Originally posted by Lister87
Originally posted by network dude
I am a person who believes in God. I even talk to him fro time to time.
Then you should be in a ward.
what will commit me to the padded room is that sometimes he talks back.
no really.
The Atheist agenda?, page 4
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reply posted on 22-10-2009 @ 07:06 AM by CHA0S
reply to post by network dude
Not to be rude...but what are some of the things he says to you? I would be interested to know...
Not to be rude...but what are some of the things he says to you? I would be interested to know...
reply posted on 22-10-2009 @ 07:32 AM by network dude
reply to post by CHA0S
when I have particularly bad things happen or real tough decisions I ask him questions, in my head not out loud. I will sometimes just get things pop into my head that sort of point me in the right direction, but the most memorable answers came as songs on the radio that either I never heard before, or hadn't heard in quite a while and for whatever reason, I pay close attention to the words and they speak to me directly. It may sound crazy, but when you can see the end of your rope, you tend to put crazy in perspective.
He spoke directly enough that I have no personal doubts about his existence. But I am very much against preaching to those who have no interest. thanks for asking.
[edit on 22-10-2009 by network dude]
when I have particularly bad things happen or real tough decisions I ask him questions, in my head not out loud. I will sometimes just get things pop into my head that sort of point me in the right direction, but the most memorable answers came as songs on the radio that either I never heard before, or hadn't heard in quite a while and for whatever reason, I pay close attention to the words and they speak to me directly. It may sound crazy, but when you can see the end of your rope, you tend to put crazy in perspective.
He spoke directly enough that I have no personal doubts about his existence. But I am very much against preaching to those who have no interest. thanks for asking.
[edit on 22-10-2009 by network dude]
reply posted on 22-10-2009 @ 09:34 AM by m khan
reply to post by network dude
But God does talk back to you. What is amazing is to have a dialogue and you know that it's not you. The things he says aren't things your imagination would make up and they are not always things you want to hear.
One time a friend of mine set up a Hindu alter to bless the student's books. She invited me to add my childrens books and my textbooks and I was about to say sure, but a voice in my head, that was not me, said "for the Lord your God is a jealous God" so I didn't. He really seems to care about the things He says in the Bible that He cares about.
But God does talk back to you. What is amazing is to have a dialogue and you know that it's not you. The things he says aren't things your imagination would make up and they are not always things you want to hear.
One time a friend of mine set up a Hindu alter to bless the student's books. She invited me to add my childrens books and my textbooks and I was about to say sure, but a voice in my head, that was not me, said "for the Lord your God is a jealous God" so I didn't. He really seems to care about the things He says in the Bible that He cares about.
reply posted on 22-10-2009 @ 12:04 PM by speakplain
reply to post by network dude
The atheist agenda is satanic in nature. This will no doubt raise giggles from atheists themselves, who like to think of themselves generally as intellectually superior to believers in God, but is true none the less.
Satan doesn't mind if a person believes in nothing, islam, evolution, buddism or anything else as long as it isn't the saving power of Jesus Christ.
Typically, the atheist will say that religion is man made nonsense designed to keep the population in check. Unfortunately they fail to see the real man made nonsense of big bangs, mutations causing beneficial advances rather than cancer, life from non-life and all the other fairytales for adults postured as evolutionary science. Most will have never studied the Bible.
People are entitled to believe what they like, but when atheists force such soul destructive beliefs on their children, it is nothing short of abuse.
The atheist agenda is satanic in nature. This will no doubt raise giggles from atheists themselves, who like to think of themselves generally as intellectually superior to believers in God, but is true none the less.
Satan doesn't mind if a person believes in nothing, islam, evolution, buddism or anything else as long as it isn't the saving power of Jesus Christ.
Typically, the atheist will say that religion is man made nonsense designed to keep the population in check. Unfortunately they fail to see the real man made nonsense of big bangs, mutations causing beneficial advances rather than cancer, life from non-life and all the other fairytales for adults postured as evolutionary science. Most will have never studied the Bible.
