Another Plane off course and dead silent for 75mins with no fighters scrambled?, page 1

The story here www.startribune.com...

Could another 9/11 happen?

It appears so a Northwest A320, flight 188, with a 147 passengers on board did not respond to ATC starting at 7pm and did not respond back to them till 8:14pm. All the while over flying their intended destination by a 150 miles.

NORAD said they were moments from launching four fighters but didn't have the chance to before radio contact was re-established.

The military had four fighter jets ready to chase down the plane, said Michael Kucharek, a North American Aerospace Defense Command spokesman. The jets were on the "edge" of taking off but did not have to because communication with Flight 188 was reestablished. "You never know what the situation is, why they're not in contact," he said.

The FAA says the pilot and co pilot were in a heated discussion regarding that all too important "airline policy". The CVR was in the process of being replayed in order to confirm suspicions that both pilots had fallen asleep while auto pilot was on.

When the plane experienced a bit of turbulence early in the trip, the pilot announced he would fly higher, said passenger Kennedy. But after that, there was no banter from the cabin. "The day before, I took the same direct flight, and the guy kept coming on and saying, 'If you look out to your left, you'll see the Rockies.' The guy was, like, talkative. I've had that many, many times," Kennedy said. "It was very quiet. ... I just figured that they're professionals, and we're covered. No problem."

Being that this set of circumstances almost mirrors the way that the 9/11 attacks unfolded, especially in f77's case. You would think NORAD would immediately get fighters up to see whats going on.

Instead, for some reason they continued to wait and see what would happen...again.

Originally posted by knightsof0ld
didnt it land ? ? ? ?

Yes once the pilots had regained their "situational awareness" as they put it, they requested to turn back around and fly back to the MSP Airport.

There is a radar track of the whole event included in the first page of the article.

Along with the articles own graphic www.startribune.com...CiUHc3E7_V_nDaycUiacyKUUr

In which they explain the time line.

reply to post by talisman

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Why NORAD never even got jets off the ground, I think is one of the most interesting things about this article. Everything about the known circumstances , you would think, would dictate a rapid response. It appears though, that they were waiting to see what would happen next.

With these kinds of performances from NORAD it becomes increasingly possible, that not only could they have not responded to the 9/11 attacks fast enough, but that they are determined to not respond again to a 9/11 style attack. That is, until it's too late.

One the reasons hijackers were able to get as far as they did was that
there was no sharing of information. Hijacking in one ATC sector was
not reported to others so none of the other ATC sectors knew about it.

Supposedly in wake of 9/11 a national center was established to
receive and coordinate all reports at airports and on aircraft. Everything
from someone jumping security line to unruly passenger was supposed to
be reported so inceident could be evaluated and responsed to

www.washingtonpost.com...

Maybe one of aircraft experts can respond

reply to post by jimmyx

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These outlandish explanations are entertaining, but just like the wild nonsensical speculation regarding 9/11, they bear no semblance to reality.

Simple explanations are usually best.....

Take a look at where the aircraft was and where it was headed. It was a danger to what? A cheese processing plant in Eau Claire, WI? No? Maybe a dairy farm in the area? It was also at night. Do you speculate that potential hijackers had night vision equipment in order to see the largest cow on that dairy farm?

The entire system knew the identity of the aircraft and you can bet your last $ that if the aircraft had turned toward Chicago or somewhere else significant, the fighters would have been launched.

NORAD doesn't launch fighters "wily, nlly" for no good reason. I truly hope that none of you "quick, let's launch fighters" crowd are ever on a commercial airliner for which Air Defense Fighters are launched. You will likely be able to see the "wall to wall" missiles under the wings even at night once the search light illuminates the airliner tail for ID purposes. They will be clearly visible during daylight hours. Then when he breaks off to go back in trail the stench in your pants will likely will be unpleasant for the other passengers while you wonder if he might have an itchy trigger finger and make a mistake.

He won't make a mistake, but the mentality from your over active imagination and wild speculative theories might not allow your sphincter to do it's job.

Fortunately, for you the warriors that guard the sky over the US are smarter than you are. They know when to launch and when not to launch.

Unfortunately, they didn't have a "prayer in hell" of stopping the 9/11 attacks, but the next time they very likely will if it ever happens again.

Originally posted by Reheat
reply to post by jimmyx

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Fortunately, for you the warriors that guard the sky over the US are smarter than you are. They know when to launch and when not to launch.

Oh yes, they did such a great job the last time. Those 'warriors' really saved the day on 9/11 didn't they? I'm glad you have such faith in those 'warriors' to protect you, but the fact remains that this aircraft was out of contact for over an hour so no-one could have known what was going on inside the cockpit.

reply to post by I_Wonder

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if the plane was off-course for less then ten minutes...but for AN HOUR. Come on

They were only "OFF COURSE" for 15 minutes after passing airport

They were out of contact - a condition called NORDO (no radio) for
hour before that coming from Kansas City

Aircraft occasionly will experience radio trouble. The flight stuck to
flight plan, did not deviate from course/altitude enroute to Miinneapolis

ATC was able to track it all the way

Was only after missing Minneapolis airport did someone say "WTF" and
begin to get concerned - no doubt at this point ATC were yelling
all sort of things at them which finally got their attention

Reheat/Weedwhacker/Swampfox can probably elaborate further

Should stick to facts and not twist them to fit your conspiracy fantasy

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