McCain introduces bill to block FCC's net neutrality rules

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posted on Oct, 24 2009 @ 01:41 AM
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lets not jump the gun here , all sounds nice but did anyone read the whole thing? i bet there are hidden ninjas in it




posted on Oct, 24 2009 @ 01:41 AM
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The net needs to be free. If the net is censored then everything that has been built will be destroyed. Places like ATS could, in theory, be gone if an ISP deemed it dangerous and block it. I already have problems like with MySpace. When I go to Alex Jones' blog and click on the links in it, and it just redirects back to MySpace. I asked why and they said they have the right to redirect any link they think can be harmful to it subscribers. This is just an example of what could happen if the ISPs were to do this.



posted on Oct, 24 2009 @ 01:54 AM
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Originally posted by Traffic
I'm having trouble understanding this.



McCain on Thursday introduced the Internet Freedom Act, which would keep the FCC from enacting rules prohibiting broadband providers from selectively blocking or slowing Internet content and applications


Which would keep the FCC from enacting rules PROHIBITING broadband providers FROM SELECTIVELY BLOCKING or slowing internet content and applications.

So... The FCC wants to enact rules that stop ISPs from blocking/censoring traffic. This sounds good to me? This would stop cable companies and such from throttling content they don't like, and would lead to more freedom for all of us? It would also mean a level playing field for all internet service providers, as none would be able to provide faster or slower traffic for special services.

Why would McCain want to stop this?

Am I reading this wrong or did everyone else read it wrong?


Welcome to the insanity. The only reason people in here are supporting it is because Fox News told them too..

[edit on 24-10-2009 by reasonable]



posted on Oct, 24 2009 @ 02:29 AM
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well whadda ya know?....

www.pcworld.com...


Senator John McCain (R-AZ) is the top recipient of campaign contributions from large Internet service providers like AT&T, Verizon and Comcast over the past two years, according to a new report from the Sunlight Foundation and the Center for Responsive Politics. McCain has taken in a total of $894,379 (much of that money going to support his failed 2008 bid for the presidency), more than twice the amount taken by the next-largest beneficiary, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev. ($341,089).

Meanwhile, McCain has emerged as the ISPs' biggest champion against new "network neutrality" rules from the Federal Communications Commission, which voted Thursday to move forward in the process to adopt such rules. Shortly after the FCC vote, McCain introduced a bill (the "Internet Freedom Act") that would block regulation of the nation's largest broadband networks.

Net neutrality rules would amount to a federal mandate that broadband providers cannot block or hinder the internet traffic of any web site or service, regardless of whether or not that site or service completes with a similar site or service offered by the ISP itself. In other words, a telco ISP could not limit bandwidth used for Skype VoIP traffic, while maximizing bandwidth available for its own VoIP service.



posted on Oct, 24 2009 @ 02:40 AM
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I dont trust McCain as far as i can throw him, and he's just playing politics and trying to stay in the mainstream of this circus we call the government.

He talks out of both sides of his mouth and is not to be trusted just like the rest of them.



posted on Oct, 24 2009 @ 02:55 AM
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DID you guys read the same OP


I think the lot of you missed the point -

Mccains stance is that ISP should be allowed to slowdown or block content that competes with their business interests....

DO YOU GUYS GET IT?

Business stay out of my internet as with government -

have you all lost your minds?

You really want business dictating your content?

nutty folks, seriously.



posted on Oct, 24 2009 @ 02:57 AM
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Originally posted by reasonable
well whadda ya know?....

www.pcworld.com...


Senator John McCain (R-AZ) is the top recipient of campaign contributions from large Internet service providers like AT&T, Verizon and Comcast over the past two years, according to a new report from the Sunlight Foundation and the Center for Responsive Politics. McCain has taken in a total of $894,379 (much of that money going to support his failed 2008 bid for the presidency), more than twice the amount taken by the next-largest beneficiary, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev. ($341,089).

