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reply posted on 24-10-2009 @ 01:41 AM by reassor
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lets not jump the gun here , all sounds nice but did anyone read the whole thing? i bet there are hidden ninjas in it
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reply posted on 24-10-2009 @ 01:41 AM by bigvig316
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The net needs to be free. If the net is censored then everything that has been built will be destroyed. Places like ATS could, in theory, be gone if
an ISP deemed it dangerous and block it. I already have problems like with MySpace. When I go to Alex Jones' blog and click on the links in it, and
it just redirects back to MySpace. I asked why and they said they have the right to redirect any link they think can be harmful to it subscribers.
This is just an example of what could happen if the ISPs were to do this.
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reply posted on 24-10-2009 @ 01:54 AM by reasonable
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Originally posted by Traffic
I'm having trouble understanding this.
McCain on Thursday introduced the Internet Freedom Act, which would keep the FCC from enacting rules prohibiting broadband providers from selectively
blocking or slowing Internet content and applications
Which would keep the FCC from enacting rules PROHIBITING broadband providers FROM SELECTIVELY BLOCKING or slowing internet content and
applications.
So... The FCC wants to enact rules that stop ISPs from blocking/censoring traffic. This sounds good to me? This would stop cable companies and such
from throttling content they don't like, and would lead to more freedom for all of us? It would also mean a level playing field for all internet
service providers, as none would be able to provide faster or slower traffic for special services.
Why would McCain want to stop this?
Am I reading this wrong or did everyone else read it wrong?
Welcome to the insanity. The only reason people in here are supporting it is because Fox News told them too..
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reply posted on 24-10-2009 @ 02:29 AM by reasonable
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well whadda ya know?....
www.pcworld.com...
Senator John McCain (R-AZ) is the top recipient of campaign contributions from large Internet service providers like AT&T, Verizon and Comcast
over the past two years, according to a new report from the Sunlight Foundation and the Center for Responsive Politics. McCain has taken in a total of
$894,379 (much of that money going to support his failed 2008 bid for the presidency), more than twice the amount taken by the next-largest
beneficiary, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev. ($341,089).
Meanwhile, McCain has emerged as the ISPs' biggest champion against new "network neutrality" rules from the Federal Communications Commission,
which voted Thursday to move forward in the process to adopt such rules. Shortly after the FCC vote, McCain introduced a bill (the "Internet Freedom
Act") that would block regulation of the nation's largest broadband networks.
Net neutrality rules would amount to a federal mandate that broadband providers cannot block or hinder the internet traffic of any web site or
service, regardless of whether or not that site or service completes with a similar site or service offered by the ISP itself. In other words, a telco
ISP could not limit bandwidth used for Skype VoIP traffic, while maximizing bandwidth available for its own VoIP service.
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reply posted on 24-10-2009 @ 02:40 AM by dgtempe
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I dont trust McCain as far as i can throw him, and he's just playing politics and trying to stay in the mainstream of this circus we call the
government.
He talks out of both sides of his mouth and is not to be trusted just like the rest of them.  
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reply posted on 24-10-2009 @ 02:55 AM by Janky Red
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reply to post by vkey08
DID you guys read the same OP
I think the lot of you missed the point -
Mccains stance is that ISP should be allowed to slowdown or block content that competes with their business interests....
DO YOU GUYS GET IT?
Business stay out of my internet as with government -
have you all lost your minds?
You really want business dictating your content?
nutty folks, seriously.
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reply posted on 24-10-2009 @ 02:57 AM by Janky Red
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Originally posted by reasonable
well whadda ya know?....
www.pcworld.com...
Senator John McCain (R-AZ) is the top recipient of campaign contributions from large Internet service providers like AT&T, Verizon and Comcast
over the past two years, according to a new report from the Sunlight Foundation and the Center for Responsive Politics. McCain has taken in a total of
$894,379 (much of that money going to support his failed 2008 bid for the presidency), more than twice the amount taken by the next-largest
beneficiary, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev. ($341,089).
