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Originally posted by APOCOLYPSE DAWN
He was talking about a specific book which he believed to be contradictory. Many books in the bible were written by a single author!
Originally posted by APOCOLYPSE DAWN
also doc if you believe the bible is incomplete then you could not be a christian and the reasoning for that would be the fact that if the bible was incomplete that would leave room for error and as many theologians understand and know the bible is supposed to be flawless for the claims that it makes.
Originally posted by Doc Velocity
Originally posted by APOCOLYPSE DAWN
He was talking about a specific book which he believed to be contradictory. Many books in the bible were written by a single author!
But the Bible as a whole is not the work of one author. The authors of the Bible are long separated by time and distance.
Originally posted by APOCOLYPSE DAWN
also doc if you believe the bible is incomplete then you could not be a christian and the reasoning for that would be the fact that if the bible was incomplete that would leave room for error and as many theologians understand and know the bible is supposed to be flawless for the claims that it makes.
Here we go again... I do not "believe" the Bible is incomplete. The Bible is obviously a complete compilation. It was compiled by certain people to support their specific beliefs.
The Bible is a complete compilation, but it is not the only divinely-inspired scripture out there. A lot of divinely-inspired material was omitted from the compilation of the Bible. This does not mean the Bible is incomplete — It IS complete for its purpose. But there is more information out there that should be assimilated before you make sweeping statements about the Bible. Because those other scriptures provide explanations for many of the controversial issues that atheists and theists debate.
As for my being a Christian, I tell you that I AM a Christian, a THINKING Christian, and nobody can tell me I'm not.
My wife and I just returned from a religious retreat up in Colorado, where we were holed-up with 16 senior Lutheran pastors who manage missions all around the world. For four days, we talked non-stop Christianity, from 7 am to 11 pm every day. We discussed, we debated, we contemplated, we debated some more, and we came out of the experience feeling like we had been ridden hard and put away wet. It was exhausting.
But every senior pastor there knew that when they dealt with me, they were dealing with a man of Faith. I don't mind saying that I even intimidated a couple of these pastors. I didn't intend to intimidate them, but my Faith just rolls out like a steamroller, okay, and I speak and write spontaneously on the subject.
So, no, you can't tell me that I MUST accept everything in the Bible as the undiluted Word of God. Because I know some of it IS DILUTED by the hand of Man.
See how that works? You tell me I can't do something and I'll show you that I very surely can.
— Doc Velocity
Originally posted by John Matrix
These proposed contradictions are based solely on someone's ignorance concerning the scriptures and/or a desire to discredit the Bible.
ALL of these proposed contradictions have been debunked long ago, and the information is all online to explain each one of them.....if people care to look and set there foolish biases and prejudices aside.
Two thumbs down Bible bashing.
Haven't you got better things to do than attempting to gain ATS points through Bible bashing? You know darn well that threads like this just fan the flames by bringing out all the anti-Christian and anti-Christ zealots....so why do you do it?
Originally posted by Doc Velocity
Originally posted by APOCOLYPSE DAWN
also doc if you believe the bible is incomplete then you could not be a christian and the reasoning for that would be the fact that if the bible was incomplete that would leave room for error and as many theologians understand and know the bible is supposed to be flawless for the claims that it makes.
Here we go again... I do not "believe" the Bible is incomplete. The Bible is obviously a complete compilation. It was compiled by certain people to support their specific beliefs.
The Bible is a complete compilation, but it is not the only divinely-inspired scripture out there. A lot of divinely-inspired material was omitted from the compilation of the Bible. This does not mean the Bible is incomplete — It IS complete for its purpose. But there is more information out there that should be assimilated before you make sweeping statements about the Bible. Because those other scriptures provide explanations for many of the controversial issues that atheists and theists debate.
As for my being a Christian, I tell you that I AM a Christian, a THINKING Christian, and nobody can tell me I'm not.
My wife and I just returned from a religious retreat up in Colorado, where we were holed-up with 16 senior Lutheran pastors who manage missions all around the world. For four days, we talked non-stop Christianity, from 7 am to 11 pm every day. We discussed, we debated, we contemplated, we debated some more, and we came out of the experience feeling like we had been ridden hard and put away wet. It was exhausting.
But every senior pastor there knew that when they dealt with me, they were dealing with a man of Faith. I don't mind saying that I even intimidated a couple of these pastors. I didn't intend to intimidate them, but my Faith just rolls out like a steamroller, okay, and I speak and write spontaneously on the subject.
So, no, you can't tell me that I MUST accept everything in the Bible as the undiluted Word of God. Because I know some of it IS DILUTED by the hand of Man.
See how that works? You tell me I can't do something and I'll show you that I very surely can.
— Doc Velocity
Originally posted by MeltDowN
I do not have the same beliefs as you Doc, but I think we can agree that person is more delusional than either of us...I'm really not sure where it gets it's info from but geez...and it called me a troll?
Originally posted by APOCOLYPSE DAWN
Originally posted by Doc Velocity
Originally posted by APOCOLYPSE DAWN
also doc if you believe the bible is incomplete then you could not be a christian and the reasoning for that would be the fact that if the bible was incomplete that would leave room for error and as many theologians understand and know the bible is supposed to be flawless for the claims that it makes.
Here we go again... I do not "believe" the Bible is incomplete. The Bible is obviously a complete compilation. It was compiled by certain people to support their specific beliefs.
