7 Months After Stimulus 49 of 50 States Have Lost Jobs, page 1
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Topic started on 21-10-2009 @ 11:38 PM by plumranch

7 Months After Stimulus 49 of 50 States Have Lost Jobs


www.republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov
“It is clear from today’s jobs report that stimulus has failed to do what it promised and failed to create jobs for American workers,” said Camp. “Eight months after the President signed the stimulus bill, we are all still asking: where are the jobs? Instead of jobs, the American people got record deficits.”

49 States and the District of Columbia have lost jobs since stimulus was enacted. Only North Dakota has seen net job creation following the February 2009 stimulus.
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reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 11:48 PM by VitalTimes
reply to post by plumranch



Is this really unexpected? Has any Democratic administration in the last 40 years done anything but cost Americans jobs? Their ideology is failed.



reply posted on 22-10-2009 @ 01:08 AM by sadchild01
reply to post by midnightbrigade



no wonders , the world ,particularly russians laugh at america , , they can see and identify propaganda easily . this is not dem vs rep, reps and dems have done that has brought USA in such state, these things were planned for more than 50 years

dems and reps are the same , controlled by the same by corporates and international bankers


reply posted on 22-10-2009 @ 02:07 AM by midnightbrigade
reply to post by sadchild01



I've heard that argument before and I don't buy it. The dems sent over a buttload of folks back in the 70's to the Repubs and we call those a holes "neo-cons". THOSE groups are the same. True Repubs don't buy in to all this crap, you just never hear from them due to the stiffling by the media.



reply posted on 22-10-2009 @ 02:13 AM by Jazzyguy
reply to post by plumranch


Learn from the master, grasshopper, learn from the master.

China's economy picks up speed on massive stimulus

CHINA'S economy galloped at a world-leading 8.9 per cent in the third quarter, thanks to its massive stimulus package.


Apparently Barack is not 'communist' enough.


reply posted on 22-10-2009 @ 02:50 AM by plumranch
reply to post by Trexter Ziam





This household has been laid off for 6 months now. Thanks to stimulus!


Most of the Stimulus/ Porkulus was political payoff. Ie. unions, (esp NEA, your teachers), Democratic constituent areas pork projects.

No job incentives that I've seen. No incentives for business in spite of the $3.7 Trillion price tag! Incredible!


reply posted on 22-10-2009 @ 03:48 AM by svpwizard
reply to post by plumranch



You know along the same lines, just on Seattle news tonight they mentioned the bonuses for those executives of failed / bailed out companies and wanted to poll who thought they should keep the bonus money.... since those companies would loose all the talent..

I just had to think out load ...WTF are they talking about..... if you taker a company to bankruptcy you ARE NOT TALENT! you need your ars fired not given a friggen bonus!!

so the fact all that stimulus money had no affect is not a surprise in the least! it never touched anyone who actually makes a difference. I wonder in hindsight what could have happened had they gave / made available small business loans instead of giving it to those failed morons.....



reply posted on 22-10-2009 @ 03:53 AM by svpwizard
Originally posted by Jazzyguy
reply to
post by plumranch


Learn from the master, grasshopper, learn from the master.

China's economy picks up speed on massive stimulus

CHINA'S economy galloped at a world-leading 8.9 per cent in the third quarter, thanks to its massive stimulus package.


Apparently Barack is not 'communist' enough.


I think the key to this working is as is happening in CHINA .... they are LENDING the money out!! on the other hand here in the states they are dividing it up among each other and buying smaller companies with it.... its not getting anywhere near the populace.


reply posted on 22-10-2009 @ 04:45 AM by Jazzyguy
reply to post by svpwizard



I found it rather ironic that the newbie capitalist communist china can actually make their stimulus to work but the old veteran capitalist USofA cannot.

Chinese stimulus is a much bigger stimulus than of the US and they don't need any permission from the people or other party to issue that stimulus.

Chinese stimulus vs. U.S. bailout

Meanwhile, the Chinese government has been very specific about how its money will be spent: on tax cuts, infrastructure and social programs such as health care and education. Some begged China to use its foreign reserves to bail out the U.S. financial system.


