White House Loses Bid to Exclude Fox News From Pay Czar Interview

Mainstream media is now reporting the fox fabrication, it's all over digg/reddit and more. Looks like fox fails again. All you Obama bashers in here should feel pretty foolish now... defending an entertainment network fabricating bulls*(&t.

[edit on 24-10-2009 by reasonable]

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Would you care to provide links because I did not find any on Digg or Reddit.

[edit on 24-10-2009 by StupidMonkeyMan]

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Here's just what I found with a quick google search:

Original Blog Post

Digg

Huffington Post

And I personally think it's childish how Liberals and Conservatives are both acting like children when it comes to anything anymore. I remember a couple months ago when they had that whole Boss Limbaugh thing on Keith Olbermann and people didn't seem to think that was very childish? Watch this video and tell me this doesn't sound like two 12 year old kids fighting with each other verbally. And hearing Olbermann actually pronounce the letters WTF for his WTF!?! moment segment or the fact that they decided to put up a "Limbaugh Logo" and you call any of these mainstream garbage networks reputable. Liberals fight with conservatives and vice versa and then the mass public eats up this same mindless drivel and spews it to their Liberal or Conservative friends saying exactly what they heard on tv because they can't take the 5 minutes it takes to digest the information and "think" for themselves for a second and have their own opinion. People should really do themselves and everyone else a favor and actually put a little bit of effort into their own thought processes and stop listening to any of these people. You have your own brain. Use it!





[edit on 24-10-2009 by Sirius20]

Anyone with half a brain already knows that Fox "News" is nothing of the sort.
Any network that would plan, organize and promote a march on Washington as a tool to protest the President and everything he has ever touched is a propaganda outlet posing as real news.

Everytime I turn it on, there's some new story about Obama the communist, baby blood drinking, puppy kicker.

Originally posted by RDR17
I have lost all faith in you Liberals! What happened to anti-establishment? Government is the establishment people!

You commit so many fallacies its absurd. Always a good strategy to attack the person or in this case the media outlet, rather than the point that is being made. It shows that you really can't defend your opinions.

The only flaw in your argument is that the points being made are usually demonstrably false.

It's too bad, Fox News is a terrible excuse for a news company.

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I'm glad you think that Fox should be included, but it would be nice if you would support your thesis.

I would, but apparently Fox is good enough to prove it to you themselves.

I still believe they should be included. Being exclusionary isn't good for the republic in general.



[edit on 10/24/2009 by whatukno]

Originally posted by treemanx
I love it when people say that Fox News is not fair or balanced, or truthful. Its a highlighter on their ignorance. If these people knew what the truth of any news story was, to call it true or untrue, they wouldnt need to watch the news in the first place since they already knew!

The fact is, you cant call a news station unworthy of reporting from the White House based upon your ideology. Just because you may not agree with Glen Beck or the way they report the news, doesnt make them any less credible than any other news station. It makes them the other side of your coin.

Just because they are mostly unwilling to be a WH propaganda hand puppet, doesnt mean they should be shut out. In fact they, more so than any other stations, should be first in line because of that! Balance means hearing opposing opinions, and finding the truth somewhere in the middle usually.

Its amazing to me how many people posted here that they didnt find any fault with the Obama Admins attempt to shut Fox out. Apparently they desire to be treated like a mushroom. Fed s**t and kept in the dark.

I know right? Kind of like how Bush refused to talk to the NYT for 8 straight years and moved Helen Thomas to the back of the press room and refused to call on her, to name only two.

But what Obama's doing is sooooooo unfair! Boo hoo hoo!

Originally posted by Blaine91555
Do you believe in Freedom of the Press?

Of course I do. I don't know why you would ask that based on anything I've ever said, especially the post you quoted.

You say why you think this was wrong but you don't say if you are for a government controlled media which is clearly this Administrations goal.

I do not support a "government controlled media".
I don't believe that is this administration's goal at all.
I do think the government has every right, though, to call out lies that the media is perpetrating and to try to get information to the public, unencumbered by the media's spin.

FOX calls itself a News organization, but they are organizing anti-government protests, and supporting an anti-government agenda. I think the government has the right to defend itself against such an onslaught. I believe that's what's going on here.

