Originally posted by Aggie Man
We do not evolve based upon thought or consciousness.

Just my 2-cents

That's where your are wrong.

Its only the concept of life that makes the concept of value possible.

Humans are not like animals or plants.

A plant must feed it self in order to live. The sunlight the water the chemicals it needs are the values its nature has set it to pursue. Its life is the standard of value directing its actions. But a Plant has no choice of actions. There are alternatives in the conditions it encounters, but there is no alternative in its function. It acts automatically to further its life. It can not act for its own destruction.

An animal is equipped for sustaining its life. Its senses provided with a automatic code of action. An automatic knowledge of what is good for it or evil. It has no power to extend its knowledge or to evade it. In conditions where its knowledge proves inadequate it dies. But so long as it lives it acts on its knowledge. With automatic safety and no power of choice. It is unable to ignore its own good. Unable to decide to choose its own evil and act as its own destroyer.

Man has no automatic code of survival. His particular distinction from all other living species is the necessity to act in the face of alternatives. By means of volitional choice. He has no automatic knowledge of what is good for him or evil. What values his life depends on. What course of action it requires. An instinct of self preservation is precisely what man does not possess. An instinct is a unerring, an automatic form of knowledge. A desire is not a instinct. A desire to live does not give you the knowledge required for living. Even mans desire to live is not automatic. Your fear of death is not a love of life. And will not give you the knowledge needed to keep it. Man must obtain his knowledge and choose his actions. By a process of thinking. Which nature will not force him to preform. Man has the power to act as his own destroyer. And that is the way he has acted through most of his history.

Man has to be man by choice. He has to hold his life as a value by choice. He has to learn to sustain it by choice. He has to discover the values it requires and practice his virtues by choice. A code of values accepted by choice. Is a code of morality.

Originally posted by spy66
Humans are not like animals or plants.

Humans ARE animals. You didn't get the memo?

I think your definition of Evolution is just that...it's yours. I'm speaking of textbook evolution. Science developed the theory of evolution. I think science knows best how to define it.

[edit on 23-10-2009 by Aggie Man]

Originally posted by Aggie Man

Originally posted by spy66
Humans are not like animals or plants.

Humans ARE animals. You didn't get the memo?

I think your definition of Evolution is just that...it's yours. I'm speaking of textbook evolution. Science developed the theory of evolution. I think science knows best how to define it.

[edit on 23-10-2009 by Aggie Man]

Yes they have the right to make up their own theories. And yes we are animals by their standard. But we are as different as day and night.

Physical evolution. An energy thought created world to self evolve.

Like a video game. An energy thought world for various experiences. Each thought experiences creates a follow up thought experiences.

Kind of like a "picture is a thousand words". Physical gives a visual of thought.

Originally posted by Conclusion

Evolution. Evolving continually in order to survive. The survival of the fittest. What if there was no global catastrophic event happens to halt it. Then evolution would be continual. No end. We would be evolving through Infinity.

Actually, I think it'd be the opposite.

Evolution is all about groups of one species having to change to adapt to a changing environment. If there was no change then there would be no evolution.

It's catastrophes that speed up evolution - though they don't need to be global. Hence 2 groups of the same species my find themselves seperated. One experiences a change in environment and evolves to survive it, the other does not. Thus a new species appears - but it's ancestral species may still exist (hence, homo sapien may have coexisted on Earth alongside homo erectus)

With no environmental change there will nbe little or no evolution. Without the odd meterorite impact, flood basalt eruption or plate tectonics we'd still all be dinosaurs.

Originally posted by Essan

Originally posted by Conclusion

Evolution. Evolving continually in order to survive. The survival of the fittest. What if there was no global catastrophic event happens to halt it. Then evolution would be continual. No end. We would be evolving through Infinity.

Actually, I think it'd be the opposite.

Evolution is all about groups of one species having to change to adapt to a changing environment. If there was no change then there would be no evolution.