Meanwhile, McCain has emerged as the ISPs' biggest champion against new "network neutrality" rules from the Federal Communications Commission,
which voted Thursday to move forward in the process to adopt such rules. Shortly after the FCC vote, McCain introduced a bill (the "Internet Freedom
Act") that would block regulation of the nation's largest broadband networks.
Net neutrality rules would amount to a federal mandate that broadband providers cannot block or hinder the internet traffic of any web site or
service, regardless of whether or not that site or service completes with a similar site or service offered by the ISP itself. In other words, a telco
ISP could not limit bandwidth used for Skype VoIP traffic, while maximizing bandwidth available for its own VoIP service.
Serious, I don't think people understand the implications
good enough point
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reply posted on 24-10-2009 @ 02:58 AM by Janky Red
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reply to post by reassor
Enough ninjas to make several large servings of fruit salad.
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reply posted on 24-10-2009 @ 03:04 AM by Janky Red
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Originally posted by AndrewTB
Just another case showing McCain truly has the American peoples interest at heart... mostly. Id say hes on of the cleaner politicians around. Hope
this gets pushed through.
YOU hope ISP and telecoms can sensor content at their discretion?
Dude I hope that biff old dude on your avatar stops by your head and brings you to your senses.
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reply posted on 24-10-2009 @ 03:07 AM by reasonable
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Originally posted by Janky Red
Originally posted by AndrewTB
Just another case showing McCain truly has the American peoples interest at heart... mostly. Id say hes on of the cleaner politicians around. Hope
this gets pushed through.
YOU hope ISP and telecoms can sensor content at their discretion?
Dude I hope that biff old dude on your avatar stops by your head and brings you to your senses.
[edit on 24-10-2009 by Janky Red]
It's kind of like being on Candid Camera or Punk'd. There's dudes in a control booth somewhere "post another one supporting the destruction of
net neutrality.. go go go.. omg that was great now they are really flipping out lol!.. we better tell em it's a joke.. no wait.. not yet..."
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reply posted on 24-10-2009 @ 07:57 AM by vkey08
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Originally posted by Janky Red
Originally posted by AndrewTB
Just another case showing McCain truly has the American peoples interest at heart... mostly. Id say hes on of the cleaner politicians around. Hope
this gets pushed through.
YOU hope ISP and telecoms can sensor content at their discretion?
Dude I hope that biff old dude on your avatar stops by your head and brings you to your senses.
[edit on 24-10-2009 by Janky Red]
If that's all the rules did, then I would be for it, but this is the government.. And what McCain is upset about is not the regulation of the ISP's
to block etc, but the other not so known language that gives the government more control over what you look at..
I wish I could find a copy of the FULL text of the proposal, there's some scary stuff in there.
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reply posted on 24-10-2009 @ 08:00 AM by vkey08
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Originally posted by reasonable
Originally posted by Traffic
I'm having trouble understanding this.
Welcome to the insanity. The only reason people in here are supporting it is because Fox News told them too..
[edit on 24-10-2009 by reasonable]
Actually Fox Did NOT tell me to. Do you WANT more government controls on your life? I'm pretty happy with my 35Mbps/35Mbps internet... I dont want
some government agency telling them that they have throttle back just to keep the field level.
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reply posted on 24-10-2009 @ 09:23 AM by Benevolent Heretic
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Originally posted by Traffic
Am I reading this wrong or did everyone else read it wrong?
You are NOT reading it wrong.  You've got it. Many people ARE confused, however. That's the purpose of the title of the bill. Internet freedom for
the telecom corporations to come in and control my access.
The reason John McCain wants to do this is that the telecom companies are giving lots and lots and lots of money to do so.
Why anyone would trust self-confessed, computer illiterate McCain with their internet "freedoms" is far beyond me. Well, it's not really. If it's
anti-Obama, then it's the right thing, they figure.
Originally posted by reasonable
The only reason people in here are supporting it is because Fox News told them too..
Exactly. Glenn Beck couched Net Neutrality as a threat to Freedom of Speech.  Thinking that his minions are dumb enough to fall for it...