You would have to lie to deny he has nearly all of the media in his pocket.

What do you mean "in his pocket"? If you mean that they like him, then yes, I'd agree. Generally, the media likes him. If you mean that he controls them, then I'd disagree and I'd not be lying. If he controlled them, we wouldn't be hearing some of the stories we're hearing.

The CEO who controls NBC is one of his appointees. How do you feel about that exactly?

There's definitely potential for problems, but I am unaware of any.

Is it right for a President to do this or is it wrong for a President to attempt to control the media so they can control what information we see and hear?

It is wrong for a president to attempt to control the media. It is a mistake for Obama to "take on" FOX the way it has. There are several better ways to counteract the lies that FOX puts out there.

This single issue is not the only thing happening here. The Fairness Doctrine is scheduled for resurrection with this Administrations blessings.

That's pure speculation.

He is also for Net Neutrality which gives the government full control of the Internet and its content.

I am absolutely FOR Net Neutrality. It does not give the government "control of the Internet". I don't think telecom companies or my ISP should have the right to control my access to the Internet.

Member ALLisONE said it very well, here. From this thread on NN:

Originally posted by ALLis0NE
Yes exactly, this is one of those issues that confuses people. They don't understand what is going on, so they pick sides based on names only. Most people don't like the FCC so they will side with McCain... even if they don't understand.. it makes me sick.

I was happy when I found out the FCC made rules to not allow ISP's to charge you money for every webpage you go to. The ISP's want to charge you like your television provider does, channel by channel. If you want HBO you pay extra.... if you want ATS, you pay extra. The FCC made rules to not allow that, and McCain is trying to block those rules.

Just so it is clear, McCain doesn't want a "free internet". He wants ISP's to be "free to do what they want with the internet", that includes blocking websites like ATS and making us pay if we want to view it.

The FCC wants the internet to be "neutral" meaning, KEEP IT HOW IT IS NOW. McCain doesn't want that, McCain want's ISP companies to be able to do what they want with the internet.

[edit on 24-10-2009 by Benevolent Heretic]

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic


FOX calls itself a News organization, but they are organizing anti-government protests, and supporting an anti-government agenda. I think the government has the right to defend itself against such an onslaught. I believe that's what's going on here.

I have to disagree with this.

Fox has not organized any anti-government protests.

They did cover the tea party protests to the chagrin of the Obama administration.

Fox does not have an anti-government agenda.

Certain hosts on Fox have called out the administration for certain choices that it has made, like appointing officials who are on record as supporting an overthrow of the basic principles of our government, our economy, and our way of life.

The role of the media is to keep the government in check by informing the people.

Everyone has noted, not the least of whom were the other Democrat candidates, that the media was in the back pocket of Obama, except for Fox.

That is why Hillary Clinton, Bob Beckel, and Terry McAuliffe all heaped praise on Fox during the campaign, because Fox was the only place they or their candidates could get a fair shake.

McAuliffe denied this a couple of nights ago, but Karl Rove presented a copy of an article quoting his statements. He was quite sheepish.

Any suggestion that the media controls the administration and specifically that Fox tries to control the administration is a straw man argument.

Our government is by the people for the people and of the people and an informed citizenry is the only way that this can work and an independent media is essential to that process.

[edit on 2009/10/24 by GradyPhilpott]

Originally posted by Angus123

Kind of like how Bush refused to talk to the NYT for 8 straight years and moved Helen Thomas to the back of the press room and refused to call on her, to name only two.

When did this happen?

Any substantiation?

I don't recall Thomas being moved to the back of the press room.

Originally posted by Angus123

Any network that would plan, organize and promote a march on Washington as a tool to protest the President and everything he has ever touched is a propaganda outlet posing as real news.

This completely untrue.

Fox has not planned, organized, or promoted any marches.

Fox has covered protests and perhaps promoted their coverage of those protests, since the other networks refused to do so, but any suggestion that Fox did this is a lie--a big fat lie.

Again, I ask for substantiation.

