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reply posted on 23-10-2009 @ 06:05 AM by GoldenFleece
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Thanks for your response. I think it would be more accurate to say that ONE organization -- the wealthy establishment hate-mongers at Southern Poverty
Law Center (who spends their $200 million-dollar endowment primarily attacking rather than defending civil rights groups), not to mention being the
source of Return of the Militias report for Homeland Security which suggests that former military members, gun owners, Libertarians,
Constitutionalists, Ron Paul and Chuck Barr supporters, etc., are the new "home-grown terrorists." The despicable SPLC was also the source of that
Missouri MIAC "fusion center" report that was quickly discredited and retracted.
In a July report titled "Return of the Militias," the Alabama-based Southern Poverty Law Center singled out Oath Keepers as "a particularly
worrisome example of the Patriot revival."
...Oath Keepers is not preaching violence or government overthrow, Rhodes said. On the contrary, it is asking police and the military to lay down
their arms in response to unlawful orders.
Thanks Johnny -- feel free to follow my links above and tell me who the real terrorists are.
Here's a hint, it's not Oath Keepers or any "right-wing extremists" -- it's the same guys responsible for Gulf of Tonkin, Operation Northwoods,
TWA 800, the assassination of JFK, RFK and MLK, the USS Liberty, 9/11, the "Patriot Act" and the infamous "weapons of mass destruction" in
Iraq.
Oh yeah, don't forget spying on people like me who tell the truth about our government.
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reply posted on 23-10-2009 @ 06:26 AM by JohnnyAnonymous
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Originally posted by GoldenFleece
Thanks for your response.
I can tell by your post that your very passionate about the subject and would like to suggest that you post those feelings in the appropriate links on
the subject being discussed.
I also hope you can understand that as a Anchorperson for the ATSnews I need to remain neutral when I'm reporting what 'someone else' has said or
posted. We don't want to become like so many other news-mediums that 'spin' their own thoughts into a subject matter. So I hope you can respect the
aspect that I 'should have no opinion' on any of the news items presented and just present them as they are posted in the forum.
I Appreciate your wanting to share thoughts though and hope you will participate in the threads with regards to any such subject matter you feel
strongly about such as this one...
Johnny
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reply posted on 23-10-2009 @ 06:30 AM by GoldenFleece
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Johnny, I'm passionate because I know many of these people (I'm not a member of Oath Keepers myself) and they are NOT "right-wing radicals" like
the Southern Poverty Law Center makes them out to be.
Oath Keepers is a group of fine, patriotic Americans and it's unfair that the sleazy accusations and innuendo of ONE despicable "civil rights"
organization is endlessly repeated and even becomes the primary source of regional "fusion centers" and Homeland Security reports:
A national scandal emerged in Missouri, after their MIAC Fusion Center issued an eight page document which made many false claims. The documents
attempted to politicize police and cast suspicion on millions of Americans. The 'Missouri Documents', as they came to be called, listed over 32
characteristics police should watch for as signs or links to domestic terrorists, which could threaten police officers, court officials, and
infrastructure targets.
Police were instructed to look for Americans who were concerned about unemployment, taxes, illegal immigration, gangs, border security, abortion, high
costs of living, gun restrictions, FEMA, the IRS, The Federal Reserve, and the North American Union/SPP/North American Community. The 'Missouri
Documents' also said potential domestic terrorists might like gun shows, short wave radios, combat movies, movies with white male heroes, Tom Clancey
Novels, and Presidential Candidates Ron Paul, Bob Barr, and Chuck Baldwin!
The Southern Poverty Law Center was cited as a research source for the 'Missouri Documents'. Furthermore, the attempt of these documents to cast
suspicion of violent and life-threatening behavior on millions of Americans who are concerned about these issues is consistent with the regularly
released political materials of both the SPLC and ADL.
A more balanced article that doesn't repeat SPLC's lies:
Ready to Protect
Keepers vow to uphold rights, and the Constitution
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reply posted on 23-10-2009 @ 07:57 AM by SkepticOverlord
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Originally posted by GoldenFleece
These are fine, patriotic Americans and it's unfair that the accusations and innuendo of ONE despicable "civil rights" organization is endlessly
repeated and even becomes the primary source of regional "fusion center" and Homeland Security reports.