This is a case where the FCC is actually protecting the people and the people don't even realize it!
Originally posted by vkey08
Do you WANT more government controls on your life?
Not all government control is bad. How do you know that the meat you buy in the supermarket is not going to kill you when you eat it? Government
control. How do you know that, when something says it doesn't contain MSG that it's true? Government Control. How do you know that the medicine you
feed your baby is safe? Government Control.
If you want telecom companies and Internet Service Providers to be able to prevent you from accessing certain sites and to slow your access to certain
sites, then you support this bill of McCain's. If you want it to stay as it is now, then you don't support this bill.
FCC Net Neutrality rules enter drafting
process, face McCain challenge
Look, we have no more interest in child porn than we do a pair of Lady Gaga Heartbeats, but any time we hear of internet providers having either the
right or responsibility to block content, we get an uneasy feeling in the pit of our libertarian stomachs.
The reason you can't find the text of McCain's bill is that it's still being drafted. There's another bill
The Internet Freedom Preservation Act that is in contention with McCain's bill. HR3458.
[ex
McCain calling it the Internet Freedom Act of 2009 is either arrogant or ignorant. Tell your congressperson to support the Internet Freedom
Preservation Act of 2009, H.R. 3458:
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reply posted on 24-10-2009 @ 09:32 AM by Benevolent Heretic
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Do an ATS Search on titles. Net Neutrality was challenged in 2006. Lots of good information.
Watch this VIDEO
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reply posted on 24-10-2009 @ 09:38 AM by nixie_nox
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I am a little confused. I thought the act would keep providers from enacting legislation allowing them to block content. If McCain is blocking it,
then he is allowing them to block content.
But it is confusing, maybe I am reading it wrong.
In a sense, isn't it a BAD thing that McCain is blocking this?
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reply posted on 24-10-2009 @ 09:43 AM by Fromabove
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We don't need a bill for freedom of speech, we have the Constitution of the United States. The internet is not a newspaper though it has newspapers
in it. It's not a news media network though it has new media in it. The internet is the public square where ideas and speech is aired for the
purposes of a functioning society. The internet is already a neutral medium that needs no police state interference. Obama seeking to regulate the
internet is the equivalent of trying to regulate public dissent and discourse and is against the Constitution. And America will toss this fascist out
like we did with old King George of England over 200 years ago.
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reply posted on 24-10-2009 @ 09:44 AM by Benevolent Heretic
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It's written to confuse people.
What is net neutrality?
Definitions differ, but the consensus is that the internet should be free from undue interference by service providers and that content and traffic
should not be discriminated against unfairly.
According to Tim Berners-Lee, inventor of the web: If I pay to connect to the net with a certain quality of service, and you pay to connect with that
or greater quality of service, then we can communicate at that level.
According to Google: Network neutrality is the principle that internet users should be in control of what content they view and what applications
they use on the internet.
Source
If McCain's bill passes, it will BLOCK the FCC from stopping telecom companies from regulating access and content. In other words, it will allow
telecom companies to come in and regulate the Internet. Read this whole thread and the links I've provided. It will basically turn over ownership
from the people to the telecom companies and ISPs, and we'll end up watching most of the Internet (like we do TV and radio) instead of it being a
free-flowing communication medium.
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reply posted on 24-10-2009 @ 09:46 AM by jimmyx
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reply to post by ALLis0NE
i gave you a star, allinone...your exactly right...anyone that thinks mccain wants internet freedom, lacks certain critical thinking skills... skills,
i might add, lost on many of these types of posts... again...well said.
and BH...i just gave you a star too. good source
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reply posted on 24-10-2009 @ 09:46 AM by Benevolent Heretic
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You are totally confused on what the bill is seeking to do. Please educate yourself about it.
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reply posted on 24-10-2009 @ 09:48 AM by Fromabove
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I could care less what congress attempts to do, I am saying the internet is not theirs to play with it belongs to us and market forces, not them.
Every time government involves themselves in the lives and property and freedom of people they screw it up, every single time.
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