Interesting topic.... I had always assumed in the event of a "catastrophic sit x" scenario that the dogs would disappear in about a month just like anything else that walks on 4 legs. (disappear into the bellies of the hordes of hungry humans who ran out of food in a week) So I never gave this "threat" a second thought.

I have read if you put vinegar around the perimeter of the yard, they do not like it. How true? No idea.

The only things birds will take down around here are chickens...


Hmmm... I wonder if we should start an ATS Survivalists cookbook for dogs (an include a few for Hawks or Eagles just incase we get one of them while we're popping off the dogs)...?

To take out dogs, coyotes, wolves. you take a springy piece of metal wood or bamboo with sharp points on the ends and bend it double and put it inside a piece of meat.about 1/2 the size of your fist or smaller.

These animals when in packs will grab and gulp down meat before others in the pack can take it from them.

These metal wood or bamboo pieces will open up in the animals digestive track and kill them with in days.

Broken glass in meat also works to take out dangerous animal packs.

The biggest danger may not be from attacks by these dog packs.
but may come from 3 or more or packs working a area and killing off large game you need to survive.

[edit on 22-10-2009 by ANNED]

I say this from experience after being attacked by a pack of feral Rottweilers while I was walking home drunk one night.)

Now that should be the start of its own thread!!

The idea that dogs are cowardly probably will work a good deal of the time but not always.

We've all heard about dog owners being mauled or killed by their own dogs on occasion. This will happen when these dogs are running together in packs.

Imagine a pack of 10-15 dogs and many of them are pit bulls, rottweilers, german sheperds, mastifs, and so forth. The first dogs to be turned out by their owners will be the ones that take the most effort to feed. They are most likely going to be the most agressive and have the least fear of humans.

These will be the dogs that go wild first, breed first and develop pack leadership. They have many of the abilities of wolves but have no fear of man and are accustomed to us and our food and dwellings.

They become wild quickly and their offspring are going to be born wild.

Dogs will be a threat.

Country folk and farmers have often had experiences with wild dog packs....

Not so many years ago, my Grandad discovered a pack of strays circling his mule, made a hasty retreat to the house for his rifle and returned to even the odds.

The mule had managed to keep the dogs at bay, but he was lathered and tiring badly, it would not have taken long for the pack to move in and get him down...

This pack was made up of various types of dogs, in a range of sizes....the smaller ones were likely female, as smaller males would have been driven off.
They behaved like an organized group, surrounding the larger animal, circling and taking turns diving at his heels till he was exhausted....

Grandad cautiously followed the pack after they ran off, finding that they had 'burrows' in a nearby wooded area. One even had a litter of pups in a nicely dug, dry hollow under a fallen tree's root......the pups were 'good looking' and seemed to have no fear of humans, so he tucked one into the bibb of his overalls and left.

He rounded up a few other neighbors and that night they returned to the den and killed most of the pack....( the pups were all saved and given to good homes).

We have recently had some trouble with dogs that were left behind when some neighbors faced foreclosure and lost their homes....apparently leaving their pets to fend for themselves. We know they got quite a few chickens, and suspect them in the disappearance of a cat....at least two neighbors had their smaller dogs attacked.

We've taken care of the problem for now, ( rifle and county animal control traps)...but as hard times continue so will this risk....

I'd rather eliminate the threat quickly and humanely. I don't see whats wrong with that.