Originally posted by 27jd
Wish i could say the same, but i honestly have ZERO respect for partisan drones, who eat, breathe, and poop strictly according to party lines. To me, you're at the same level of absurdity as the "hard ass right wing survivalist types". I'm really not trying to be a a-hole, but i'm just sick to death of seeing the minds of otherwise intelligent human beings controlled so easily. It reduces my hopes that one day our civilization will be a bit more fair and humane. But you call that "wishing for the end of all things".

I'm sorry to disappoint you but yes I am partisan. It is not so much that I'm for democrats or Obama, but I despise right wingers. Your description of me is the same I would have said about them in 2003 when Bush was beating the drums of war and invaded Iraq. This was an unnecessary war where we where mislead and real people were killed and it doesn't even compare to those like you complaining because of some bailouts or Obama is cutting some execs paycheck.

I'm sure that personally you are someone that is respectable and in real life we might even get along. It just bothers me to see a bunch of conservatives jumping onto the Obama bashing bandwagon. Maybe that is the nature of conspiracy website, but ATS is over run with bashers.

For christsake Obama hasn't done anything wrong yet, and certainly nothing that compares to invading another country. You and I both agree that this country is being controlled by corporations, but if that is true then you can't say that Obama and the government is taking over corporations and trying to turn this into a socialist country. It is the complete opposite of that right now. The corporations control the government. That is what makes this restriction to execs pay so important. Obama is doing a GOOD thing.

Looking from that perspective can't you agree with that? If not then we will have to agree to disagree.

Originally posted by Hal9000
Maybe that is the nature of conspiracy website, but ATS is over run with bashers.

Not maybe, it is the nature. Don't you remember the Bush years here on ATS? Don't you remember all the conservative members complaining non-stop about the "Bush-bashers" and how unpatriotic we all were? I was just as hard on Bush as I am on Obama, harder even, because like you said he hasn't screwed up nearly as bad, yet. I voted for Obama, because of my Bush/republican fatigue. But, the first half of this year it has become more apparent to me than ever that both "wings" fly right up the @sses of greedy bankers and corporations. It's become more apparent to me that there really is no difference, they just use 'hot button' issues and feigned opposition to each other, to manipulate us to focus more on each other than them. The character (IMO) that Obama is playing, is a good one. But again, i think there was some agreement reached behind closed doors, and these execs are going to get the money, in some other way.

I'm just tired of being treated like dumb livestock, by a very small percentage of greedy old men who have everybody by the balls.

This should have been done a very very long time ago. The crooks at wall street are the real crimnals.

Here we go once again! I live in Canada your nieghbouring country, please correct me if i am wrong, but isn't something going down in december? the transfer of carbon credits to 3rd world countries and the channeling of billions of dollars to said countries of course to allow the us military to go into said country to rape and pillage as normal and have haliburton come in to rebuild? have we seen this before, me thinks so, will we see this again, more than likely, who profits from this? who are the people that head these corporations? we, the people, well at least on here now who runs those shows. What was that movie called, Ah, i remember, it was called i think, " the shooter" it started out in africa on a hill somewhere with a marine sniper and sighter, it's funny how we forget, it was about a us company wanting to remove indiginious people from there traditional homeland because some big western us or canadian company like Varrick gold could come in and displace those people, and if those said people were not willing to move, well, remove them by force,.. to close to the truth, the cia, the kiss people and then the two RR's Rosch and Rock, including that canadian guy, good old Mulroney and perhaps others? It's really to obsurd to even really consider what these people, if they are really people and what goes on inside there brains, are they as david icke says ..greys, dunno, i worked for them for a number of years,..that still scares me, i walked away totally in 1991. yes i speak out, but my vehicle does not blow up with me in it yet, so what more can i say? So to all of you speak up and out, be heard, do not fear, let's take them, the ptb out, many many of us to few of them, let's make that world policy! goodnight and peace to all.

That's a big joke. That's a distraction.

They gave TRILLIONS to the banks. Now they want to ``slash their salaries``... what a joke.

It's like saying im giving you a 5 million dollar bonus that nobody knows about, then because you've been bad, in front of all the other employees, I cut your salary by 90%... all the others employees think that I screwed you when IN FACT, WE ARE IN BUSINESS TOGETHER.

Originally posted by Hal9000
I think that we agree that corporations are controlling Washington, and if so, doesn't the fact that Obama cutting the pay of some corp execs is a step in the right direction?

I already answered that in my first post, i'm glad their pay is getting cut if it genuinely is, however like i also said, a good part of me believes that they've worked out another way for them to benefit obscenely behind closed doors.