I'm responsible for the titles, motion graphics, music, etc.
You can blame me for the wording "extreme right wing," and I stand by that... just as I may likely classify ACORN as an "extreme left wing"
activist group.
The description is apt, and accurate. I'm sorry you disagree with that, but our goal for ATS News is to be straight shooters with no political spin,
bias, or fear for the words we choose.
If they're not "extreme right wing," then where were they during republican administrations?
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reply posted on 23-10-2009 @ 08:36 AM by GoldenFleece
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Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
If they're not "extreme right wing," then where were they during republican administrations?
Your definition of "extreme right wing" is determined by when an organization is founded?
Allow me to quote from the Oath Keepers website:
About OathKeeper Founder Stewart Rhodes
Stewart is the founder and Director of Oath Keepers. He served as a U.S. Army paratrooper until disabled in a rough terrain parachuting accident
during a night jump.
He is a former firearms instructor and former member of Rep. Ron Paul’s DC staff.
Stewart graduated from Yale Law School in 2004, where his paper “Solving the Puzzle of Enemy Combatant Status” won Yale’s Miller prize for best
paper on the Bill of Rights. He assisted teaching U.S. military history at Yale, was a Yale Research Scholar, and is writing a book on the dangers of
applying the laws of war to the American people.
Stewart currently writes the monthly Enemy at the Gates column for S.W.A.T. Magazine, and has written for The Warrior, the journal of Gerry Spence’s
Trial Lawyer’s College; for www.moreliberty.org; and for JPFO.
As you can see, Stewart was attending Yale law school and working in Ron Paul's DC office during the Bush administrations. I can tell you from
first-hand knowledge that Stewart was appalled by the Bush administration's abuse of executive power, e.g. signing statements, shredding of the
Constitution and passage of the "Patriot" and Military Commissions Acts.
SO, I'm surprised that a co-founder of ATS doesn't realize the phoniness of the left/right political paradigm. As we've seen in everything from
bankster bailouts to ending the war in Iraq, Republicans and Democrats are essentially two sides of the same coin.
"Say hello to the new boss -- same as the old boss."
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reply posted on 23-10-2009 @ 08:49 AM by SkepticOverlord
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Originally posted by GoldenFleece
SO, I'm surprised that a co-founder of ATS doesn't realize the phoniness of the left/right political paradigm.
I most certainly have... case in point.
But I also don't pull punches. Being overtly concerned that "the other" political party may somehow subvert the constitution to the extent
expressed on their site is an extreme response, no matter how you look at it.
Their claim of "non-partisan" is as accurate as Fox News' "fair and balanced" tag line.
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reply posted on 23-10-2009 @ 09:28 AM by King Seesar
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I just wanted to chime in and say that the program is really good and i look forward to hearing more from Johnny Anonymous.
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reply posted on 23-10-2009 @ 09:32 AM by SkepticOverlord
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reply posted on 23-10-2009 @ 09:39 AM by GoldenFleece
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Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
Being overtly concerned that "the other" political party may somehow subvert the constitution to the extent expressed on their site is an extreme
response, no matter how you look at it.
Their claim of "non-partisan" is as accurate as Fox News' "fair and balanced" tag line.
Can't disagree about Faux News being "fair and balanced", but please tell me which of Oath Keepers' Orders We Will Not Obey could be
considered "extreme" or "subversive" to the Constitution:
OATH KEEPERS: ORDERS WE WILL NOT OBEY
1. We will NOT obey orders to disarm the American people.
2. We will NOT obey orders to conduct warrantless searches of the American people
3. We will NOT obey orders to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to military tribunal.
4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state.
5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty.
6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.
7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.
8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to
“maintain control."
9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies.
10. We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for
a redress of grievances.
I will never understand how defending the tatters of what's left of our Constitution, including our fundamental rights, freedoms and civil liberties
could be considered "extreme" or "radical", let alone "subversive."