People are entitled to believe what they like, but when atheists force such soul destructive beliefs on their children, it is nothing short of abuse.
reply posted on 22-10-2009 @ 03:24 PM by Amagnon
Originally posted by speakplain
reply to post by network dude
The atheist agenda is satanic in nature. This will no doubt raise giggles from atheists themselves, who like to think of themselves generally as intellectually superior to believers in God, but is true none the less.
Satan doesn't mind if a person believes in nothing, islam, evolution, buddism or anything else as long as it isn't the saving power of Jesus Christ.
Typically, the atheist will say that religion is man made nonsense designed to keep the population in check. Unfortunately they fail to see the real man made nonsense of big bangs, mutations causing beneficial advances rather than cancer, life from non-life and all the other fairytales for adults postured as evolutionary science. Most will have never studied the Bible.
People are entitled to believe what they like, but when atheists force such soul destructive beliefs on their children, it is nothing short of abuse.
I have read the bible front to back around 50 times - at least, maybe closer to 100 times.
I have had extremely powerful religious experiences - where at the time I was sure it was the hand of God.
Since then - I have realized - that all power originates from me -the universe I see - is created by my own perceptions - regardless of my desires, the universe is what it is.
So it is with great enthusiasm that I proffer the God of the religious a challenge - regardless of their religion - I care not.
Strike me dead - if you have power.
I curse you god - your priests and servants I despise - I will rejoice to clean myself in the rivers of their blood. May your high places be broken down - and the corpses of your high priests heaped upon the stones - and a great fire devour stones and corpses and names - until nothing in memory remains.
I rebuke your arrogance to divine right from wrong, because you have no judgment - your vision is weak - and your mind is a chasm of foolishness.
I spit on your face - and despise your weakness and powerlessness. If you had power - then you would do something - but you are a pathetic vomit eating dog.
It is my power to divine the night from day - not yours - it is my power that sustains my flesh - not yours - you are like a worm which crawls upon the earth, your servants - as the dust of worms.
They may come - those pathetic and weak - and they will bind you - because your power is nothing - the broken in mind will mock you - the weak will rule over you - and the worm, whom all despise, will be your king.
I rebuke you - I spit upon you - I challenge you - come - visit upon me your power.
Ah - but you have none - spineless dog - and I will tread on you - as upon the dust - and your name will be struck out of memory of every book, of every mind - from every world - because you are the fools desire - and nothing more.
Some fool told me that in their heart - the atheist believes - but I do not - I rebuke the power of nothing - it rules over the minds of fools alone.
EDIT: I have heard enough of curses of eternal judgment of men - and lakes of fire.
These who believe in fantasies of thought - they resist the nature of men - and would suborn our minds to nothing - our ability to create all that we see - they turn to dust.
Man is of all nature - the closest to symmetry, and the mind of man will pierce the veil of night - and all things will become revealed to them
They despise knowledge who enslave themselves to evil thoughts of darkness - and bind their will to ignorance - to usurp the provenance of man - his entirety - his sublimity - his ability to create light from shadow, and turn all things to his will.
EDIT: Sure - Im drunk - but I care not - I despise a mind, broken with belief - with hope for naught - with conviction for naught - a great mind, of man - broken by ignorance - and not by chance, but choice.
[edit on 22-10-2009 by Amagnon]
reply posted on 22-10-2009 @ 04:23 PM by sirnex
reply to post by network dude
What would the motive be for Christians to push their beliefs on others? Why do I have to 'In God we trust' on my money as a constant reminder of how Christians enjoy pushing their views on everyone else?
Christians aren't exempt from pushing their views or converting others to their belief, so I suppose the point is... Who cares. I'll argue against your faith and you'll argue against some gap of knowledge in science, but in the end, it's you Christians who have been winning when you want something from your faith pushed on others or demand other faiths not brandish around their religious icons in public places while you demand the right to do so for yours.
More to the point, while I can't speak for all atheists I do speak for myself. The reason I talk to *anyone* of religious leanings is to understand the mentality behind believing in such a primitive thing without question. It just seems odd to me that someone who is religious can exclaim personal experience despite which God(s) they worship and yet claim that anyone else personal experience is wrong because only that one particular religion can possibly be the one true religion.
