Originally posted by Blanca Rose


Act like a human, and you won't ever see the inside of one!

This is untrue. I have personally been arrested / detained at multiple events for walking down the street with a sign in my hand. When there are 1000 people at a protest and 5 guys come in and start throwing punches at the cops everyone has to pay the price, not just the people who acted unruly. It gives the cops the go ahead to start with the gas and the arresting and anyone who doesn't understand that is fooling themselves. To say everyone who gets arrested at a protest was acting unruly is foolish at best. Therefore to say everyone who ends up in the cage at a protest deserved it, is foolish as well.

The whole thought line of "Don't do anything bad and you won't have to face the punishment" is very irresponsible and wrong and the main reason the world is in the place it is in today. I agree we should follow the follow the law and not be savage animals in most situations, however giving the government / military / police the authority to use weapons, standards, or punishments that are too extreme is wrong. It goes back to that time tested powerful saying...

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.

If we allow the government to have these powers when they're done using them on the "enemies" they will eventually be used on those not originally considered enemies. Just the possibility that they could should be enough to get people to see it's wrong.

Originally posted by Blanca Rose

Originally posted by LandonHell


I agree... I think this is a big deal and a perfect example of the government KNOWING it can do whatever it wants when it comes to controlling it's population.

Blehhhhh, you people, tick me off at times. If you don't do anything wrong at a large event, you don't have to worry about being in one of these cages, which is an updated version of paddy wagon's, as someone mentioned.

If you become unruly at a public event, would you prefer a limousine with a fully stocked bar?

Some people deserve to be in cages at times.

Act like a human, and you won't ever see the inside of one!

Sorta like how they treated the protesters at the G20 in Pittsburgh??

Good grief!

Originally posted by LandonHell



Act like a human, and you won't ever see the inside of one!

This is untrue. I have personally been arrested / detained at multiple events for walking down the street with a sign in my hand. When there are 1000 people at a protest and 5 guys come in and start throwing punches at the cops everyone has to pay the price, not just the people who acted unruly.

So, out of a 1,000 people, and your are in the mix, the police are supposed to know exactly who the trouble makers are? How do they know you are not going to join in the fray with the 5 trouble makers? Perhaps, you should not be walking down the street with a sign in your hand, but be in a stationary position away from the trouble makers. The police are only trying to do their job. If the trouble makers come to your location, move your sign to some place else.

It gives the cops the go ahead to start with the gas and the arresting and anyone who doesn't understand that is fooling themselves. To say everyone who gets arrested at a protest was acting unruly is foolish at best. Therefore to say everyone who ends up in the cage at a protest deserved it, is foolish as well.

Ok, so are you saying the police should just stop and try to figure out who is a good guy in the middle of mayhem, where their lives are on the line? Get real, they are human too, and fear for their lives also. Plus, they are trained to react to explosive situations. If you are in the way, well, that is your fault. Why won't you just let them do their jobs? They have a mission, as well as protesters. It isn't their fault that some jerk messes it up for everybody else.

The whole thought line of "Don't do anything bad and you won't have to face the punishment" is very irresponsible and wrong and the main reason the world is in the place it is in today.

No, I am not talking about a protest rally. I am talking about sport events, concerts, rodeos, car races, etc. If you participate in a protest, well, then, you are up for grabs. Take it from me, I have protested a lot in my years on earth.

I agree we should follow the follow the law and not be savage animals in most situations, however giving the government / military / police the authority to use weapons, standards, or punishments that are too extreme is wrong. It goes back to that time tested powerful saying...

Oh really? Hmmmm, let me think. I was a Viet Nam war protester, and an anti Nixon protester. I was around for the arrest and trial of the Chicago 7. Need I say more? This is nothing new. It is a means of crowd control, where unfortunately, people doing nothing wrong get caught up in.

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Blah, blah, blah......try this out on somebody who hasn't been around the block, dozens of times or so.

If we allow the government to have these powers when they're done using them on the "enemies" they will eventually be used on those not originally considered enemies. Just the possibility that they could should be enough to get people to see it's wrong.

"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss........."!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[edit on 21-10-2009 by Blanca Rose]

[edit on 21-10-2009 by Blanca Rose]

...and I by no means am a Obama or Bush supporter. When you have the potential to harm a innocent civilian it should be avoided at all cost. Otherwise we could just shoot all the "criminals" in the knee caps to keep them in line. There has to be some sense used and in this case, I see the potential for some very bad things that could happen to the people in the cages.

[edit on 21-10-2009 by LandonHell]

I understand what you're saying. I agree that if you are speeding, or if you kill someone, or anything that is against the "sane / reasonable" laws there should be reasonable consequences dependent on the severity of the offense. All I am saying is that there are better ways to handle people than locking them in a cage in public because of the potential danger involved.

I'm not going to avoid protesting the way I think is right because I'm afraid of being arrested or detained. I think even those who are "guilty" should not be placed in a cage at a public event. You have yet to address the fact that the whole point of my initial post was that it is too dangerous of a way to detain people at any public event.

Your point is moot because I didn't say I shouldn't be arrested for protesting, I am saying that innocent people sometimes get lumped in while not breaking the law and weather innocent or guilty, this is not an acceptable form of detainment. You said don't do anything wrong and I don't have to worry about it. So if anyone can be mistakenly detained for whatever circumstance outside of my argument it's moot and because the whole point of my post was that it's dangerous even if you are guilty, it's still moot.

I'm not arguing weather innocent people should be arrested or not, I'm arguing the punishment, that's all.