Oh, as to Fox fabricating the story of the White House cutting Fox out of the czar interview, it's just too late to try to debunk a story that too many others have confirmed.

When Democrat politicians and other Democrat movers and shakers have condemned the effort, there has to be more than just a fabricated story.

Everyone who's any one knows what happened and the honest ones have spoken out.

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Fox has not organized any anti-government protests.

FOX is actively promoting and organizing a protest movement against the US government.

In a promo for the tax day tea party protests:

Glenn Beck: "Celebrate with FOX News. This is what we're doing next Wednesday."... "We want to be with you and your tea party. If you have a tea party that we're not covering, email me..."

And for the 9/12 protests that Beck himself created:

I launched a project back in March and it comes together Saturday, Sept 12th. Thousands of people are going to gather in Washington, DC and around the nation to stand up for the principles and the values that have made America great.

The difference between FOX and News is that FOX is organizing ant-government protests.

Why Fox News isn't News

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FOX is actively promoting and organizing a protest movement against the US government.

Thank god.



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Excuse me?

Beck asks tea party organizers to contact him so that he can cover the protests and you call this organizing?

If Fox was organizing wouldn't Beck already know who's protesting and where?

Fox tells its viewers that they will be covering an event and they are accused of organizing an event?

That's pretty twisted thinking.

But what the hey!. Anything to fit the facts to the agenda.

The way Fox covered the tea parties is exactly how a new network should work.

To some MSNBC's model was best because when they mentioned the protests at all, they got every washed up Hollywood liberal they could find to call the protesters racists and sexual deviants.

Is that what you call a real news agency?

[edit on 2009/10/24 by GradyPhilpott]

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Beck asks tea party organizers to contact him so that he can cover the protests and you call this organizing?

No. You're being disingenuous. I call the promoting promoting.

Glenn Beck's Promo

This year, Americans across the country are holding tea parties to let politicians know that we've had enough. Celebrate with Fox News. This is what we're doing next Wednesday. Fox News with -- Your World with Neil Cavuto is going to be live in Sacramento, California, at 4 p.m. That's 1 p.m. Eastern -- 4 p.m. Eastern, 1 p.m. Pacific.

Our show is going to be at the Alamo at our regular time. Then Hannity will be in Atlanta, Georgia, at 9 p.m. Eastern, 6 p.m. Pacific. And then Greta is live in Washington, D.C., 10 p.m. Eastern, 7 p.m. Pacific time.

If you can't make the one in San Antonio, please go to the one with Neil or with Sean in Atlanta. That's supposed to be great. Greta is in Washington, D.C. Just get out and let your face be seen and connect with other people.

That is promoting the event.

And he is the organizer of the 9/12 movement.

I understand that you disagree with me, but his video tapes support what I'm saying.

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It all sounded really good in their heads. Declare Fox News not to be
a real news organization. Thank God reality is just now beginning
to set in on Team Obama. Now NBC, CBS, and ABC are standing
behind Fox News. Take all of us or none of us.
I wonder if the thought crossed their minds. OK then. None of you
are news organizations. We will only allow the BBC in the White House.

When a "media source" like fox news is creating the news (by arranging these protests) instead of reporting it, then they lose their status as a legitimate media outlet in my opinion.

EDIT: Fox News now has the status of political activist IMO.

[edit on 24-10-2009 by Aggie Man]

You know what is really ironic about this argument regarding FoxNews and its alleged involvement with the "Tea Parties"?
The entire "Tea Party" idea was STARTED by Rick Santelli on CNBC, which is owned by MSNBC and General Electric, both known OBAMA worshipers.
This is really funny- blaming FOXNews for something STARTED by MSNBC and its subsidiary.

People that continue to bash FOXNews should remember Pastor Niemoeller and his famous quote:

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.

For all the screaming about George Bush, he NEVER excluded ANY network from conferences or any other event, even when Keith "madman" Olbermann called him every name in the book.

I will not debate this issue, because I understand that Obama supporters take it as a matter of faith that he is infallible. Thus, logic never enters into their statements.

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If Fox News is so bad, why are they Number 1 in the ratings?
Answer: Fair and Balanced
Also, we got cute blonds on Fox!