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Rape Victims Choice: Risk AIDS or Health Insurance?

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posted on Oct, 22 2009 @ 01:50 AM
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Rape Victims Choice: Risk AIDS or Health Insurance?


Rape Victim's Choice: Risk AIDS or Health Insurance? Read more at: www.huffingtonpost.com

Turner had let the men buy her drinks at a bar in Fort Lauderdale. The next thing she knew, she said, she was lying on a roadside with cuts and bruises that indicated she had been raped. She never developed an HIV infection. But months later, when she lost her health insurance and sought new coverage, she ran into a problem.

Turner, 45, who used to be a health insurance underwriter herself, said the insurance companies examined her health records. Even after she explained the assault, the insurers would not sell her a policy because the HIV medication raised too many health questions. They
(visit the link for the full news article)



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posted on Oct, 22 2009 @ 01:50 AM
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This is truly disgusting, because a woman maybe got raped and her doctor took some veery sensible procautions she can no longer get healthcare. I think it's about time that people realised the disgusting way private healthcare ends up treating people. It is all reliant upon these insurance companies and they are profit making machines looking to stop any and all payouts.

Rape Victim's Choice: Risk AIDS or Health Insurance?Read more at: www.huffingtonpost.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 22-10-2009 by ImaginaryReality1984]



posted on Oct, 22 2009 @ 02:36 AM
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This is sick, but why are all of these stories of health coverage denials coming out of the woodwork? Couldn't be Obama and his media drones manipulating to push a public health care option now could it?



posted on Oct, 22 2009 @ 02:40 AM
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Originally posted by lostviking
This is sick, but why are all of these stories of health coverage denials coming out of the woodwork? Couldn't be Obama and his media drones manipulating to push a public health care option now could it?


Actually these stories were common it's just that with the alternative option being offered the press are shedding more light on it. Remember the press, generally just go with public opinion, it is their job to know what the public is interested in.



posted on Oct, 22 2009 @ 02:50 AM
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What if we as a global society somehow prevented really important medicines from making a profit? Seems this scenario could be avoided.
I also don't trust a democrat politician to destroy the big-bad insurance companies with the stroke of a pen. Don't these insurance companies have representation (lobbyists) in DC? Their just gonna take this?



posted on Oct, 22 2009 @ 02:57 AM
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Sounds like good ol capitalism to me.

What's the problem?

If you don't like it maybe you should realize the real problem is a system which is based on the idea that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.



posted on Oct, 22 2009 @ 03:08 AM
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Originally posted by Jean-Luc
Sounds like good ol capitalism to me.

What's the problem?

If you don't like it maybe you should realize the real problem is a system which is based on the idea that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.


The problem is whether a company should be allowed to say "yeah well you had a treatment ages ago after being raped so we're not going to insure you and if you die then haha".

that kind of attitude is allowed in a supposedly caring society? Should an insurance company really be allowed to get away with this?



posted on Oct, 22 2009 @ 03:16 AM
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Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984

Actually these stories were common it's just that with the alternative option being offered the press are shedding more light on it. Remember the press, generally just go with public opinion, it is their job to know what the public is interested in.


Exactly. It's disgusting but this sort of thing has been happening for years. If the insurance company determines your risk outweighs your profitability, they drop you like dead weight.

The people who are fighting tooth and nail against the public option are the people who think they have good insurance, or are able to work hard for insurance. The truth is, in the United States, no matter how hard you work you could always end up being determined an insurance risk and lose any potential for coverage. It doesn't matter how good your job is, or your credit, or how responsible you are. The second you become 'unprofitable', the insurance companies will find any loophole to drop you.

This is the reason we need real reform. Not necessarily Obamacare, but any sort of reform that guarantees coverage to all citizens. A public option, if you will.



posted on Oct, 22 2009 @ 09:06 AM
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Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
Remember the press, generally just go with public opinion, it is their job to know what the public is interested in.


Actually their "job" is to form public opinion ...


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I also think that big pharma, government, and insurance companies ARE our problem - looking to any of them for solutions is just begging for more problems. Corruption in government, congress, FDA is where the cleaning needs to start.

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posted on Oct, 22 2009 @ 09:16 AM
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Rediculous.

P.S. Your link doesn't work.



posted on Oct, 22 2009 @ 09:21 AM
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Originally posted by lostviking
This is sick, but why are all of these stories of health coverage denials coming out of the woodwork? Couldn't be Obama and his media drones manipulating to push a public health care option now could it?