Meanwhile, McCain has emerged as the ISPs' biggest champion against new "network neutrality" rules from the Federal Communications Commission, which voted Thursday to move forward in the process to adopt such rules. Shortly after the FCC vote, McCain introduced a bill (the "Internet Freedom Act") that would block regulation of the nation's largest broadband networks.

Net neutrality rules would amount to a federal mandate that broadband providers cannot block or hinder the internet traffic of any web site or service, regardless of whether or not that site or service completes with a similar site or service offered by the ISP itself. In other words, a telco ISP could not limit bandwidth used for Skype VoIP traffic, while maximizing bandwidth available for its own VoIP service.


Serious, I don't think people understand the implications

good enough point



posted on Oct, 24 2009 @ 02:58 AM
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Enough ninjas to make several large servings of fruit salad.



posted on Oct, 24 2009 @ 03:04 AM
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Originally posted by AndrewTB
Just another case showing McCain truly has the American peoples interest at heart... mostly. Id say hes on of the cleaner politicians around. Hope this gets pushed through.


YOU hope ISP and telecoms can sensor content at their discretion?

Dude I hope that biff old dude on your avatar stops by your head and brings you to your senses.

[edit on 24-10-2009 by Janky Red]



posted on Oct, 24 2009 @ 03:07 AM
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Originally posted by Janky Red

Originally posted by AndrewTB
Just another case showing McCain truly has the American peoples interest at heart... mostly. Id say hes on of the cleaner politicians around. Hope this gets pushed through.


YOU hope ISP and telecoms can sensor content at their discretion?

Dude I hope that biff old dude on your avatar stops by your head and brings you to your senses.

[edit on 24-10-2009 by Janky Red]


It's kind of like being on Candid Camera or Punk'd. There's dudes in a control booth somewhere "post another one supporting the destruction of net neutrality.. go go go.. omg that was great now they are really flipping out lol!.. we better tell em it's a joke.. no wait.. not yet..."



posted on Oct, 24 2009 @ 07:57 AM
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Originally posted by Janky Red

Originally posted by AndrewTB
Just another case showing McCain truly has the American peoples interest at heart... mostly. Id say hes on of the cleaner politicians around. Hope this gets pushed through.


YOU hope ISP and telecoms can sensor content at their discretion?

Dude I hope that biff old dude on your avatar stops by your head and brings you to your senses.

[edit on 24-10-2009 by Janky Red]


If that's all the rules did, then I would be for it, but this is the government.. And what McCain is upset about is not the regulation of the ISP's to block etc, but the other not so known language that gives the government more control over what you look at..

I wish I could find a copy of the FULL text of the proposal, there's some scary stuff in there.



posted on Oct, 24 2009 @ 08:00 AM
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Originally posted by reasonable

Originally posted by Traffic
I'm having trouble understanding this.


Welcome to the insanity. The only reason people in here are supporting it is because Fox News told them too..

[edit on 24-10-2009 by reasonable]


Actually Fox Did NOT tell me to. Do you WANT more government controls on your life? I'm pretty happy with my 35Mbps/35Mbps internet... I dont want some government agency telling them that they have throttle back just to keep the field level.



posted on Oct, 24 2009 @ 09:23 AM
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Originally posted by Traffic
Am I reading this wrong or did everyone else read it wrong?


You are NOT reading it wrong.
You've got it. Many people ARE confused, however. That's the purpose of the title of the bill. Internet freedom for the telecom corporations to come in and control my access.

The reason John McCain wants to do this is that the telecom companies are giving lots and lots and lots of money to do so.

Why anyone would trust self-confessed, computer illiterate McCain with their internet "freedoms" is far beyond me. Well, it's not really. If it's anti-Obama, then it's the right thing, they figure.


Originally posted by reasonable
The only reason people in here are supporting it is because Fox News told them too..


Exactly. Glenn Beck couched Net Neutrality as a threat to Freedom of Speech.
Thinking that his minions are dumb enough to fall for it...

