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Topic started on 23-10-2009 @ 12:26 AM by nastalgik
Russia's Navy will buy at least 24 MiG-29K (Fulcrum-D) fighters to be deployed on the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier, an unnamed Defense Ministry official said on Friday.

He added that deliveries of the carrier-based multirole fighters would start in 2010.

The MiGs will subsequently replace the Su-33 (Flanker-D) carrier-based fighters, even though their service life does not expire until 2025.

Military analyst Konstantin Makiyenko suggested that production of new Su-33 aircraft was possible but not cost-effective, given the small production volumes, whereas considering that India has already contracted 16 MiG-29K's and could place an order for another 28, the latter option is more financially viable.

The 24 aircraft will cost an estimated $1 billion.

en.rian.ru...

I have always had a soft spot for the MiG-29. Yes the Su-33 is a brilliant aircraft but its funny to see the MiG-29K, who lost out to the Su-33, reappear and win. The USN is all about power projection with their carriers but the Kuznetsov is tasked with protecting the fleet with CAP flights. The Su-33s have a limited multi-role capability in their current configuration or at least last time I checked they did.

Even if they popped a Shkval on it and scotch taped a cheap TV on to the right panel (Su-25t style baby) precision guided munitions would work wonders you would think. They can carry the giant anti-ship missle, named the "Mosquito" oddly enough, also but imo it doesn't serve much of a purpose because of its weight.

The MiG-29K would be smaller and as a result would have less of a payload. So no strapping 12 R-27EMs to the bottom anymore . But the 29 would fit the role perfectly since its more of a frontline aircraft. You aren't going to fly across the Caucaus in it (even though it is possible) at a good speed but as for providing top cover it seems to be a perfect candidate. Plus landing a 29 on the carrier is probably easier then landing the Su-33. I would imagine the Fulcrum would be a little more forgiving and agile.



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reply posted on 3-1-2010 @ 10:20 PM by Daedalus3
Apparently the Russians seem to be refraining from taking any new Su-33K orders as seen here, when they apparently turned down an RFI from the Indian Navy:


India’s biggest military hardware supplier, Russia, which was asked for information on the Sukhoi-33, has opted out of the race saying it is phasing out the plane, a navy source told The Telegraph. But Russia is negotiating with China to sell 50 Sukhoi-33 aircraft for the Chinese PLA Navy’s aircraft-carrier programme.
Source


Haven't seen any of this show up elsewhere so was wondering about the legitimacy of this new piece of info.

At the risk of going off-topic, what makes this little RFI even more interesting is that the IN went to EADS and SAAB. So a Sea-Typhoon (resurrection?) or a Sea-Gripen?
The RFI was also sent out to to Boeing (F/A-18), Lockheed Martin (F-35), and of course never can leave out Dassault (Rafale).
Maybe this deserves a new thread in itself.

Now getting back on topic, here is an interesting video of Indian Navy MiG29Ks being tested off a carrier deck (Kuznetsov I presume?)..

www.liveleak.com...

Birds without a nest they are for now.. with the Gorshkov in perpetual political limbo


reply posted on 4-1-2010 @ 10:15 PM by Darkpr0
Originally posted by Daedalus3
Apparently the Russians seem to be refraining from taking any new Su-33K orders as seen here, when they apparently turned down an RFI from the Indian Navy


Interesting you mention the Su-33K though your quote seems to be speaking of the vanilla Su-33. Su-33 is going to be phased out as per the quote while Su-33K is an unannounced follow-up to the Su-33 using Su-35BM technology. Opinions around the net are contested as to whether it will see the light of day, though I suspect it will have more to do with what Carriers Russia intends to put into service. If Kuznetsov-style carriers are going to be introduced you can expect either a Su-33K as a heavy-class aircraft or a PAK-FA naval derivative since the MiG-29K does not seem to stretch the carrier's capabilities (notice in the clip in your link at about 32 seconds, the 29K is not using the ski-jump). If the 29K is going to be the only naval fighter aircraft then you can probably just expect smaller carriers to come out of Russia.


At the risk of going off-topic, what makes this little RFI even more interesting is that the IN went to EADS and SAAB. So a Sea-Typhoon (resurrection?) or a Sea-Gripen?


Doubtful. India is probably unwilling to pick up the tab to finish development of Sea-Typhoon or Sea-Gripen. As well, neither of those are really in the same class of aircraft as the heavy 33.


The RFI was also sent out to to Boeing (F/A-18), Lockheed Martin (F-35), and of course never can leave out Dassault (Rafale).


My bet is on the Super Hornet if all goes well, it's about as close as you'd get to a 33 on a carrier deck, though I'd be interested to see what challenges are present to handle such a heavy aircraft in STOBAR operations on a carrier not really designed for it.


Now getting back on topic, here is an interesting video of Indian Navy MiG29Ks being tested off a carrier deck (Kuznetsov I presume?)..


Confirmed by the video at 00:10.

[edit on 1/4/2010 by Darkpr0]
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