I wonder who begged the chinese... Hilary?

Many economists have pointed to the size of the Chinese package (China's GDP is about a quarter of the size of ours) to point out that, if anything, America needs to throw more money at the problem. They may well be right: Considering the depth of the crisis, this is no time for timidity. But what's even more important than the size of our bailout is whether the money is being spent wisely: as an investment that will help the American economy recover and eventually, grow. And right now, the signs coming out of both Congress and the Treasury aren't comforting.



reply posted on 22-10-2009 @ 09:42 AM by mythatsabigprobe
Originally posted by VitalTimes
reply to
post by plumranch



Is this really unexpected? Has any Democratic administration in the last 40 years done anything but cost Americans jobs? Their ideology is failed.


How about some truth in advertising?


DEMS
TRUMAN 1945-1953 PLUS 8.2 MILLION JOBS. DEBT/GDP=REDUCED 46.2% RECESSIONS=1. END OF TERM=BOOM
KENNEDY 1961-1963 PLUS 3.7 MILLION JOBS. DEBT/GDP=REDUCED 8.2% RECESSIONS=0. END OF TERM=BOOM
JOHNSON 1963-1969 PLUS 12 MILLION JOBS. DEBT/GDP=REDUCED 8.3% RECESSIONS=0. END OF TERM=BOOM
CARTER 1977-1981 PLUS 10.3 MILLION JOBS. DEBT/GDP=REDUCED 3.2% RECESSIONS=1. END OF TERM=BOOM
CLINTON 1993-2001 PLUS 22.7 MILLION JOBS. DEBT/GDP=REDUCED 8.8% RECESSIONS=0. END OF TERM=BOOM
OBAMA 2009 MINUS 3.4 MILLION JOBS. DEBT/GDP=INCREASED ~4%% RECESSIONS=1. END OF TERM=?
=========
TOTAL TIME = 29 YEARS
TOTAL JOBS CREATED 53.5 MILLION
TOTAL DEBT TO GDP REDUCED = 70.7%
TOTAL RECESSIONS=3 (1 ON-GOING)


REPS
EISENHOWER 1953-1961 PLUS 3.5 MILLION JOBS. DEBT/GDP=REDUCED 16.2% RECESSIONS=3. END OF TERM=RECESSION
NIXON 1969-1974 PLUS 8.6 MILLION JOBS. DEBT/GDP=REDUCED 2.9% RECESSIONS=2. END OF TERM=RECESSION
FORD 1974-1977 PLUS 2.6 MILLION JOBS. DEBT/GDP=INCREASED 0.1% RECESSIONS=0. END OF TERM=BOOM
REAGAN 1981-1989 PLUS 16.1 MILLION JOBS. DEBT/GDP=INCREASED 20.5% RECESSIONS=1. END OF TERM=BOOM
GEORGE H.W. BUSH 1989-1993 PLUS 2.6 MILLION JOBS. DEBT/GDP=INCREASED 13.1% RECESSIONS=1. END OF TERM=RECESSION
GEORGE W. BUSH 2001-2009 PLUS 1.8 MILLION JOBS. DEBT/GDP=INCREASED 18.1% RECESSIONS=2. END OF TERM=RECESSION
=========
TOTAL TIME = 36 YEARS
TOTAL JOBS CREATED = 35.2 MILLION
TOTAL DEBT TO GDP INCREASED = 32.7%
TOTAL RECESSIONS=9


Sources: Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis - Total Nonfarm Payrolls (PDF File)
National Debt by U.S. President - Wikipedia


reply posted on 22-10-2009 @ 11:22 AM by plumranch
reply to post by Jazzyguy





Many economists have pointed to the size of the Chinese package (China's GDP is about a quarter of the size of ours) to point out that, if anything, America needs to throw more money at the problem. They may well be right: Considering the depth of the crisis, this is no time for timidity. But what's even more important than the size of our bailout is whether the money is being spent wisely


The Chinese bailout is a bigger risk, IMHO. China is really putting themselves out on a limb mainly because its internal debt is about 20% of GDP even before this large bailout.

The problem with our bailout as has been mentioned over and over, the money is not being spent wisely.

Good post, none the less.
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