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Originally posted by Jim Scott
Luckily for all of us, all Bible contradictions are explained.
Start here: www.apologeticsindex.org...
If we can explain all the Bible contradictions to you, will you become a Christian? Probably not. The Bible predicted you would not. bible.cc...
When God wants you to come to Him, He will call you:
John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him:
Those of you who want to destroy religion, take heed.
Originally posted by APOCOLYPSE DAWN
I am just one man that does alot of research and trust God to lead me down the right path.
22:18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book, if anyone adds to them, may God add to him the plagues which are written in this book.
22:19 If anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, may God take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the holy city, which are written in this book.
Originally posted by george_gaz
Originally posted by APOCOLYPSE DAWN
I am just one man that does alot of research and trust God to lead me down the right path.
Would that be the same path that the crusaders were lead down or maybe the Inquisitors? That didn't end too well.
Originally posted by Jessicaviv
This is always such a hard topic to brooch since religion is a heated debate, it is hard to find evidence or the lack there of and maintain an unbiased nature. Impossible even.
As an agnostic myself I do not profess to know the answers, I can only ration what I believe to be right and wrong about the bible. But even that is a null interpretations of the written word, for who here on earth is qualified enough to adequately interpret the bible and its meaning wrapped in parables wrapped in a conundrum?
No one! no scholar or priest, or even historian. Theres no record of how best to interpret the word and I believe the last 2 verse in the bible speak to damnation if... let me quote here
Revelations
22:18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book, if anyone adds to them, may God add to him the plagues which are written in this book.
22:19 If anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, may God take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the holy city, which are written in this book.
With my simple mind I can easily understand this statement to mean. DO NOT INTERPRET MY WORD, TAKE IT AS IT WAS WRITTEN". But then how best to we ration the impossibility of some of these fables. We think of them as mere metaphors but ALAS, god has told us not to think of them as metaphors, do not interpret my meanings just read and believe them.
Is this not a fair and accurate account of the dilemma in reading and understanding the bible?
Originally posted by chiron613
These "contradictions" mostly don't exist. They are based on invalid assumptions that people made, that aren't necessarily true. For example, God separated light and dark; then created the Sun. The light and dark that God created didn't necessarily include the Sun, so there's no contradiction. And so on.
There are plenty of contradictions in the Bible. But most of these are not among them.
In 1617, James gave a daring address to the Privy Council, affirming his right to love men once and for all:
"I, James, am neither a god nor an angel, but a man, like any other. Therefore I act like a man and confess to loving those dear to me more than other men. You may be sure that I love the Earl of Buckingham more than anyone else, and more than you who are here assembled. I wish to speak in my own behalf and not to have it thought to be a defect, for Jesus Christ did the same, and therefore I cannot be blamed. Christ had John, and I have George."
Originally posted by Jessicaviv
Heres anther fact to Nispy your Noodle:
The most wildly read version of the bible the King James version was edited tremendously from its original Geneva script, to reflect an episcopalian structure.Before that is was edited and revised a great many of times throughout history as far back as Constantine. But that is another Fallacy all in it's self.
Lets get back to King James AKA, the homosexual. I will not even site sources here because I'd rather you go find this out for yourself. King James was indeed a great lover of men, married with children yes, but he had 3 great male loves during his life;
Esme Stuart > Duke of Lennox (cousin to James)
Robert Carr > Scotsmen (feel at a festival and James came to his aid)
George Villiers > Bedchamber groom to Earl of Buckingham, James great love. James often addressed Buckingham as "Only sweet and dear child," "Sweetheart," and "Sweet child and wife," and signed himself in letters to George as "Thy dear dad and husband."
In 1617, James gave a daring address to the Privy Council, affirming his right to love men once and for all:
"I, James, am neither a god nor an angel, but a man, like any other. Therefore I act like a man and confess to loving those dear to me more than other men. You may be sure that I love the Earl of Buckingham more than anyone else, and more than you who are here assembled. I wish to speak in my own behalf and not to have it thought to be a defect, for Jesus Christ did the same, and therefore I cannot be blamed. Christ had John, and I have George."
Another interesting factoid here: Unlike other ancient wittings like hieroglyphs, seminarian tablets, the dead sea scrolls, epics of Gilgamesh, name your history.. No record of the original Hebrew script of the bible exist. Not one piece or shred of its infinite existence remains today.
Jessica,
Thank you for joining us on this discussion!
Please use discernment when reading the Bible it will help you along the way. If you come across a verse or group of verses that seem really HARD or DIFFICULT to understand then take a break and re look at the body of text by starting with your observations... this should clear up a majority of "Hard" scriptures. Remember if a complex verse seems to you that it contradicts another simple verse then I am willing to bet someone needs to do some more Observation before trying to make an interpretation.
22:7 "Behold, I come quickly. Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book."
22:8 Now I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. When I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who had shown me these things.
22:9 He said to me, "See you don't do it! I am a fellow bondservant with you and with your brothers, the prophets, and with those who keep the words of this book. Worship God."
22:10 He said to me, "Don't seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is at hand.
22:11 He who acts unjustly, let him act unjustly still. He who is filthy, let him be filthy still. He who is righteous, let him do righteousness still. He who is holy, let him be holy still."
22:12 "Behold, I come quickly. My reward is with me, to repay to each man according to his work.
22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
22:14 Blessed are those who do his commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city.
22:15 Outside are the dogs, the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
22:16 I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify these things to you for the assemblies. I am the root and the offspring of David; the Bright and Morning Star."
22:17 The Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" He who hears, let him say, "Come!" He who is thirsty, let him come. He who desires, let him take the water of life freely.
22:18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book, if anyone adds to them, may God add to him the plagues which are written in this book.
22:19 If anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, may God take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the holy city, which are written in this book.
22:20 He who testifies these things says, "Yes, I come quickly." Amen! Yes, come, Lord Jesus.
22:21 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with all the saints. Amen.
PRETTY MUCH JUST A RECAP OF ALL THE BOOKS CORRECT??
The point I was trying to make and thank you for demonstrating is clearly is that there is no accurate interpretation of these words. I am simply reading and understanding it as the word implies. For me to take it any other way would be discouraged as this verse tells us.
Originally posted by Jessicaviv
reply to post by APOCOLYPSE DAWN
King James sexuality has everything to do with the bible, almost the entire book of Leviticus condemns 'sins of the flesh' like homosexuality.
I have no problem at all with his preferences but in perspective of the written word that so closely condemns others, this kind of hypocrisy completely undermines the a the authority the book.