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Topic started on 22-10-2009 @ 12:24 PM by Neo Christian Mystic

Deuteronomy 18:15 "The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; "

In Hebrew there are basically two words meaning Salvation:

"Mosja'ah" and "Jeshuw'ah" -- Mosjeh (Moses) and Jesju (Iesos)

"God is with us! He brings Salvation" or "Immanuel Jesjuah"

According to the prophecy of Immanuel he would be a prophet like Mosjeh. Therefore his parents called him Jesjuah (Iesos). It has the same semantic meaning as Mosjeh (Moses).

Anyone care to argue?

[edit on 22/10/2009 by Neo Christian Mystic]

reply posted on 24-10-2009 @ 06:40 AM by The time lord

Zechariah 12:10 (New International Version)

Mourning for the One They Pierced
10 "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit [a] of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.
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Well if you really study it there are over 300 Old Testament references of the event's of Christ but the people of the time did not see it.

reply posted on 26-10-2009 @ 04:29 PM by Neo Christian Mystic

What could salvation mean for a guy like Moshe or Jesju? Tell me and I'll show how we made them live forever. BTW, Jesju with Moshe in his pocket,- -- won....

reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 03:19 PM by oliveoil

Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
Deuteronomy 18:15 "The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; "

In Hebrew there are basically two words meaning Salvation:

"Mosja'ah" and "Jeshuw'ah" -- Mosjeh (Moses) and Jesju (Iesos)

"God is with us! He brings Salvation" or "Immanuel Jesjuah"

According to the prophecy of Immanuel he would be a prophet like Mosjeh. Therefore his parents called him Jesjuah (Iesos). It has the same semantic meaning as Mosjeh (Moses).

Anyone care to argue?

I believe he is speaking of Jesus, The only other contender would be Muhammad. Muhammad was a descendant of Ishmael, Abraham's first son, this would make him a 'brother' to the Israelites. Did Jesus ever claim to be the prophet Moses foretold?

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reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 04:01 PM by zaiger

Hey guys im Mushy Jewju, you know the prophet anyways im here what can i do for ya?

reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 04:05 PM by The time lord

Spiritually Jesus was like Moses, not his line of work like Muhammad and Moses, since many people of those times were traders but spiritually fits better with Moses.

Being Hebrew male infants, both Moses and Jesus’ lives were threatened by the rulers of their day.
God worked miracles through Moses. God worked miracles through Jesus.
Moses commanded 12 tribes while Jesus commanded 12 apostles.
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Of course there are lots of comparisons, not all wat to accept it and try and fit in other prophets to save the day for their reasoning.

reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 04:16 PM by TheWalkingFox

reply to post by oliveoil

Mohammed was also a Jew - don't be surprised, most settled people in the middle east at the time were Jewish. As a wealthy merchant, Mohammed was pretty much guaranteed to be Jewish. Further, if we take the bible story as truth, there's a few problems that keep Jesus from being "among your number"

1) He's not human. He is god.
2) He has no father - or rather, his father is also himself.
3) In life, he never married, never had children.
4) in death, he didn't stay dead.

Doesn't sound to me like he was really someone who could be said "one of your brothers" and "from among your number".

Also interesting... Extremely few Jews accepted Jesus. However, Christians and jews both readily converted to Islam - granted there were economic reasons for this ("So if I convert, I don't have to pay this tax? Il illah allah, then, sign me up!") but it would seem that the middle eastern Jews were more than happy to accep Mohammed as the latest prophet - ask any Palestinian's great-great-great squared grandpappy.

reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 05:02 PM by Kandinsky

Mosjeh? Mos Def is better and still breathing too

Prophecies that predict the coming of prophets are mathematically likely to fail. Where are the sums? Where are my equations? I'd say where are the prophets and prophecies that ever 'came to pass?' Life doesn't appear to favor timetables or human alarm clocks.

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reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 05:08 PM by The time lord

Jesus came in the Flesh, he was killable meaning he was human too, he could die, but death was defeated. Many people after his death and during it were healed by the Holy Spirit, many followers became faith healers, does not mean they were not human, it is super natural too.

He has a mother like we all have a mother, all mankind have a heavenly father his spirit is in us when we believe.

We are his children spiritually.

I bet many Muslims have converted to Christianity but it is a lot harder for them to do so or they won't admit it, that is down to fear of persecution as a law.

The Bible knew already of Christians that would leave the faith it happened even then, the Bible says so, the Bible says many false prophets would come in Christ's name and be led astray.

No Other Gospel

6I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! 9As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!
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Galatians 2

14When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?

15"We who are Jews by birth and not 'Gentile sinners' 16know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.

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Meaning these new Islamic or even some Jewish laws are already out of date, they live by the sword die by the sword and the eye for an eye is still the same.

Galatians 3
Faith or Observance of the Law

10All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."[c] 11Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith."[d] 12The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them."[e] 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."[f] 14He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
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Anyway a bit too many quotes but that is the difference explained between the free religious world and the world covered by the observing to Law to greatly, does not mean do what you like, just means be kinder to each other and be more free from traditions.

Galatians 3

Sons of God
26You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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I hope this helps if anyone is confused, people no longer make the connections to why the Bible is free and how freedoms were established.

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reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 05:11 PM by NorEaster

reply to post by Neo Christian Mystic

My little brother insists on using alternative names for his bible characters too. He thinks he looks enlightened when he does it, but we all think he just looks too stupid to realize how obvious it is that he's trying to look enlightened. Which, of course, indicates that he's not enlightened, since if he was enlightened (whatever the hell that actually means) then he wouldn't care if he looked enlightened or not. He sure as hell wouldn't be using obscure names for Jesus and God, and some of the other guys that litter his emails about religion, since he knows that no one else in these email exchanges uses them.