It's catastrophes that speed up evolution - though they don't need to be global. Hence 2 groups of the same species my find themselves seperated. One experiences a change in environment and evolves to survive it, the other does not. Thus a new species appears - but it's ancestral species may still exist (hence, homo sapien may have coexisted on Earth alongside homo erectus)

With no environmental change there will nbe little or no evolution. Without the odd meterorite impact, flood basalt eruption or plate tectonics we'd still all be dinosaurs.

I dont think catastrophes are any catalyst to evolution of species. Its rather a catalyst for species to change location if they can escape. And if they have to move to a new location that they cant adjust to very fast they will die. By adjusting i mean finding food and keeping its bodily temperature at the degree it needs to be for it to live.
Evolution is a very slow process, a catastrophe is not.

Evolution is the ultimate route to extinction in the end. We humans are the only species that can alter our own destination by a process of thinking and making choices. This is a process no other species can do.




[edit on 27.06.08 by spy66]

Evolution isn't even beneficial in some cases, I don't see how people think it'll end up with us becoming gods.

Originally posted by Conclusion
I have been thinking about this for a while now. If this is not the proper place to post please move the thread for me...thx.

Evolution. Evolving continually in order to survive. The survival of the fittest. What if there was no global catastrophic event happens to halt it. Then evolution would be continual. No end.

So evolution could in all probability prove the existence of God.

I think evolution is a forced proposition. To wit: So long as there is an imperfection in the existential make-up of a species or race, there will be evolution to overcome the obstacle(s).

In short, we change as needed and once we have arrived at some perfect ending, we will have indeed arrived. After that, we can visit the floating bar and sit back to watch all those still learning to swim in the pool of life.

sorry but cant stayn silent
There is one flaw in Your reasoning- if there was such a thing as evolution, and we are not quite sure, the Evolution as postulated by the sciencists is over for the human kind...at least for the the Westen Culture and civilised parts of it we can say more about de-Evolution...
Why? simply: evolution is the survival of the fittest...where you can see it in the West?? The new born deaths rate is infinitely close to zero. And teoreticly the fittest as winner always is able to spread his genes to the next generations.
How many top sciencists has more than 1-2 children?? And who is breeding without limit??? Atetntion!- Im not judging them but the final product of our world will be not pure energy but rather the social aid "raper" peoples...

Originally posted by redoubt

Originally posted by Conclusion
I have been thinking about this for a while now. If this is not the proper place to post please move the thread for me...thx.

Evolution. Evolving continually in order to survive. The survival of the fittest. What if there was no global catastrophic event happens to halt it. Then evolution would be continual. No end.

So evolution could in all probability prove the existence of God.

I think evolution is a forced proposition. To wit: So long as there is an imperfection in the existential make-up of a species or race, there will be evolution to overcome the obstacle(s).

In short, we change as needed and once we have arrived at some perfect ending, we will have indeed arrived. After that, we can visit the floating bar and sit back to watch all those still learning to swim in the pool of life.

There is no destination for us to reach. The destination is only a human virtue. The purpose of life is to live. There is no other purpose.

Scientifically speaking the natural end to evolution is extinction.

All creatures are meant to get extinct.

As for modern day humanity, due to medical science and the like, one may be duped into thinking that we as a species are not evolving but on the contrary evolution is an ongoing process. Some evolutionary mutants may be ignored if they severely affect a person's life but other favorable mutations that make people smarter, stronger etc are allowed to propagate through out the human gene pool.

Pretty soon when selective embryonic genes can be manipulated, most babies will have all the negative traits taken out of their DNA eliminating the need for a LOT of medical care. In essence humanity will be able to direct its own evolutionary path.

Ultimately, it is not nature but humanity itself that will decide what we will become as a species.

Evolution is a scam

Do you know of any one creature that has "evolved" into another creature?

Like a land creature into a whale. Sounds nice in theory but the reality is much different.