Rape used as weapon in DR Congo war , page 2

reply to post by Aeons

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The suggestion is choosing a path that may or may not result in death. You speak of it as though it were a certainty. A high likelihood is still not a certainty. Nor have I suggested the women stand on their own. What man sits idly by and permits the raping of his wife?

So I ask again, what do you suggest?

reply to post by Aeons

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When I was 3 years old I sat in an ant pile accidentally and quickly learned that even though I was physically bigger and stronger, I was greatly outnumbered and went crying home to moma.

I've seen little Chinese women trained in karate that could kick some serious hiney. We're talking females who are 4 foot 9 inches and weigh what my 11 year old son weighs.

I'm not the kind of girl to whine about injustices being done or, like Scarlett O'Hara in Gone With The Wind, "rely on tha kydnuss uf straynguhs"

Having been an abused female, I can tell ya, those big tough macho men back off pretty darn quick when you wallop them upside the head with a 9" frying pan. Stab them in the knee cap with a sharpened #2 pencil even and you might get a broken nose for your trouble but while they're tending to their wound, you can re-arm.

Women don't have to be helpless. No one has to be helpless. Saying that because they're bigger, stronger and better armed is reason enough to submit is tantamount to saying that because our government is bigger, stronger and better armed than the individual citizen is reason enough to obey their tyrannical oppression too. It's not. "When a long train of abuses ....."

reply to post by captaintyinknots

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The foolz dont see the DEMONS THAT AWAIT TO RAPE THEM IN THE AFTERLIFE during their long long walk thru the DARKNESS. I cannot wait till they scream for mercy and no being is there to help them as no 1 was there to help their rape victims..........ILL BUT VERY FAIR

reply to post by whitewave

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Your tirade doesn't make women enmass suddenly into trained Ninjas with lasanga cooking skills, just all waiting for the potential of an army of men to descend on them.

reply to post by Aeons

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I dont know about this "world over" position. Last I knew the champion skeet shooter in the U.S. was a woman. Last time I taught a concealed carry class there were 11 women and one man in the room.

Besides, law doesnt matter. Lord knows illegal activities occur every second of every minute. You mean to tell me that the very act of slaughtering and raping are actually legally sanctioned therefore permissible but raising an arm in ones own defense being illegal is impossible? It's ridiculous in the face of blatently illegal action to use legality as an excuse for inaction.

reply to post by Aeons

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I say if these men were to turn their attention outward they would be in for a bit of a shock. Warlords may be able to rampage with impunity over third world deserts but entering into a first world nation would be another task entirely.

Though there are many factors which will influence the outcome of this. One being certain nations propensity to accept and tolerate the brutish behavior of these individuals as we have seen with these little Shariah neighborhoods popping up all over Europe living largely isolated from the society that surrounds them.

Another factor would be the mobile mass recruiting and pillaging as they move about. But still, a million strong force with jeeps and HK91's wont stand up to well to carpet bombing and ICBM's.

I doubt there are many worldwide who would sympathize with or offer aid to this type of force. At least the type of aid that would make them a global 3rd Reich style threat.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
reply to post by Aeons

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I dont know about this "world over" position. Last I knew the champion skeet shooter in the U.S. was a woman. Last time I taught a concealed carry class there were 11 women and one man in the room.

Besides, law doesnt matter. Lord knows illegal activities occur every second of every minute. You mean to tell me that the very act of slaughtering and raping are actually legally sanctioned therefore permissible but raising an arm in ones own defense being illegal is impossible? It's ridiculous in the face of blatently illegal action to use legality as an excuse for inaction.

World over. Yes. Indeed. One of the reasons women's sports isn't advancing as fast as mens is that their are far fewer competitors and teams and levels upon which to hone skills. Because sport participation is a First World, and a middle-class to rich First World thing for women. Of the women that participate outside of those, they are a select few who are supported by grants and still have way fewer opportunities to competitively train to improve skills.

Most of the World, women don't have even the slightest possibility to train for skills in defense let alone skills to combat an army.

And yes, defending oneself from rape isn't legal in many areas. If you did, you'd have to prove he was attacking you. With witnesses. How many rapists attack in public? And if they do attack with witnesses, you can assume that the witnesses are there WITH HIM. So if the woman hurts or kills him, SHE is the criminal.

In many socieites, men can pay their way out of rape. Women and the other hand are ostracized, or even forced to marry their rapists, or killed. Because the real crime is the rape. It is that you were raped, and then caused societal problems by being hurt or talking about it.

Further, when you don't have a job you don't make money. In many places women's property isn't their own. So even if you do many money, it isn't yours. So as a girl, you'd have to hope that your FATHER would pay for you to have traning in defense or offense, and he wouldn't do that because it isn't womanly and makes you bad marriage material. Which is your main worth.

As a grown woman, you'd have to have the TIME to do it. Which if your spouse isn't helping you with household and parental duties, you don't have. Even if you have money - which is probably legally his. Now, let us say that everything bucks societal convention. Now you have to find someone who WILL train you for real - not just barely at all. If you are even allowed to train in defense or offensive tactics. Sometimes, you cannot even GET to a place to train. You have no rights to transport, or the money to pay for it.

Now let us instead think, one lives in a more modernized society.

The reality that if suddenly an army of trained soldiers landed upon your city, and secured a community. They outnumber the men. First they remove the men. Then you expect that somehow the women would instead choose to fight instead of being raped. Which alot of them would. IF they weren't being held in seclusion in their respective houses. Which groups of soldiers then go into.

You think that these women, regular suburban women will somehow subdue an army of trained soldiers whose mission is to commit rapes. Individually.

How is it the logistical problem you are talking about isn't clueing into you?

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
reply to post by Aeons

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I say if these men were to turn their attention outward they would be in for a bit of a shock. Warlords may be able to rampage with impunity over third world deserts but entering into a first world nation would be another task entirely.

Though there are many factors which will influence the outcome of this. One being certain nations propensity to accept and tolerate the brutish behavior of these individuals as we have seen with these little Shariah neighborhoods popping up all over Europe living largely isolated from the society that surrounds them.

Another factor would be the mobile mass recruiting and pillaging as they move about. But still, a million strong force with jeeps and HK91's wont stand up to well to carpet bombing and ICBM's.

I doubt there are many worldwide who would sympathize with or offer aid to this type of force. At least the type of aid that would make them a global 3rd Reich style threat.

Nations don't care about women being brutalized. Not even yours.

Women and children are an acceptable offering to maintain less conflict.

You think that your nation will go to war to defend women?

Evidence suggests otherwise.

[edit on 2009/10/23 by Aeons]

reply to post by Aeons

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No, I'm under the impression that a state filled with hunters, competitive shooters, military veterans and lifelong outdoorsmen wouldnt simply march isingle file to their deaths.

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