This is a case where the FCC is actually protecting the people and the people don't even realize it!



Originally posted by vkey08
Do you WANT more government controls on your life?


Not all government control is bad. How do you know that the meat you buy in the supermarket is not going to kill you when you eat it? Government control. How do you know that, when something says it doesn't contain MSG that it's true? Government Control. How do you know that the medicine you feed your baby is safe? Government Control.

If you want telecom companies and Internet Service Providers to be able to prevent you from accessing certain sites and to slow your access to certain sites, then you support this bill of McCain's. If you want it to stay as it is now, then you don't support this bill.

FCC Net Neutrality rules enter drafting process, face McCain challenge



Look, we have no more interest in child porn than we do a pair of Lady Gaga Heartbeats, but any time we hear of internet providers having either the right or responsibility to block content, we get an uneasy feeling in the pit of our libertarian stomachs.


The reason you can't find the text of McCain's bill is that it's still being drafted. There's another bill The Internet Freedom Preservation Act that is in contention with McCain's bill. HR3458.

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McCain calling it the Internet Freedom Act of 2009 is either arrogant or ignorant. Tell your congressperson to support the Internet Freedom Preservation Act of 2009, H.R. 3458:



posted on Oct, 24 2009 @ 09:32 AM
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Do an ATS Search on titles. Net Neutrality was challenged in 2006. Lots of good information.

Watch this VIDEO



posted on Oct, 24 2009 @ 09:38 AM
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I am a little confused. I thought the act would keep providers from enacting legislation allowing them to block content. If McCain is blocking it, then he is allowing them to block content.

But it is confusing, maybe I am reading it wrong.

In a sense, isn't it a BAD thing that McCain is blocking this?

[edit on 24-10-2009 by nixie_nox]



posted on Oct, 24 2009 @ 09:43 AM
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We don't need a bill for freedom of speech, we have the Constitution of the United States. The internet is not a newspaper though it has newspapers in it. It's not a news media network though it has new media in it. The internet is the public square where ideas and speech is aired for the purposes of a functioning society. The internet is already a neutral medium that needs no police state interference. Obama seeking to regulate the internet is the equivalent of trying to regulate public dissent and discourse and is against the Constitution. And America will toss this fascist out like we did with old King George of England over 200 years ago.

[edit on 24-10-2009 by Fromabove]



posted on Oct, 24 2009 @ 09:44 AM
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It's written to confuse people.



What is net neutrality?

Definitions differ, but the consensus is that the internet should be free from undue interference by service providers and that content and traffic should not be discriminated against unfairly.

According to Tim Berners-Lee, inventor of the web: If I pay to connect to the net with a certain quality of service, and you pay to connect with that or greater quality of service, then we can communicate at that level.

According to Google: Network neutrality is the principle that internet users should be in control of what content they view and what applications they use on the internet.


Source

If McCain's bill passes, it will BLOCK the FCC from stopping telecom companies from regulating access and content. In other words, it will allow telecom companies to come in and regulate the Internet. Read this whole thread and the links I've provided. It will basically turn over ownership from the people to the telecom companies and ISPs, and we'll end up watching most of the Internet (like we do TV and radio) instead of it being a free-flowing communication medium.

[edit on 24-10-2009 by Benevolent Heretic]



posted on Oct, 24 2009 @ 09:46 AM
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i gave you a star, allinone...your exactly right...anyone that thinks mccain wants internet freedom, lacks certain critical thinking skills... skills, i might add, lost on many of these types of posts... again...well said.

and BH...i just gave you a star too. good source

[edit on 24-10-2009 by jimmyx]



posted on Oct, 24 2009 @ 09:46 AM
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You are totally confused on what the bill is seeking to do. Please educate yourself about it.



posted on Oct, 24 2009 @ 09:48 AM
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I could care less what congress attempts to do, I am saying the internet is not theirs to play with it belongs to us and market forces, not them. Every time government involves themselves in the lives and property and freedom of people they screw it up, every single time.





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