AREA 51/Groom Lake ILS Approaches?, page 1
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reply posted on 23-10-2009 @ 03:04 PM by gariac
Ive documented all the ILS gear I could find around the Nellis range here:
nav aids

I haven't found any gear for the approach to 14.

Having monitored Groom Lake air traffic over the years, I've rarely heard instrument approaches. I suspect they like to fly in lower than the glideslope allows.

I have considerable Janet recordings here:
Janet audio


reply posted on 23-10-2009 @ 11:34 PM by gariac
reply to post by ShadowLink



They pick the direction to land due to wind conditions, so there could be a situation where they needed a landing on 14 under ILS.

My guess is that in order to intercept a glideslope for a 14 landing, the plane would be visible from the ET Highway. [A 737 driver would have to verify this.] Thus they decided never to land ILS on 14. If push came to shove and an ILS landing on 14 was the only possibility, they would just divert to the TTR or McCarran.

Every landing I've seen from Tikaboo for 737s has been from the south. I'm pretty sure this has been the case for the Beech Janets too. I can't say for sure that military aircraft haven't landed on 14.

I suppose a review of all the Janet scanner audio would show if their evern was a landing on 14, even if visual. Obviously I've listened to more landings than I have witnessed.


reply posted on 24-10-2009 @ 02:58 PM by gariac
reply to post by mtmaraca



It is high desert, so the weather can be quite nasty. I've had snow flakes fall on me in April.

Often when you are in Vegas, the weather is calm and dry, but you can look to the north and see precipitation. There is a 3000ft altitude difference.


reply posted on 24-10-2009 @ 09:50 PM by gariac
reply to post by Shadowhawk



The glideslope is tough to spot on Google Earth, though I'm pretty sure I know where they are for Groom and the TTR. [I strive for accuracy, which is why I haven't posted their locations.] But the localizer is hard to hide. I don't see the antenna array for the localizer on Google Earth.

The localizer for 32 is in a funny place if you checked my other post. Presumably they wanted it off the dry lake since sometimes the lake isn't dry. ;-)


reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 12:42 AM by gariac
Flight that might have done a 14 landing

I'm not sure if this is the flight that got the original poster interested in instrument landings on 14. The flightaware tracking is odd in that it looks like the flight was going to land on 32, but at the last minute decided to gain some altitude and land towards the south.

Most internet tracking is filtered over Groom Lake these days, though this one slipped through the filter. Usually when they switch from commercial callsign to military callsign, the tracking stops. I assume it is based on the squawk code, which is always of the form 033x for Groom Lake, which X is any digit. I don't recall codes higher than say 0334 since they normally don't control more than 4 Janets in military airspace at one time.
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