50 year old cartoon about American Life - Must See!

reply to post by bowlbyville

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Why would you think you have any more freedom being ruled by corporations than you do by being ruled by the state? The only difference is one is accountable to shareholders and the other to the masses.

It's each of our duties to take the responsibility for those who cannot provide for their own medical care. Not everyone living off the system is a lazy slob. There are a lot of hardworking people who happen to live under the poverty line and even a lot of middle class people who can't afford expensive albeit necessary surgeries, pharmaceuticals and nursing services. There is a bigger world out there than just your family. The rest of the world needs and deserves our help to you know. Try getting behind a cause greater than yourself you selfish egoist.

I don't see where in any of my posts I was advocating regulation?

I wasn't even talking about what needs to be done to fix this...yet.

I think before we even go there - we just need a lot more people to wake the hell up. Everyone who just wants to somehow blame "socialism" for all their problems needs to realize how much of their everyday lives are owned and run by big business. But it's amazing how many people completely forget all that when you dangle this completely FAKE freedom carrot in their faces and play "America the Beautiful" in the background.

That's why this thread scares me - because the majority of responses so far seem to think this piece of propaganda fluff is actually spreading some sort of meaningful message that should be "taught" to our children. Yikes!

Yeah because we all know people in Canada have no freedom

The only difference between your life and the one mocked in this movie is their lives are controlled by the state - yours is run by Wal-mart.

And the film also says this-

"I hereby turn over to ISM INCORPORATED everything I have..."

Fun to watch, sure; but honestly, I don't see whats "so clear and so insightful" about this cartoon to be worth a special mention. I mean, it was clearly a sort of "warning" against Communism, totally in line with the spirit of the era. The dangers it presents were expressed, in more or less the same tone, in many books, movies, articles.
Why is this relevant now? Are the US in danger of becoming a totalitarian state?
I am asking because I am not an American. I can see here on this board that many are not satisfied with Obama. (I don't have an opinion on him; I do like him, but I guess it's a superficial "liking", I don't think he has had enough time to really do anything.) But are his policies a threat to "liberty" in the US?
Or are you talking about something else, not Obama?

It's the kind of inane claptrap my generation grew up on, pure adulterated propaganda. This was produced during the heyday of the cold war & MacarthyISM, and to that end. We've seen how well the much touted management vs labor working together thing has worked out.

The average workers' salaries have stayed flat or fallen while upper management's salaries have risen from 35 times workers' salaries to 300 times their salaries in the past 20 years.

I have to agree that the modern day propaganda is that of consumerism.

Just a propoganda film against communism. That's all it was.
Capitalism ad emocrasy is just as flawed.
Kingdom is where it's at.
Current kingdoms are thriving, even today.

So you'd rather have a monarchry as your form of government?

The lie of patriotism and freedom is persistent isn't it.

pay your taxes, obey your laws, enjoy your "freedom". lol

What a great post! Thanks for putting it out there. Hopefully it'll help explain what so many folks just wont hear! By the way, I see people posting how uncanny its' relevance is to our current times-funny thing is a little reading would reveal that is exactly what made our founding fathers so brilliant....they established a country founded on principals for ALL TIMES.
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[edit on 25-10-2009 by jbeez]

I would have to agree with Victor.

After reading all of the posts, I can guarentee to everyone, that I'm still absolutely confused as to how to interpret this cartoon.

The first few times that I watched this movie, I got the feeling like the snake oil salesmen was symbolic for the NWO (the bankers/corrupt gov officials). This made the movie a little more relevant to my own specific beliefs at this point in time.

However, some people state that the snake oil salesmen was just a symbol of communisim (Which is still partially the NWO, mind you) and that this cartoon was used primarily to encourage capitalism, which has failed. Therefore glorifying this cartoon is basically bringing up a sore spot and the feeling of 'here we go again' begins.

The more posts that I read, the more it came clear. This cartoon can be interpreted in various ways depending on how you shuffle the symbolic references around. Therefore, out of an experiment of art. I'm currently reworking the cartoon for a more modern day incarnation.

I haven't decided yet if I plan on re-working or modernizing the imagry while keeping the audio. Or re-working the audio and leaving the video. If anyone else is interested in making alternative versions of this cartoon, please join me. Regardless of your opinion of it, the important thing is that it's getting people to discuss the role of the government and the issues at hand.

After showing this video to a few friends, we actually got into a non-confrontational, relaxed and progressive conversation about government roles. There is something interesting about it's presentation and age that makes it a perfect way to open up the topic of discussion to generally closed minded people.

great in terms of showing how us as Americans how we should use our rights and fight for our rights. but At the same time there's a small sales pitch for capitalism thrown in there (the american way of course). and i love how they keep talking about how everyone is equal in this country yet they only show one non-white kid in the classroom part of the video.... then again it was made in a time where "if you ain't white, you ain't right."

All in all good cartoon, informative and im still surprised that it came from such a propaganda filled time. Good Post!! I got a star with ya name on it buddy.

Yugio? God I hope that's a joke.
This is merely a fallacious appeal to tradition.

"Remember when some folks couldn't vote, and women were basically property? Pepperidge Farm remembers."

Most educated citizens did know what the economy would come to , but when they start to spread it something always happens , almost all civil rights movement leaders were assassinated weird huh? If you get out of line in their eyes and start to wake people up to actually make a difference which is very possible that is when they get scared of us and plot on how to rid us and not make it look like an inside job to calm the remaining americans.

reply to post by patmac

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for some reason, the most interesting perspective (from page 2) got very few stars. i have re-posted it below. viewed from this perspective, the whole cartoon becomes quite relevant again! hilarious!

good luck with your re-work of this video.