Doc this was not attack on your faith or beliefs but rather a hypothetical statement that if you do not believe in the completeness of the bible that you would be supporting a "compilation of books" like you so eloquently put it of incompleteness and that there could be another book out there that refutes christs teachings. Is that a clearer description of what I was trying to get across?
The Bible is a complete compilation, but it is not the only divinely-inspired scripture out there. A lot of divinely-inspired material was omitted from the compilation of the Bible. This does not mean the Bible is incomplete — It IS complete for its purpose. But there is more information out there that should be assimilated before you make sweeping statements about the Bible. Because those other scriptures provide explanations for many of the controversial issues that atheists and theists debate.
As for my being a Christian, I tell you that I AM a Christian, a THINKING Christian, and nobody can tell me I'm not.
My wife and I just returned from a religious retreat up in Colorado, where we were holed-up with 16 senior Lutheran pastors who manage missions all around the world. For four days, we talked non-stop Christianity, from 7 am to 11 pm every day. We discussed, we debated, we contemplated, we debated some more, and we came out of the experience feeling like we had been ridden hard and put away wet. It was exhausting.
But every senior pastor there knew that when they dealt with me, they were dealing with a man of Faith. I don't mind saying that I even intimidated a couple of these pastors. I didn't intend to intimidate them, but my Faith just rolls out like a steamroller, okay, and I speak and write spontaneously on the subject.
So, no, you can't tell me that I MUST accept everything in the Bible as the undiluted Word of God. Because I know some of it IS DILUTED by the hand of Man.
See how that works? You tell me I can't do something and I'll show you that I very surely can.
— Doc Velocity
Like I mentioned above in this post I am not saying you can or cant do anything. I too am writing at the seat of my pants here. I respect your input and your contributions to this discussion! ok seriously one more post for meltdown and then im out!
Originally posted by MeltDowN
i'm not sure why you feel a "compilation of books" is oh so bad, have you not done a basic history search ? Do you think i am against the teaching of the old and new testament...I am no more against them than teachings from a Stephen King book. If you really think thats insulting you haven't read his work.
I'm not sure why you keep this fundamental mindset, and you keep on being insulting whilst using this
Seriously, if you honestly think you are proving christianity by example, you are doing anything but.
Originally posted by APOCOLYPSE DAWN
Originally posted by SaturnFX
hope Apoc will write the whole story...watch as on the 7th day, the omnipotent diety gets pooped and takes the day off....I mean...who woulda thought a God can get tuckered out.
still, 6 day workweek...he must work out.
incidently...the reason people pick apart the bible is simple...the faster the bible can be smashed down into silliness, the faster all of the major religions of the world can collapse, and the faster we can live in peace without parts of the world demanding their God is better, stronger, faster than your God and start bombing you to prove their point.
world religion is a institution propped up and fully supported by Satan (chew on that for a bit). and destroys the divinity of personal spirituality with icons, books, earth rituals, physical representations, etc.
the only worthwhile thing to take out of the bible is that Jesus hated preachers and the church..hell, he even got crusified because his hatred for such nonsense was rampant and he got the old robes angry at him.
You know whats funny! its that Satan or whatever name you want to give him wants you to reject "Faith" not religion but "Faith" in God and in Christ... I really like the last bit you pointed out it makes my point: The bible states that the Devil is here to bring us further from a relationship with God... (This is not to be confused with the church, priests or religion) So if I chose to worship this computer I am typing on then who am I worshiping God or my computer? Didnt a man create the computer? so what makes the computer greater than the man? is it not a tool for man to ease his workload? So to get back on track if I worship this computer I am not worshiping God and therefore Satan is winning. Lack of a relationship with God = 1 more soul brought down with him. Jesus did not hate preachers take that MISCONCEPTION out of your beliefs. Jesus was infuriated with the teachings that they were spreading. Christ tells us not to hate the sinner but to hate the sin! Remember that!
Like I said earlier Study the history and the people of that time especially the Jews and you will understand why they crucified him! They were looking for a Political leader to conquer the Romans and bring them into a new era! Just like Moses did for them when they were in Egypt...
Originally posted by MeltDowN
"Christ Died for my Sins so I am not worried about it"
I'm not angry, satanic or evil, nor did I say you said I was...But I am making it clear, with no sarcasm.
You say that the bible is a compilation of books, which bible do you speak of? You would be correct no matter what your answer was.
"there were also thousands of books written by many different people at those times that were proven to be so called "blasphemy" or were determined to not be from God by the scholars of that time."
You say "thousands of books". I would ask you to name 256 of those...
"were proven to be so called "blasphemy" or were determined to not be from God by the scholars of that time."
I would like to see record of this. NOT only that but why you also believe this. I already know why but I would like to see what you come up with....I have no doubt someone will come help you explain it all away.
I also am just a man, unlike yourself I do not have the exuse that jesus has forgiven on grace itself.
would this be an inproper time to put a smiley?
[edit on 22-10-2009 by MeltDowN]
Originally posted by PApro
we must understaind one thing here. the bible is the most published, most translated most rewritten book out there.. we cant think that the bibles of today are exactly as the original text. no matter what version things surly changed and twisted along the way.. think of the game telephone, one person wispers into anothers ear and so on and so on. by the end the original story usualy has nothing to do with what the last person hears.