Maybe I'm asking too much from a conservative.

A conservative? Usually i'm called a "looney liberal" on so many other threads, lol. I suppose i can take pride in that, guess i'm truly an independent.

Do you really think it's just conservatives who are upset at the government? I'm not upset for the same reasons most of them are, they are pretty much being sore losers. Again, i voted for Obama, i have nothing against him directly. I'm fed up with ALL of the career politicians and lobbyists.

[edit on 24-10-2009 by 27jd]

Originally posted by 27jd
I already answered that in my first post, i'm glad their pay is getting cut if it genuinely is, however like i also said, a good part of me believes that they've worked out another way for them to benefit obscenely behind closed doors.

If you agree, then why are you arguing with me?

A conservative? Usually i'm called a "looney liberal" on so many other threads, lol. I suppose i can take pride in that, guess i'm truly an independent.

I'll give you "looney" and will say I've never been called "Hyper-partisan drone" before. I guess we're even.

Do you really think it's just conservatives who are upset at the government? I'm not upset for the same reasons most of them are, they are pretty much being sore losers. Again, i voted for Obama, i have nothing against him directly. I'm fed up with ALL of the career politicians and lobbyists.

Ok, that's fine. I'm still confused as to why your arguing with me, but yes for the most part I think these people are just being sore loosers. I know there are others that don't like the government regardless of who is in power. It is easy to tell then apart. They will criticize the government in a reasonable manner instead of making up lies or pushing ideas they know are not true. In some cases I would even agree with them otherwise I wouldn't be here.

I am also open minded and look into these rumors to see if there is anything to them first. That's what we do here at ATS, but it is the outlandish bashing that bothers me.

Cheers.

Originally posted by Hal9000
If you agree, then why are you arguing with me?

I wasn't arguing that point with you, we were arguing about the necessity of the bailout, under the threat they would destroy us all.

I'll give you "looney" and will say I've never been called "Hyper-partisan drone" before. I guess we're even.

I do have a way with words sometimes. That's just how i see it, i find it hard to truly believe that anybody would follow party lines on every issue if they were truly thinking for themselves. And i won't argue being called "looney", gotta be a little to survive in this world. I'm just not a conservative or a liberal. I lean both ways on many different issues.

That's what we do here at ATS, but it is the outlandish bashing that bothers me.

It bothers me too. Again, the only thing we were arguing about was the need to bailout those greedy corporations. You'll find many a thread where i call out the Obama bashers who just don't like Obama, no matter what he did. If he walked on water, they would say he couldn't swim. It bothered me when Bush was in office too.

I'm not against the government, i know we need it to function as a society. I'm not an anarchist, i'm just not blind. I see our politicians very clearly looking out for themselves and nobody else. I see them feigning outrage over corporate abuses for the cameras, but when you look at their action, it directly contradicts what they say. I strongly believe that lobbyists should be banned from washington. Politicians should ONLY recieve money from the people, and be held accountable only to the people. Lobbying is bribery.

Originally posted by 27jd
I wasn't arguing that point with you, we were arguing about the necessity of the bailout, under the threat they would destroy us all.

Alright. Thanks for clearing that up. I still think that the bailouts were necessary judging from what I've seen at work. I don't like it myself, but I think the entire economy would have collapsed. You may not agree, and that's fine. But just because my opinion differs from yours, doesn't mean I am only agreeing with it because of my political views. I've seen half the people in my company loose their jobs and with the economy the way it is, they are not going to find another one. They will have to take something less and their standard of living will be less. That's why I think we needed the bailouts. They were meant to stop the hemorrhaging of job loss.

No, it is not right that the government is controlling the market and it looks like we are rewarding bad behavior, but I think the bailouts helped save some jobs. Now we need to do something about these companies so this doesn't happen again. We need more regulation and these companies should be reorganized. The cutting of the exec pay may appear to be only to appease some of us, but I don't think Obama deserves criticism for doing it. In this case he is doing something right.

I also agree about that lobbying needs reformed, but that is another topic.

[edit on 10/24/2009 by Hal9000]

Originally posted by Hal9000
The cutting of the exec pay may appear to be only to appease some of us, but I don't think Obama deserves criticism for doing it. In this case he is doing something right.

I agree, if it's not just a show and other deals were worked out with the execs, in order for them to play along. I just have a gut feeling that's what happened. Time will tell i guess.

It was only half the fact that the CEO's were getting bonuses...

If the democratic leadership would have listened to the people like they claim to do, In all honesty I would probably be a supporter once again.

They break it, they fix it, break it fix it. Its getting old.