I am starting this thread because I just got a big laugh on a Healthcare Thread

The gist was that the Social Security Trust Fund actually had money in it.

IOU's from one side of a ledger, to offset another side of the ledger is not money!

Let me put it this way, Social Security and the Medicare/Medicaid Fund are broke. There is no money in any account in the government. The funds have been looted since the days of Reagan and Carter. It would have been nice to actually have money in the bank in case of a rainy day, but we all know government has other ideas about our money.

2009 was the first year that they have ever frozen Social Security Benefits. They have been frozen indefinitely. Yes, the government has said it is ONLY for the next 3 years. Quite a joke when you think about it.

IF ANYONE DISPUTES THIS I WILL COLLECT ENOUGH INFO TO SATISFY YOU!

Reagan and Carter started the plundering of the funds. All they did was, put all of the income from employees (income tax-social security tax-medicare/medicaid tax), into the general fund. Over the next 25 years the Funds were emptied. Next, they gave all of the money in the general fund to the Federal Reserve to pay our interest on the debt. All money gone. Zip, Zero, Nil.

We have been broke for the last 20 years. The only thing keeping us afloat, has been printing worthless money.

The US dollar is a joke, a Fiat Currency. Our debt is only a promise to pay interest, forever.

It is all a joke on the American People

And here is the solution: We the people seize control of our country. Now we own it again. Their is no debt. We have been lied to forever.



[edit on 10/22/2009 by endisnighe]

Not one fracking reply. I am kind of sad.

Who said Bumpty bump?

Can you say trashy?

Originally posted by endisnighe
Not one fracking reply.

A lot of people are scared.

Evil is everywhere.

Explanation: S&F!

THIS THREAD ROCKS!

I fully agree with it 100%!

Personal Disclosure: I see the stars and flags are accumulating quikly! This and the lack of any replies says to me that nothing else needs being said ..you said it all simply and to the point, and the lack of any rebuttal speaks VOLUMES!

P.S. Bump! Come on Flaggers... Please post to bump this all the way to a spot on ATS NEWS!

Originally posted by endisnighe

Do you think my Avatar and Sig are over the top? I have not got any complaints yet from the mods.

I think many of them might worship satan, so it doesn't really surprise me.

It's not just social security in the US. Private pensions, British Old Age Penison, the Canada Pension Plan, and every other retirement scheme out there run the same way. The people receiving checks are not receiving money the money that they put in. That money was used by the government or fund long ago. The only way for the scheme to continue is for new people to come along and pay into the pension fund, which then gets paid to the retirees. The problem is the system relies on more and more people to be paying into the system every year, the classic definition of a Ponzi scheme. Otherwise the scheme is insolvent.

The problem is how do you go about fixing something like this? It's not like they can just end social security. All the people who have paid into the system their whole lives would get completely screwed out of thier money. However one day it will end, unless there is a constant growth in the amount of younger people paying into the system and the average lifespan remains the same. The problem is, people are living longer and less and less children are being born.

Lack of replies can be split in two. One, for anyone with half a brain this is old news. The pyramid nature of it was used to fight it back when it was first proposed.

Which brings me to two. Nobody cared then. Nobody cares now. This country, the world, is full of complete imbeciles. Those imbeciles are led around and manipulated by people who desire power and control.

If you're not an imbecile or control freak you have no say and you simply do not matter. You just float around in bitter limbo until you drink yourself stupid, die or climb up in a tower with a rifle and subsequently die. Funny that the violent end often comes to the individual who just wanted to be left alone.

I am on Social Secruity and we are not getting an increase for 2 years. It makes me anrgy because congress voted themselves a raise yet denied it for the disabled and eldlery. Maybe they took money from SS to pay for their raises.
When you say Social security benefits will be frozen you are talking about people not getting raises? I know I will still be getting benefits indefinitely. Believe me if the government suddenly took away it's income from millions of people there would be an uproar.

Um.. it's not frozen. It's akin to minimum wage going DOWN for the first time in many years. They are both tied (by law) to the inflation rate. When the inflation rate does not climb, this is what happens. It's obviously just such a rarity, you don't often see this.