaning products" theory!
Originally posted by mmiichael
All outline in laborious detail with pictures, graphs, etc.
You are incapable of reading anything with any analytical depth so why bother regurgitating the same Kiddie Konspiracy Krap.
Some 9 year olds reading this thread need informing.
The failure of column 79 was pivotal in the subsequent global collapse. As shown in the computerized non-linear structural model, its failure initiated the vertical collapse progression. WTC 7’s properties of load transfer at floors 5 and 7, when combined with the failure of column 79, led to a horizontal collapse progression, which in turn ultimately resulted in global collapse.
[...]
1) Debris from the collapse of WTC 1 and WTC 2 caused damage from impact and fire.
2) Fire significantly weakened structural steel and caused the failure of one or more of the columns on the eastern side of the building, as evidenced in the sinking of the east penthouse. This indicated a vertical progression of failure from the damage on the lower floors to the failure of the penthouse on the roof.
3) The sinking of the west penthouse, as well as the shifting of a clear kink from the east penthouse towards the middle of the structure, indicates that the collapse then progressed horizontally, as the localized failure of the eastern columns was distributed to the other columns through the transfer elements at floors 5 through 7.
4) Global collapse was the ultimate result.
Ramon Gilsanz, P.E., S.E. is a partner at Gilsanz Murray Steficek, a structural engineering and building envelope consulting firm. Ramon has 25 years of structural experience in a wide range of projects types and sizes as well as being involved in the cleanup at ground zero, the selection of WTC steel remnants for analysis, the ASCE-FEMA WTC report, and the ensuing NIST report. He can be reached at [email protected].
Willa Ng is a civil engineer working in New York City. Willa performed research and analysis for the World Trade Center 7 section of the ASCE-FEMA WTC report while employed at Gilsanz Murray Steficek. She can be reached via email at [email protected].
.The National Construction Safety Team Act will ensure that the mishandled evidence and in-fighting that hobbled FEMA’s World Trade Center investigation never happens again.
Originally posted by Nutter
reply to [url=http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread513102
You can be as nasty all you want. It only reflects upon you.
Now, let's see what their own government thinks of their "investigation".
.The National Construction Safety Team Act will ensure that the mishandled evidence and in-fighting that hobbled FEMA’s World Trade Center investigation never happens again.
www.house.gov...
Again I will point out that the house.gov is not one of those "damn fool conspiracy" sites.
Originally posted by mmiichael
You should not that the article you linked to is from 2002. The STRUCTURE magazine article is dated November 2007. Not only were the people writing the article independent, but they had the benefit of 5 years, far more data than had been initially available, and further forensic analysis, accounts, and photographs from which to form conclusions.
"Thousands of tons of steel were carted away from ground zero and recycled before any expert could examine what could have been tell-tale clues. Support trusses, fireproofing fragments and even burnt out electrical switches that might have given scientists and engineers insight were lost forever - even before an investigation was underway.
Other articles were noted at the end of the piece, and the information is not only consistent with the evidence but also stacks up with the findings of others.
Originally posted by Nutter
The really important part that you should note from my link in 2002 is the fact that the forensic evidence was gone before these people even looked at it. So how can 5 more years of looking at no new evidence help? Except of course to come up with more conjecture since they f*ed up the first time around.
Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by GoldenFleece
Can always tell a truther - will post some picture of NORTH face and then
start jabbering
"See there are no fires...."
South face of WTC 7 was slashed open - most of the fires were started on
that side
Look at this video from Steve Spak - only one which shows South face
www.911myths.com...
Can see smoke from multiple fires pushing out from building
Also Spak films North face - watch the fires extending out the windows
and spreading up the building.....
Originally posted by mmiichael
Debunkers are people getting rid of bunk.
Around here you need an battalion of forklifts.
The "Pull it" Prize.
Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by GoldenFleece
Can always tell a truther - will post some picture of NORTH face and then
start jabbering
"See there are no fires...."
Originally posted by thedman
South face of WTC 7 was slashed open - most of the fires were started on
that side
Originally posted by thedman
Look at this video from Steve Spak - only one which shows South face
www.911myths.com...
Can see smoke from multiple fires pushing out from building
Originally posted by thedman
Also Spak films North face - watch the fires extending out the windows
and spreading up the building.....
wtc.nist.gov/comments08/josephNobleswtc7comments.pdf
A section of this footage is in wide circulation on the Internet, and is used by alternate theorists to pretend that the collapse of WTC 7 took only 7 seconds. However, they only show the last 7 seconds where the exterior followed the rest of the interior columns.
This video is so iconic among alternate theorists that the wider availability of the full collapse video from CBS would help demonstrate their fantasies perhaps even to themselves. The sight of the east penthouse collapsing into the building, the building’s shudder, the breaking windows as the debris falls inside, and the clear east-west collapse of the screen wail and west penthouse is a clear visual antidote to the poison created in the truncated footage out there.
Originally posted by SphinxMontreal
there is this little nugget of information about Larry Pull It and his financiers:
"Silverstein began a 99-year lease from the Port Authorities of NY and NJ, who owned the WTC, beginning in June 2001. He was required by his lenders to get $3.5 billion of insurance on the properties, even though previous lessees only had to be insured for a little over 1/3 that amount."
Tripling your coverage and making a claim for policy limits within three months is enough to set off at least one red flag at the insurance fraud division.
Originally posted by mmiichael
It was pointed out in print sometime around 2002
Originally posted by Nutter
Originally posted by mmiichael
It was pointed out in print sometime around 2002
I'm not ragging on you.
Did you mean 2002? Or 2001?