Mainstream media is now reporting the fox fabrication, it's all over digg/reddit and more. Looks like fox fails again. All you Obama bashers in here should feel pretty foolish now... defending an entertainment network fabricating bulls*(&t.

[edit on 24-10-2009 by reasonable]

Anyone with half a brain already knows that Fox "News" is nothing of the sort.
Any network that would plan, organize and promote a march on Washington as a tool to protest the President and everything he has ever touched is a propaganda outlet posing as real news.

Everytime I turn it on, there's some new story about Obama the communist, baby blood drinking, puppy kicker.

Originally posted by RDR17
I have lost all faith in you Liberals! What happened to anti-establishment? Government is the establishment people!

You commit so many fallacies its absurd. Always a good strategy to attack the person or in this case the media outlet, rather than the point that is being made. It shows that you really can't defend your opinions.

The only flaw in your argument is that the points being made are usually demonstrably false.

It's too bad, Fox News is a terrible excuse for a news company.

Originally posted by treemanx
I love it when people say that Fox News is not fair or balanced, or truthful. Its a highlighter on their ignorance. If these people knew what the truth of any news story was, to call it true or untrue, they wouldnt need to watch the news in the first place since they already knew!

The fact is, you cant call a news station unworthy of reporting from the White House based upon your ideology. Just because you may not agree with Glen Beck or the way they report the news, doesnt make them any less credible than any other news station. It makes them the other side of your coin.

Just because they are mostly unwilling to be a WH propaganda hand puppet, doesnt mean they should be shut out. In fact they, more so than any other stations, should be first in line because of that! Balance means hearing opposing opinions, and finding the truth somewhere in the middle usually.

Its amazing to me how many people posted here that they didnt find any fault with the Obama Admins attempt to shut Fox out. Apparently they desire to be treated like a mushroom. Fed s**t and kept in the dark.

I know right? Kind of like how Bush refused to talk to the NYT for 8 straight years and moved Helen Thomas to the back of the press room and refused to call on her, to name only two.

But what Obama's doing is sooooooo unfair! Boo hoo hoo!

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic


FOX calls itself a News organization, but they are organizing anti-government protests, and supporting an anti-government agenda. I think the government has the right to defend itself against such an onslaught. I believe that's what's going on here.

I have to disagree with this.

Fox has not organized any anti-government protests.

They did cover the tea party protests to the chagrin of the Obama administration.

Fox does not have an anti-government agenda.

Certain hosts on Fox have called out the administration for certain choices that it has made, like appointing officials who are on record as supporting an overthrow of the basic principles of our government, our economy, and our way of life.

The role of the media is to keep the government in check by informing the people.

Everyone has noted, not the least of whom were the other Democrat candidates, that the media was in the back pocket of Obama, except for Fox.

That is why Hillary Clinton, Bob Beckel, and Terry McAuliffe all heaped praise on Fox during the campaign, because Fox was the only place they or their candidates could get a fair shake.

McAuliffe denied this a couple of nights ago, but Karl Rove presented a copy of an article quoting his statements. He was quite sheepish.

Any suggestion that the media controls the administration and specifically that Fox tries to control the administration is a straw man argument.

Our government is by the people for the people and of the people and an informed citizenry is the only way that this can work and an independent media is essential to that process.

[edit on 2009/10/24 by GradyPhilpott]

Originally posted by Angus123

Kind of like how Bush refused to talk to the NYT for 8 straight years and moved Helen Thomas to the back of the press room and refused to call on her, to name only two.

When did this happen?

Any substantiation?

I don't recall Thomas being moved to the back of the press room.

Originally posted by Angus123

Any network that would plan, organize and promote a march on Washington as a tool to protest the President and everything he has ever touched is a propaganda outlet posing as real news.

This completely untrue.

Fox has not planned, organized, or promoted any marches.

Fox has covered protests and perhaps promoted their coverage of those protests, since the other networks refused to do so, but any suggestion that Fox did this is a lie--a big fat lie.

Again, I ask for substantiation.

Oh, as to Fox fabricating the story of the White House cutting Fox out of the czar interview, it's just too late to try to debunk a story that too many others have confirmed.

When Democrat politicians and other Democrat movers and shakers have condemned the effort, there has to be more than just a fabricated story.

Everyone who's any one knows what happened and the honest ones have spoken out.

When a "media source" like fox news is creating the news (by arranging these protests) instead of reporting it, then they lose their status as a legitimate media outlet in my opinion.

EDIT: Fox News now has the status of political activist IMO.

[edit on 24-10-2009 by Aggie Man]

You know what is really ironic about this argument regarding FoxNews and its alleged involvement with the "Tea Parties"?
The entire "Tea Party" idea was STARTED by Rick Santelli on CNBC, which is owned by MSNBC and General Electric, both known OBAMA worshipers.
This is really funny- blaming FOXNews for something STARTED by MSNBC and its subsidiary.

People that continue to bash FOXNews should remember Pastor Niemoeller and his famous quote:

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.

For all the screaming about George Bush, he NEVER excluded ANY network from conferences or any other event, even when Keith "madman" Olbermann called him every name in the book.

I will not debate this issue, because I understand that Obama supporters take it as a matter of faith that he is infallible. Thus, logic never enters into their statements.