Also please consider my "holographic" model on the flying snake-dragon as laser-light CHAKRA-DISC astral reality:

My interpretation into Taoism is this

The Tree of Life is the lower tan tien as the apple. The life force energy is Kundalini as the snake. The Tree of Knowledge to live like God is to eat the apple while communing with the snake -- sublimating the life force energy through the "microcosmic orbit" or "small universe" -- "small heavenly circuit" practice.

So in Western religion the left-brain dominant priests CUT OFF the Tree of Life from humans and therefore also the Tree of Knowledge, making

"original sin" as the lost connection with God in the Heart-mind of man -- which happens after the life-force energy as the Tree of Life connects with the Tree of Knowledge in the brain and then descends to the Heart where God is found.

God is the Shen or astral spirit light energy. Tree of Knowledge is the chi or electromagnetic energy. Tree of Life is the jing or electrochemical life force of the body.

But on an even deeper level is the INNATE NATURE or EMPTINESS of Taoism and Buddhism -- or the Pure Awareness of Hinduism --

which means that while God is a Spirit -- eternal truth is beyond spirit light and darkness -- beyond good and evil -- eternal truth is always-already awareness.

Christianity actually is an extension of the ancient Greek teachings which come from Egypt, Babylonian (Persia) and India and even China....

So when it's taught that God is "I Am that I Am" it's the same as the nondual awareness or Emptiness only externalized for the use of technological power through axiomatic logic.

I is the One whereas AM is the OHM or Tai-Chi symbol or the 2:3:4 of Pythagorean Kundalini teachings -- 2:3 is the yang electromagnetic chi while 3:4 is the yin or electrochemical jing energy.

Pythagoras (Snake or Kundalini Master) was the father of Greek Philosophy -- and he taught with music whereas in Taoism

the Perfect 5th music ratio 2:3 is YANG and the Perfect 4th music ratio 3:4 is YIN and the small universe microcosmic orbit "small heavenly cycle" that harmonizes the Tree of Life (lower tan tien) with the Tree of Knowledge (upper tan tien) to know God (the heart-mind middle tan tien) --

is a 12 note resonance practice (again the small universe microcosmic orbit is from the 12 notes of the yin-yang music scale!) -- the 12 notes of the music scale as the "infinite spiral of fifths" or yang spirit energy....

The process itself is eternal because it's asymmetrical whereas when Greek philosophy joined with Egyptian (Judaic) religion via Babylonia and Vedic mathematics (the concept of sunyata or zero as axiomatic logic) -- then the

"Greek Miracle" changed the natural resonance kundalini training into geometric mathematics -- the equal-tempered music scale is based on the square root of two -- so the original 12 notes of the music scale are now mis-tuned and Western music is brain-washing.

haha. Have fun.

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by Ray Amuro
How Celtic druid could have known about lion, an animal that is supposed to live in Africa?

Questions over Questions

I dont know the answer to this one...

Lions never appeared pre-roman occupation. Celts and picts never referenced them. Lions were most likely brought to the larger cities from Rome for games. Englands first rulers were after all Romans.

There were however Tigers in both Britain and Ireland, though like wolves, were hunted to extinction.

Originally posted by nighinfinite
Also this picture, when paired with the jade serpent dragon from HongShan culture, may hint at the possibility that not only the Chinese, but all animals are "Descendants of the Dragon"?

Perhaps it has something to do with the DNA helix. Like this reference.



Star for each post.

Loving the threads! These kind of threads are the reason I'm addicted to ATS.

Taking down all your notes for future references. Thanks allot, much appreciated.


Leon.

Sky, Thank you for providing yet another fantastic reason to have joined ATS recently! It is this thirst for knowledge and hunger for the truth that prompted me to join! S and F for both! Looking forward the the third part!

There is one part of the descriptions of the dragons that gave me pause. It seems that many of the descriptions of the ancient dragons are that they are pulling, or transporting the chariots of the gods. IF the dragons are a device of some kind, this would indicate to me that the dragons themselves are not actually the ships, but the engines that provide thrust to make them fly.

Another pattern of the information that caught my eye was the evolving structure of the dragons. Going from disc to elongated shapes. This reminds me of technological advancement. Perhaps the elongated shape with the described wings gave better flight characteristics than the disc shape? After all, the theory of flight and lift dynamics require a foiled wing to produce lift. The disc shape is inherently inferior to a foil wing as has been proven in modern times. Maybe this can account for the evolution from disc to elongated shape with wings.


Anyway, Fantastic Thread!

Originally posted by Jazzyguy

Originally posted by nighinfinite
Also this picture, when paired with the jade serpent dragon from HongShan culture, may hint at the possibility that not only the Chinese, but all animals are "Descendants of the Dragon"?

Perhaps it has something to do with the DNA helix. Like this reference.

Star for each post.

It's very possible. There are some artworks in ancient and modern Asia depicting double dragons intertwined, so this concept is similar to the double helix, never thought about that hah. Good catch!

Originally posted by TomSid
I had a question about the Chinese dragons and their ability to breathe fire. Do the Chinese ever mention the dragons breathing fire out and burning things, or could it be that they were trying to describe how the dragon might fly. Could it be that the ability to "breathe" fire, was just how the ancient Chinese comprehended the internal workings of the Dragon?

I´ll get to this in "part 3" which really describes what these Dragons DID and WHY I think they are alien spacecraft.

Originally posted by drew hempel
Also please consider my "holographic" model on the flying snake-dragon as laser-light CHAKRA-DISC astral reality:

yeah...*sigh*...lets get to that in third grade and just stick with first-grade curriculum now, alright?

Originally posted by DerbyCityLights
There is one part of the descriptions of the dragons that gave me pause. It seems that many of the descriptions of the ancient dragons are that they are pulling, or transporting the chariots of the gods. IF the dragons are a device of some kind, this would indicate to me that the dragons themselves are not actually the ships, but the engines that provide thrust to make them fly.

Thats good thinking. "The roaring engine" becomes "the roaring Dragon". Very interesting.

Maybe this can account for the evolution from disc to elongated shape with wings.

Interesting thinking again...

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by Rockpuck
For one, why would they be considered lizard like animals?

As Documented in the OP, in China they only turned into lizard-like-animals over time. First there was a disc. And then a coil. And then the coil opened and became a flying snake. And then a Dragon.

And why would, across vast, and I mean vast, distances would they be desribed almost identical?

Because they are. But you do have a point: Why, whether in S. America or Asia or Egypt were they called "flying serpents"? That remains unanswered.

I think the stories of fire chariots and such are better proof than dragons of alien encounters.

True. With chariots its even more obvious.

I have a third part to this in which I describe some of the behaviors of these "Dragons" though...so lets wait and see.

the mayans beliefed in QuetsQuel the king who came from heaven ona snake !



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