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Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by OmegaLogos
When it comes to liberty verses religious rights, then yes, liberty trumps religion, and religious articles used to oppress peoples rights should be made illegal.
Head scarfs designed for fashion should be removed indoors, in all places of business.
I think that the men who try to force their women to stay inside all of the time will find that this will be extremely difficult to do. It should also be illegal to keep women locked up, unless they have some particular medical condition that prevents them from going outdoors.
One of the ways of dealing with this would be to require that all people on welfare and government aid have to come into the office on a regular basis, and that the women be interviewed separately from the men.
Just because a small number of women desire such outfits, doesn't mean that all women should be subject to oppression, which is what is going on. The minority should not be given control over the majority.
Originally posted by HunkaHunka
What is it with people who feel their children must live the way they do?
I just don't get it... it's not like the girl was still living under his roof!
People take crap just way too seriously these days... Let your 20 yo+ children figure out who they are.... you've done your job... you can do nothing else at this point!
Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by oozyism
Why did you change your name?
Yes, we have had several discussions on the topic, where you continue to insist that a minority should be allowed to impose its will on the majority.
Islam does not care for freedom of religion. Islam seeks to impose its will on everyone, and the burqa and the head scarf is one of the tools used to impose its will.
When something like the burqa and the head scarf are used to abuse others, as is the situation, it should be made illegal.
Freedom of religion does not give someone the right to force their religion down other peoples throats, as you would like to claim.
Originally posted by oozyism
I don't think the discussion is about what you think Islam seeks to impose, that is your personal view, there are thousands of interpretation on what Islam seeks to impose.
I don't know of Islam which preaches forced burqa or Islam which seeks to impose its will on everyone. What I know of is culture.. It is not Islam which tell its followers to force burqa but cultural dominance.
Nope never claimed that, not even Al-Qaeda claims that. Muslims don't like others to shove their religion down their throats, and they also believe the opposite.
I don't think the discussion is about what you think Islam seeks to impose, that is your personal view,
Originally posted by JJay55
Wrong. Yes, this was an attempt at honor killing.
Wrong, there are not thousands of interpretations on what Islam seeks to impose.
Wrong, Islam and culture is one, just as Islam and government is one.
2:170 (Asad) But when they are told, "Follow what God has bestowed from on high," some answer, "Nay, we shall follow [only] that which we found our forefathers believing in and doing." Why, even if their forefathers did not use their reason at all, and were devoid of all guidance?
Wrong, Islam does intend to shove their religion down your throat, it's a duty of all muslims.
Don't know where you learned about Islam but your views are way off.
This act by an Iraqi father to kill his daughter because of westernization follows the same theology that is encouraged by the Koran in paternal hierarchy of Islam. Further it is fard ayn and the duty of all muslims to follow this theology.
Many westerners think that Islam is just like Christianity but from a different part of the world. This is a dangerous assumption and one that lead to 911 attack on American soil. Please become educated about Islam before circulating more myths.
Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by oozyism
Hey, I myself have protested post removals, but not to the point where I have been banned.
Who are you to dictate what the discussion is about?
What everyone on this whole web site does continuously, is post their personal views. How do you not get this?
What I have observed of your posting, and many others like you who come here to defend Islam, is that you seem to think you have a right to tell other people how they should think.
Hmm, what does that indicate?
Vast numbers of things can be used as a weapon, but that is not what I am talking about.
The burqa and the head scarf are being used as tools of oppression, that is clear, and anyone who knows anyone who is a Muslim finds this out quickly.
What I want is liberty, and that is what I want for others. This pursuit has paid off very well for those of us in westernized cultures. Women who are forced to wear the burqa and the head scarf have their liberty taken away from them. Herein lies the dilemma.
This woman in the story which this thread is about was killed by her own father because she chose not to be constricted by things like a burqa or a head scarf.
She chose freedom of religion, and for that her father killed her.