To top that off, we see an evolution of God or at least the concept of God. Some people have moved away from the biblical God choosing the Jesus God instead and now some are moving away from the Jesus God and choosing to redefine God in their own ways and yet... You all claim still that *your* versions are the only true versions of that one true God. The complete utter disrespect for and lack of logic and reason is what drives me to understand... *you*.
What would the motive be for Christians to push their beliefs on others? Why do I have to 'In God we trust' on my money as a constant reminder of how Christians enjoy pushing their views on everyone else?
Christians aren't exempt from pushing their views or converting others to their belief, so I suppose the point is... Who cares. I'll argue against your faith and you'll argue against some gap of knowledge in science, but in the end, it's you Christians who have been winning when you want something from your faith pushed on others or demand other faiths not brandish around their religious icons in public places while you demand the right to do so for yours.
More to the point, while I can't speak for all atheists I do speak for myself. The reason I talk to *anyone* of religious leanings is to understand the mentality behind believing in such a primitive thing without question. It just seems odd to me that someone who is religious can exclaim personal experience despite which God(s) they worship and yet claim that anyone else personal experience is wrong because only that one particular religion can possibly be the one true religion.
To top that off, we see an evolution of God or at least the concept of God. Some people have moved away from the biblical God choosing the Jesus God instead and now some are moving away from the Jesus God and choosing to redefine God in their own ways and yet... You all claim still that *your* versions are the only true versions of that one true God. The complete utter disrespect for and lack of logic and reason is what drives me to understand... *you*.
reply posted on 22-10-2009 @ 05:13 PM by sirnex
reply to post by speakplain
I actually agree and here is why. Let's look at Lucifer's so called 'evils' against God. I can personally only find two actual evil acts committed by Lucifer. The first being a demand for being treated as equal and the second being the giver of knowledge. Of those two things committed by Lucifer, it has only been God who kills, murders and destroys things.
As for this being part of an 'atheist agenda', I see no problem with treating all of humanity as equals to one another and I see no problems with equally educating the whole of humanity either. I understand your God considers these things as evil, but we see no real harm being committed here. Equality and knowledge is not a direct causation of evil acts, but a God saying slavery is OK and stoning children is OK is a harmful act.
Well, technically this is true. Look at even the most intelligent of the God believers, most of their so called 'scientific' arguments are mostly encapsulated in gaps of knowledge. Meaning, that because scientists can't explain 'X' thing, then God must have been the creator of 'X'. As you can hopefully see, an argument like that is just completely devoid of any logic or higher thought process.
Your absolutely correct, Lucifer doesn't demand that one should worship him or anything regardless of it's message being good or bad. He simply has no opinion on the matter and can't even be quoted as having an opinion on it. God is the only one who demands absolute love and worship of him and him alone, or you suffer eternal damnation of your soul. How is Lucifer's view inherently evil?
Look at the history of monotheism since that is your particular cup of tea. Your religious beliefs is relatively recent historically. It also borrows heavily from older belief systems and claim those older concepts are their own.
While I agree to a very small point, it is no more fanciful than believing in invisible bogeymen appearing out of nowhere and creating everything in sight. As we grow, develop and learn more about our universe and life itself we've discovered that a vast majority of ancient primitive beliefs are no longer true. For instance, we understand the water cycle of our planet now, but in the past our primitive ancestors prayed to the God of rain to wet their crops and they validated that God as being real because their prayers had been answered. Yet, I would bet my own life that you don't seriously consider a rain God as being real anymore than I consider your particular God to be more real than any other God.
Neither you nor I can speak for most necessarily, but to counter your argument, I do own three bibles. I do study them and I do read them often as I like to learn more about your particular faith simply because it is the most dominate thanks to the bloody and violent history of your faith.
I understand your God demands not learning and only looking to him for the answers, but I would have to consider that listening to your God and stoning a child for being unruly is inherently more abusive than teaching them to have an open mind about all forms of beliefs. Teaching a child that only 'X' thing is true and that all other views will land you a one way ticket to eternal damnation is in my opinion much more abusive and damaging. Your not teaching your child any true values that will prepare them for real life where society at large is composed of many people with many differing views and opinions on everything.
