I see Alfie has trouble interpreting video testimony.

When Paik says the aircraft almost hit the roof of his shop, how does that
translate to South approach on the south side of the road?

Jthomas, please pick an option...it's not a trick question. Pretty simple
stuff.

Originally posted by turbofan
I see Alfie has trouble interpreting video testimony.

When Paik says the aircraft almost hit the roof of his shop, how does that
translate to South approach on the south side of the road?

Jthomas, please pick an option...it's not a trick question. Pretty simple
stuff.

When Paik says it bent the antenna across the street from his shop, how does that translate to North approach on the north side of the road?

Originally posted by turbofan


I don't recall Paik stating anything about the antenna.

Ask your buddies at CIT. There were there at the interview with The Loose Change crew when he said it.

BTW Pepper, Paik couldn't see the flight path beyond the roof of the Annex.

THANK YOU!

If you are taking his path as gospel, then you must concede the FDR
heading data is fake.

No, I am not.

The whole point of Paik's testimony is that it places the aircraft on the North
side of the road.

Yet, he thought the plane hit the antenna across the street from his shop. Pretty interesting.

Keep trying though...eventually, we will weed out all of your illogic and
you will see the errors you have made.

Cute. You and Balsamo have been a laughing stock of this thread. The smartest thing Rob did? No use his real name!

Originally posted by turbofan

So, let me ask you:

Are the CIT witnesses all liars? Where they coached to say and draw what
they did? Was it a stroke of a miracle that all of these people described
a similar event that never happened? How about they all told their side
of the story based on their memory recall?

Take your pick.

These questions were all answered on the previous page. I also posted several questions for you. I highly doubt you will be able to answer any of them....

So, let me ask you:

Are the CIT witnesses all liars? Where they coached to say and draw what
they did? Was it a stroke of a miracle that all of these people described
a similar event that never happened? How about they all told their side
of the story based on their memory recall?

Take your pick.

[edit on 20-11-2009 by turbofan]

The most obvious similarity between what the CIT witnesses say is that all those in a postion to see insist the plane smacked into the Pentagon. Not one reports a flyover. Are they lying about that ?

Originally posted by Alfie1


The most obvious similarity between what the CIT witnesses say is that all those in a postion to see insist the plane smacked into the Pentagon. Not one reports a flyover. Are they lying about that ?

NO silly.... the 757 Wonder Woman jet turned invisible and flew through the massive,bomb induced explosion. Come on Alfie!

Originally posted by tomk52
You're on your own. Off to the little "time out room" called "ignore" for you.

That's a good move Tom. No one should have to put up his ridiculous nonsense.

Not only is he misquoting you he's still pretending that I said something about "air" bleed off affecting the accelerometers to imply that I don't know how accelerometers operate. I said airspeed bleed-off (deceleration) would and even elaborated further in a subsequent post.

I don't believe it's a reading comprehension problem at all, it's intentional. Since he has nothing of substance to post, he's inventing strawmen in an attempt to discredit those who disagree with his ignorance and bluster.

Perhaps it's even an attempt to reduce those who reply to his posts as he knows the tactic is frustrating nonsense.

I won't put him on ignore, but will ignore most of his posts to include his silly questions to "test" your knowledge of a particular system.

He has proven over and over again that he has virtually no knowledge of aeronautics or it's system except for what he googles or gains by asking those in his cult. Just like his Messiah, he is a poseur.

[edit on 20-11-2009 by Reheat]

Originally posted by turbofan

Yup, I sure do. Those would be called, "Peanut" gyro/, or Peanut Instruments.

Nope, those are the primary instruments. It's easy to tell those are the primary instruments because they are on a page labeled;

Flight Instruments - Primary

The "Peanut" gyro/, or Peanut Instruments. also known as standby instruments would be on the page labeled;

Flight Instruments - Standby

I guess if you had read your own source you would know this.

Now, back to your incorrect understanding of the static system. You seem to think the pressure altitude information recorded on the FDR came from the standby ALT connected to the alternate static port. It did not. If you check the FDR read out you will find this:



ADC L/R stands for air data computer left or right and the FDR will record from which ever computer is active at the time. Normally the left ADC is active and that is connected to the port marked CAPT STATIC. According to your source two other pressure instruments are also connected to this port a ASI and a VSI.

Please tell me how many devices are connected to the PA altimeter
static port.

HInt: You named it in one of your previous replies.

There are three different static systems with altimeters connected to them they are CAPT STATIC, F/O STATIC and ALTERNATE STATIC you need to be specific

Originally posted by tomk52

Originally posted by turbofan
Why do some of you believe 50,000 people had to involved? No reason
for that at all.

Why don't you list all the components of your imagined conspiracy. Then the minimum number of people that would have been REASONABLY required to pull it off.

SOMEONE might find that interesting.
Not me.

I dunno.....50,000 people who have to be in on it might be a tad high, but it would definitely have to be in the tens of thousands.

Let's start with the Pentagon. Since PfT submitted that affidavit in support of April Gallop's ludicrous lawsuit, they have to believe that there were SAM missiles that were "stood down" at the Pentagon. 25,000 (round number) work inside the building, so let's just take half that number who know, for a fact, no if's, and's or but's about it, that there were no and have never been any SAM missile batteries at the Pentagon in its existence. That's 12,500 people right there who would have to be "keeping the secret" about SAMs. The remaining 12,500, for arguments sake, either don't care or are not interested in that sort of data point.

Let's add in the entire Washington Center air traffic control organization as well as Andrews (KADW), Dulles (KIAD), Reagan (KDCA), BWI (KBWI), Ft Belvoir (KDAA), and whatever other airport facility in the region who had an operating radar on that day. PfT claims the C-130, Gopher 06, did not depart on a standard Camp Springs 1 departure (the recorded clearance given to teh aircraft must have been faked) but instead was vectored north and then west to fly along the very southern edge of Prohibited Area 56 - an event that nobody in DC noticed. That should account for at least another couple of thousand.

Add in Cap't Bob's claim of the 757 dropping a "MOAB"-type weapon, flying over south parking (check with Roosevelt Roberts about what direction it was going), heading out over the Potomac and then taking off North. Another 750 or 1000 or whatever number of people on the 14th Street Bridge complex and along the eastern bank of the Potomac didn't see any of that.

Yeah, there would have to be well over 15,000 people in on the whole thing - just in the Pentagon event alone - keeping secrets, staying mum because they "fear for their jobs", not caring about this mass murder event because they are content to live off the earnings of the Caymen Island investments from the pay-outs/hush money given to them.

And CIT/PfT has.....what was it? 5 people? 14? 2? Who claim they saw the aircraft fly north of the Annex or come in from over Arlington or from directly over the Annex or from wherever (take your pick), ending up over lane 1 of south parkign at "50 to less than 100 feet", headed southwest, then turn around and drop a MOAB on the building before heading up the Potomac.

And how many people saw all this?

You guys rock, is all I can say!