My god its amazing how much you people will try to blame on Obama, your probally gonna blame Obama for you blaming Obama. I mean this is clearly an example of the "best health care system in the world" americans are always speaking of



posted on Oct, 22 2009 @ 09:25 AM
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It is not healthcare that needs reform, it is the insurance industry that needs reform. Private insurance companies are in the business of making money not making sure their customers receive the health care that they need. Having insurance is like gambling against the house odds and the insurance company is the house.



posted on Oct, 22 2009 @ 09:28 AM
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Originally posted by nine0099thousand
Rediculous.

P.S. Your link doesn't work.


Link was not working, thanks for pointing that out i must have copied and pasted the wrong thing. I have now fixed it



posted on Oct, 22 2009 @ 09:32 AM
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There are many reports of problems with socialised healthcare here in the UK, however they can easily be countered with worse reports from the USA! What is funny is that the UK, having socialised healthcare spends less per person and yet has a longer life expectancy.

This is where i struggle to understand the minds of people who are against socialised healthcare. If the system can provide better care, whilst using less money then why exactly are you against it?

This story would never occur in the NHS, nor would you be in trouble for smoking, being obese, or having any pre-existing condition. You can have any condition you like and it will be treated regardless of your past.

That to me is the essence of a caring society.

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posted on Oct, 22 2009 @ 09:36 AM
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I've had an idea that might work. Who knows?

Instead of paying the healthcare insurance companies a premium every month, why not pick a doctor to send a monthly bill to, then when needed, the doctor takes care of his patients? He doesn't bill for his service because he makes his money from the monthly premiums he recieves. I say he meaning he or she.

Get rid of the middle man. Could this work?



posted on Oct, 22 2009 @ 09:40 AM
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Health Care companies have been pushing hard against any type of health care reform because it cuts into their bottom line. On the other side of that coin, seeing as how its going to come anyway, they have decided as well to go to their lawmakers and bribe them into making insurance mandatory for everyone like car insurance is for drivers.

They feel that if they can force everyone to pay for private insurance, they can then hike up the rates as much as they want.

That's why they are so dead set against a public option. If the public option passes they will have actual competition from a cheap health care provider. They wouldn't be able to gouge the public like they want so they made damn sure to try and kill any thought of a public option using the media as a voice box against it.



posted on Oct, 22 2009 @ 09:40 AM
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Err that is basically the NHS, socialised healthcare. The money goes to the government who then give it to the doctors. Whilst you may think giving directly to doctors is a good idea you don't take into account government discounts on drugs and the doctors not having to pay for private insurance.

You see bills are so high because doctors have to take out seriously heavy malpractice insurance and the medication is so high because medication companies are selling private, which means they don't really have to negotiate, the insurance company then puts on a premium in case anyone reacts to the pill and all of those costs go to the consumer.

The UK government can forefully negotiate drug costs. Where an aspirin may cost you 5 dollars it will cost us 5 cents.



posted on Oct, 22 2009 @ 09:44 AM
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This is what concerns me most ...

the government requires that I get health insurance from an insurance company.
the government fines me $3000 dollars per year for not having it.
the health insurance company requires a checkup visit to a doctor.
the doctor says after doing some test that I must take some kind of medication.
I refuse to take medication (poison)
the health insurance company drops me because I won't do the treatment.
the government fines me for not having insurance.
I refuse to pay the fine and go to jail.

This above scenario is where I think government run sickcare is going to go .. maybe not next year or even in the next five years but eventually this will be about controlling what you can and can't do with your own body.

This is about control and money ... NOT and I repeat NOT about what is best for you.

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posted on Oct, 22 2009 @ 09:47 AM
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There are several doctors who follow this model. A couple in New York state, at least one in Oregon and several others in the mid-West.

John Stossel did a feature on them for 20/20. They collected flat fees, something like $60 or $70 a month and you went in whenever you needed to.

The doctors interviewed claimed that since they stopped working with insurance companies they have actually increased their profit.

Last I new the states these doctors were in were suing them to stop their programs and go back to filing insurance claims.

Some links:

www.crainsnewyork.com...
www.msnbc.msn.com...
www.freerepublic.com...

Why anyone thinks the government cares about our best interests any more than an insurance company just baffles me.



posted on Oct, 22 2009 @ 11:03 AM
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Thanks for the links. I didn't know people were doing this already. And I agree that the government cares about as much as the insurance companies care. Care about the bottom line that is.



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