The atheist agenda is satanic in nature.
I actually agree and here is why. Let's look at Lucifer's so called 'evils' against God. I can personally only find two actual evil acts committed by Lucifer. The first being a demand for being treated as equal and the second being the giver of knowledge. Of those two things committed by Lucifer, it has only been God who kills, murders and destroys things.
As for this being part of an 'atheist agenda', I see no problem with treating all of humanity as equals to one another and I see no problems with equally educating the whole of humanity either. I understand your God considers these things as evil, but we see no real harm being committed here. Equality and knowledge is not a direct causation of evil acts, but a God saying slavery is OK and stoning children is OK is a harmful act.
This will no doubt raise giggles from atheists themselves, who like to think of themselves generally as intellectually superior to believers in God, but is true none the less.
Well, technically this is true. Look at even the most intelligent of the God believers, most of their so called 'scientific' arguments are mostly encapsulated in gaps of knowledge. Meaning, that because scientists can't explain 'X' thing, then God must have been the creator of 'X'. As you can hopefully see, an argument like that is just completely devoid of any logic or higher thought process.
Satan doesn't mind if a person believes in nothing, islam, evolution, buddism or anything else as long as it isn't the saving power of Jesus Christ.
Your absolutely correct, Lucifer doesn't demand that one should worship him or anything regardless of it's message being good or bad. He simply has no opinion on the matter and can't even be quoted as having an opinion on it. God is the only one who demands absolute love and worship of him and him alone, or you suffer eternal damnation of your soul. How is Lucifer's view inherently evil?
Typically, the atheist will say that religion is man made nonsense designed to keep the population in check.
Look at the history of monotheism since that is your particular cup of tea. Your religious beliefs is relatively recent historically. It also borrows heavily from older belief systems and claim those older concepts are their own.
Unfortunately they fail to see the real man made nonsense of big bangs, mutations causing beneficial advances rather than cancer, life from non-life and all the other fairytales for adults postured as evolutionary science.
While I agree to a very small point, it is no more fanciful than believing in invisible bogeymen appearing out of nowhere and creating everything in sight. As we grow, develop and learn more about our universe and life itself we've discovered that a vast majority of ancient primitive beliefs are no longer true. For instance, we understand the water cycle of our planet now, but in the past our primitive ancestors prayed to the God of rain to wet their crops and they validated that God as being real because their prayers had been answered. Yet, I would bet my own life that you don't seriously consider a rain God as being real anymore than I consider your particular God to be more real than any other God.
Most will have never studied the Bible.
Neither you nor I can speak for most necessarily, but to counter your argument, I do own three bibles. I do study them and I do read them often as I like to learn more about your particular faith simply because it is the most dominate thanks to the bloody and violent history of your faith.
People are entitled to believe what they like, but when atheists force such soul destructive beliefs on their children, it is nothing short of abuse.
I understand your God demands not learning and only looking to him for the answers, but I would have to consider that listening to your God and stoning a child for being unruly is inherently more abusive than teaching them to have an open mind about all forms of beliefs. Teaching a child that only 'X' thing is true and that all other views will land you a one way ticket to eternal damnation is in my opinion much more abusive and damaging. Your not teaching your child any true values that will prepare them for real life where society at large is composed of many people with many differing views and opinions on everything.
reply posted on 22-10-2009 @ 07:39 PM by Mattieon
reply to post by speakplain
I hope your a troll, but you seem to believe that. Those beliefs that you show are EXTREMELY frightening and why as an agnostic I try to push people away from suck extreme beliefs.
Those kind of beliefs are what have caused so much blood spill in the name of your 'loving and peaceful god'. Oh by the way most athiests I know have read the bible more than the christians I know.
A question for you in the bible it says things along the lines of there will be false prophets, how do you know your god (which shows evil traits i.e. jealousy, greed etc.) is not lucifer himself? Or that within parts of the bible that you believe is your god actually lucifer impersonating your lord?
Does your God not often contradict the loving nature of Jesus Christ, Jesus saying to love everyone equally and care for all, where as your God seems to enjoy bloodshed and discrimination in his name.