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reply posted on 23-10-2009 @ 12:47 PM by slyce
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I see people in govt, including President Obama, using the term
extremist more and more to talk about terrorists.
Hmm.
PS, good video!
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reply posted on 23-10-2009 @ 12:54 PM by autowrench
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Awesome newscast, Johnny, great job too. This should be on TV, as an alternate news show.
Now I think we all know we are being watched, not only by CIA spooks, but also DoD and NSA also. Here is what I think...keep posting the hidden
secrets we find, and keep posting about what we as a people will do if cornered, and give the spooks something to think about. We are empowered
Americans who happen to be armed to the teeth, and we will not take it anymore.
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reply posted on 23-10-2009 @ 06:28 PM by Synthesist
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Great Show!
The format is working well and I now have several threads that I want to go explore. I like the show, it's fun and informative and just what I
thought ATS News would be like...That's why I am here!
After reading some of the comments, I think that ATS is doing the best they can to represent the breaking news stories on this site. Being
policitically correct is so hard these days. Politics sucks, period. We must all agree that we all think differently and have extreme thinking on all
sides of any topic here, especially alternative news stories.
I agree with Johnny Anonymous just being the piano player, he's just reporting breaking user content. The bosses have to make hard decisions daily
and report as they see fit. Don't shoot the messengers, please!
Don't let a story or how it's presented confuse you. We view and comment on these stories and videos because we all DO have an opinion after taking
in the information.
Just my 2 cents!
Love is the Answer,
Synth
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reply posted on 23-10-2009 @ 08:58 PM by zazzafrazz
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Can we not voice our partisan outrages on the news link thread?
If there is a issue, can members take it to the thread that was reported on and raise their debate there.
Or hit a feedback button.
Im just being completely selfish, I am discombobulated enough by the political and religion boards, and if ATS is going to be reporting on what is
posted, can we keep the banter in those forums, there is NO WAY they can be PC enough for everyones ideologies. Keep it in the forum or thread your
debate belongs in...pretty please with a cherry on top.
Zazz
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reply posted on 23-10-2009 @ 09:15 PM by Flighty
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reply posted on 23-10-2009 @ 11:00 PM by MOTT the HOOPLE
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Maybe the CIA should do something useful like getting rid of these Skull n Boneheads idiots! Instead of being on there knees to the pencil necked
dorks!Grow a spine fellas!
admin edit: vulgar term changed.
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reply posted on 25-10-2009 @ 12:14 AM by Alethea
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This is a great idea!
Johnny has personality plus and presents well.
I think the topics he chose to highlight were very deserving.
I will look forward to these broadcasts so that I can keep up with the "important" news when I don't have time to read the board.
Thanks to everyone who put this together.
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reply posted on 25-10-2009 @ 04:51 PM by jackflap
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Absolutely fantastic. The content very pertinent and informative. Intriguing and credible. What else can I say? This is an awesome way to get the
message out.
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reply posted on 25-10-2009 @ 10:26 PM by tracehd1
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Johnny's Hair looked different in ATS News 2....lot more sexier if you ask me....
great broadcast...I love this!!!
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reply posted on 26-10-2009 @ 01:37 AM by glitchinmymatrix
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I'm sure there's a lot more than this going on. They probably have paid agents who post messages to confuse you...to counter arguements and keep the
secrets secret.
I mean, what good is a secret if you share it with everyone? At that point, it's useless because now your "enemies" know it.
That said, any "secrets" you get on this website are by my reasoning, useless secrets.
The best secrets are just that...secrets. They don't share 'em with you. And, as far as these "secret societies" go, I would bet that its member
maybe even don't know they are members...that way they don't compromise the entire system by exploiting it. Just a thought...because the most
powerful in these societies hold the knowledge of the inner workings of it, so they could in theory betray the entire society in order to make it
collapse.
So, think you aren't part of a secret society? Think again. Maybe you are and don't know it! Ha! 
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reply posted on 29-10-2009 @ 07:24 AM by stealthyaroura
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WOW that was a very slick production you got going there, loving the format and johnny a your looking good, very professional, look fofward to the
next broadcast of ATS news.
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