Kid brothers can be a real challenge.

reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 05:15 PM by dangerish

reply to post by Neo Christian Mystic

I don't understand what u are trying to argue.. Care to explain your point further? that they have things in common? that they are the same person? what?

reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 06:00 PM by oliveoil

Originally posted by dangerish
reply to post by Neo Christian Mystic

I don't understand what u are trying to argue.. Care to explain your point further? that they have things in common? that they are the same person? what?

He's affirming Jesus was the prophet Moses was referring to.

Do you wish to dispute ?

reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 06:23 PM by dangerish

reply to post by oliveoil

Nope...if that is what he was trying to say then i agree. Just don't know what the whole meaning of the name moses has to do with it, but no worries...I do not dispute

reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 12:31 PM by Neo Christian Mystic

reply to post by NorEaster

To understand the Name-Word connection in a language, one must use the original language. "Jesus" is Latin and equals the number of the beast in Hebrew gematria. Moses is also Latin, while Mosjeh is Egypto-Hebrew. Tanakh was written in Hebrew with the Torah being their first constituition. I've shown in the OP how Mosjeh correspons to a word meaning salvation which is almost identical to the name, and also Jesju(ah), hence "a prophet like unto me" means a person named something close to the semantics of his name, mission, but still reflecting the dual, two witness policy of the Hebrew Wordi. This was done on purpose. And with an esotheric agenda, to educate, to inspire, to give credit.

I'm not being smart here, just rational and respectful and polite towards the writers of the texts we're reading. If I was to discuss American law in Swahili, and explain why moose is not allowed to multiply on the sidewalks on Sundays in one state, it would help if the class had knowledge of English, American wildlife and culture, politics, and call Thomas Jefferson what he was named and not use the Swahili equivallent. It would be important for the class to know what a moose is, what a sidewalk is and what an American state and Sunday is.

"In the Beginning was the Word (Jesjuvah - Salvation), and "salvation" is/was with God and God is/was Salvation." Now Jesjuah means "God is Salvation" (Jesjuah is translated "God is Salvation").

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reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 12:49 PM by babloyi

But then...in the original, there was no use of J in these words. It was with Y.

So....Yesyuah and Mosuah

reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 03:34 PM by Neo Christian Mystic

Originally posted by babloyi
But then...in the original, there was no use of J in these words. It was with Y.

So....Yesyuah and Mosuah .

No, Jod is a consonant and is J, not Y. The reason you have Y instaed of Jod in English, is bechause the way you transliterate words into English. For instance, in ancient linguas, "e:" is the equivalent of "i" while "I" is "e:". "w" is "o" and infact a vocal, that's why the third letter of the Tetragrammathon should be written V, not W, since W is a vocal, and Hebrew only writes consonant sounds, the rest is based on rules of what the different syllables should sound from it's contyextual composition, and "c" is "s". In English it works, but English translitteration is not correct literally, since the English sounds for the letters in the Alfabet, is somewhat contadictory and based on advanced vocal and consonant transitions and mutations.

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reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 03:45 PM by Ophiuchus 13

I do not disagree with the o.p.

reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 04:57 PM by Neo Christian Mystic

reply to post by Ophiuchus 13

Jesju was not the {type of} prophet Mosjeh talked about?

Looks to me Jesju passed that one with a glow. Who else would voluntarilly be whopped, crusified and nearly killed?

reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 06:28 PM by Neo Christian Mystic

The reason I say Jesju (First Part of God's Name or Word) instead of "Jesus" (equals the number of the beasts in Hebrew gematria), is appart for the parentesis effect, that "jesjuvah" one of two Hebrew words is a profound teaching in how to read Hebrew kabalistic code linguae, hidden in the text of Genesis especially, and certain NT books. JesH{J}uVaH. This is why the early Jewish Christians chose to call Jesju Adonai or Ha-Shem or Lord. Contemporary comments seem to indicat that certain rabbinical Jews at the time after Jesju refered to him as the JaHVeH.

reply posted on 3-11-2009 @ 08:15 AM by The time lord

I do not see why people can not use the name Yeshua if some modern English translation seems to have unholied it in it's own way, sometimes you have to go back to basics instead of going in circles, go back to Greek and Hebrew or Aramiac to seek the details. This reminds me of paintings with Jesus with long hair and is said to be more in line with Lucifer before he fell, Jesus had short hair and they shaved, it is somewhere in the Bible.

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en.wikipedia.org...(name)

Yeshua, spelled יֵשׁוּעַ (Yēšûă‘) or ישוע in Hebrew was a common name among Jews of the Second Temple Period, and is thought by some scholars and religious groups to be the Hebrew or Aramaic name for Jesus. In modern Hebrew, Yeshu (ישו) and Yeshua (ישוע) are in fact the common transcriptions for Jesus.

The name Yeshua is extensively used by Messianic Jews and Hebrew Christians, as well as other Christian denominations, who wish to use Jesus' Hebrew name.

Another explanation for the name Yehoshua is that it comes from the root ישע yod-shin-‘ayin, meaning "to deliver, save, or rescue". According to the Book of Numbers verse 13:16, the name of Joshua son of Nun was originally Hoshea` הוֹשֵעַ, and the name "Yehoshua`" יְהוֹשֻׁעַ is usually spelled the same but with a yod added at the beginning. "Hoshea`" certainly comes from the root ישע, "yasha", yod-shin-`ayin (in the hif`il form the yod becomes a waw), and not from the word שוע shua` (Jewish Encyclopedia[10]) although ultimately both roots appear to be related.

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