I myself am agnostic and if your God says knowledge is evil, I will NEVER accept it as my lord. Lack of knowledge leads to the manipulation by those with more (i.e. a dictatorship) maybe this is how your God wants it to be, maybe he likes us to be deluded into thinking he is powerful when in fact he is not. If you agree knowledge is evil, get off your computer, knowledge made that. Stop driving a car (or getting on a bus/train/plane), knowledge made them. Don't use medicine or doctors, knowledge produced them etc. etc.
Now as a philosopher, a God who condemns those who seek for proof, or believe other things and punishes those, for their ignorance NOT for a disobedience is completely immoral. Therefore meaning that logically no christian can claim this and still call their god loving and peaceful. It would be like holding a dog morally responsible for chewing a shoe, it knows no better.
EDIT: I would like to add something that science has proven, a little food for thought. Did you know that at the time of the bible (and the happenings in it) psychedelic mushrooms were eaten quite commonly? If I was to eat some and tell you I talked to god would you believe any 'prophecy' I had?
[edit on 22-10-2009 by Mattieon]
[edit on 22-10-2009 by Mattieon]
[edit on 22-10-2009 by Mattieon]
I hope your a troll, but you seem to believe that. Those beliefs that you show are EXTREMELY frightening and why as an agnostic I try to push people away from suck extreme beliefs.
Those kind of beliefs are what have caused so much blood spill in the name of your 'loving and peaceful god'. Oh by the way most athiests I know have read the bible more than the christians I know.
A question for you in the bible it says things along the lines of there will be false prophets, how do you know your god (which shows evil traits i.e. jealousy, greed etc.) is not lucifer himself? Or that within parts of the bible that you believe is your god actually lucifer impersonating your lord?
Does your God not often contradict the loving nature of Jesus Christ, Jesus saying to love everyone equally and care for all, where as your God seems to enjoy bloodshed and discrimination in his name.
I myself am agnostic and if your God says knowledge is evil, I will NEVER accept it as my lord. Lack of knowledge leads to the manipulation by those with more (i.e. a dictatorship) maybe this is how your God wants it to be, maybe he likes us to be deluded into thinking he is powerful when in fact he is not. If you agree knowledge is evil, get off your computer, knowledge made that. Stop driving a car (or getting on a bus/train/plane), knowledge made them. Don't use medicine or doctors, knowledge produced them etc. etc.
Now as a philosopher, a God who condemns those who seek for proof, or believe other things and punishes those, for their ignorance NOT for a disobedience is completely immoral. Therefore meaning that logically no christian can claim this and still call their god loving and peaceful. It would be like holding a dog morally responsible for chewing a shoe, it knows no better.
EDIT: I would like to add something that science has proven, a little food for thought. Did you know that at the time of the bible (and the happenings in it) psychedelic mushrooms were eaten quite commonly? If I was to eat some and tell you I talked to god would you believe any 'prophecy' I had?
[edit on 22-10-2009 by Mattieon]
[edit on 22-10-2009 by Mattieon]
[edit on 22-10-2009 by Mattieon]
reply posted on 3-12-2009 @ 01:56 AM by Agree2Disagree
reply to post by stereovoyaged
Actually friend, the green light was just given for stem cell research. It appears that the religious voice of "hindrance" has subsided and *ding*you are now free to move about the embryo harvesting facilities.
www.time.com...
[edit on 3-12-2009 by Agree2Disagree]
Actually friend, the green light was just given for stem cell research. It appears that the religious voice of "hindrance" has subsided and *ding*you are now free to move about the embryo harvesting facilities.
www.time.com...
Dec. 2 at 12:30 p.m. ET, when the government finally made available the first 13 stem-cell lines that researchers can study with federal funds. Researchers had been awaiting the announcement since March 9, when President Obama signed an Executive Order lifting the ban that former President George W. Bush had placed on government support of human-embryonic-stem-cell research. The previous Administration had restricted federally funded studies to only the dozen or so stem-cell lines that had been created before Aug. 9, 2001. The new policy allows scientists to experiment with any existing stem-cell line, regardless of when it was created, as long it meets specific criteria showing it was derived in an ethically and scientifically responsible manner.
[edit on 3-12-2009 by Agree2Disagree]
reply posted on 3-12-2009 @ 05:21 AM by ANNED
As a deist I understand a lot of what the atheists have to deal with when they are interacting with the bible thumpers.
Many bible thumpers can not tell the difference between a deist(believes in god but not organized religion) and atheist(does not believe in god or religion)
My beliefs are violated by bible thumpers all the time.
Along with being a Deist i also am a nudist and that in no way conflicts with Deism and there are many Deist that are nudist.
But with the bible thumpers the first thing they think is Deism is some kind of paganism religion because some of us are nudist.
Many bible thumpers believe that we must live by there rules.
www.deism.com...
Do deist recruit members.
No we do not have or try to recruit because we do not have a organized religion to recruit to.
Most new Deist are long time Deist that never had heard what Deism is and have held Deist beliefs for many years before we helped them put a name to it.
The only recruiting we do is tell interested people what Deism is and they are able to decide if that is what they are.
Some deists believe in Jesus Christ, while others do not. Most deists give regard to the moral teachings of Jesus.
Many of us who are Christian Deist use the Jefferson Bible.
as Thomas Jefferson was a Deist. so was Benjamin Franklin
en.wikipedia.org...
www.angelfire.com...
You wonder why there is freedom of religion and separation of church and state.
Benjamin Franklin, Ethan Allen, James Madison, John Adams, Thomas Paine.
and George Washington were ether openly deist or anti religious to the point they believed there should be no state religion and no religious connection between the state and the laws of the US.
articles.latimes.com...
Deism, a religious philosophy often associated with early American Freemasons, views God as a scientist who created universal laws but who does not interfere in the daily lives of individuals. Founding Fathers Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, James Madison, Thomas Paine, and Ethan Allen are all thought to have had Deist beliefs. Freemasonry also supported the rational mind and the exchange of ideas, two cornerstones of the Enlightenment.
en.wikipedia.org...
but don't connect deism with freemasonry as many deist do not want to be called Freemasons and many Freemasons do not want to be labeled deist.
www.deism.com...
www.moderndeism.com...
www.usnews.com...
[edit on 3-12-2009 by ANNED]
Many bible thumpers can not tell the difference between a deist(believes in god but not organized religion) and atheist(does not believe in god or religion)
My beliefs are violated by bible thumpers all the time.
Along with being a Deist i also am a nudist and that in no way conflicts with Deism and there are many Deist that are nudist.
But with the bible thumpers the first thing they think is Deism is some kind of paganism religion because some of us are nudist.
Many bible thumpers believe that we must live by there rules.
www.deism.com...
Do deist recruit members.
No we do not have or try to recruit because we do not have a organized religion to recruit to.
Most new Deist are long time Deist that never had heard what Deism is and have held Deist beliefs for many years before we helped them put a name to it.
The only recruiting we do is tell interested people what Deism is and they are able to decide if that is what they are.
Some deists believe in Jesus Christ, while others do not. Most deists give regard to the moral teachings of Jesus.
Many of us who are Christian Deist use the Jefferson Bible.
as Thomas Jefferson was a Deist. so was Benjamin Franklin
en.wikipedia.org...
www.angelfire.com...
You wonder why there is freedom of religion and separation of church and state.
Benjamin Franklin, Ethan Allen, James Madison, John Adams, Thomas Paine.
and George Washington were ether openly deist or anti religious to the point they believed there should be no state religion and no religious connection between the state and the laws of the US.
articles.latimes.com...
Deism, a religious philosophy often associated with early American Freemasons, views God as a scientist who created universal laws but who does not interfere in the daily lives of individuals. Founding Fathers Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, James Madison, Thomas Paine, and Ethan Allen are all thought to have had Deist beliefs. Freemasonry also supported the rational mind and the exchange of ideas, two cornerstones of the Enlightenment.
en.wikipedia.org...
but don't connect deism with freemasonry as many deist do not want to be called Freemasons and many Freemasons do not want to be labeled deist.
www.deism.com...
www.moderndeism.com...
www.usnews.com...
[edit on 3-12-2009 by ANNED]
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