Hi there!
First of all I would like to give my felicitations for the excellent research you've done here. It's been a great reading.
I have some ideas that might be a little collateral to the subject but, even so, i think it can be interesting for the discussion.
There has been some talking about the reptilian nature of some "mythological" beings around the world. We can say that there presence in the tales is a constant phenomena. We can say that snakes and dragons are analogues beings, probably reminiscent of the same creature or creatures. Theress a French-Canadian anthropologist called Jeremy Narby that wrote a a book called "The Cosmic Serpents and the Origins of Knowledge". In the book he describes his experiences in the Peru. He stayed with a tribe that drunk ayahuaska. Ayahuaska is a natural psychedelic drug. The knowledge the natives had about nature and how to use it as medicine is said to come from the ancient spirits of the forest. When the anthropologist drank it he had vivid dreams or hallucinations about snakes and serpentine forms that talked to him saying they were some kind of masters. Every hallucination is connected with reptilian beings. Narby says that there is a connection between this serpentine forms and dna.

This hypothesis could explain our relation with the reptilian forms.

But maybe it's not just our basic code, maybe it has something to do with our evolution as a species. Symbolically snakes are associated with the world of darkness, and hawks and other birds with light and the sky. Palaeontologists have made the connection between reptiles and birds in terms of evolution. In this sense we have a upward evolution (or even a kind of a full circle.

If we try to connect some of this informations with the myths we have around the world we can make sense out of it. Even if all the creation stories are all man made, they were in a form of cosmic explanatio. They say gods came from heaven, we have now the theory of panspermia... I think we can see some correlations.

I think the mythological "language" has much to offer to science. As someone told there are a lot of gaps in our pre history and we could use some thinking outside the box.

Does it occur to anyone that if we had a major earth event that was a flood that was in fact global and it did in fact wipe out most of humanity,there would inevitably be some technologicaly advantaged survivors WHO WOULD IN A SHORT TIME SPAN OF ONLY ONE GENERATION WITHOUT FORMAL EDUCATION of children ACTUALLY BECOME EXACTLY WHAT THESE "GODS"ARE TO US.

This pretty much explains everything we are talking about,we are really the result of a desperate effort to preserve humanity from being made extinct by a naturally occuring earth event.The preservation of technology and math and religon which if you EXCLUDE the issue of DIVINITY is really the key to organised society which supports technology.

The only way for humanity to continue surviving on this planet is for us to use technology to CREATE a livable environment,who here thinks that this planet was terraformed with the intent to put life here.

I think other planets have been terraformed,and I think the moon was put where it is to enable our weather patterns to exist which enables life to exist.

We are learning quickly,not slowly,but we are really always racing the earth and we have to always be paying attention to what it tells us it is about to do.

Originally posted by guidanceofthe third kind
it was probably a realization that not knowing what stock we come from has more of an ability to give solidarity to our species rather than wanting to be elsewhere. the communists realized this better than anyone else and so they destroyed much of the history that the OP mentioned

When did the communists destroyed it? You have been brainwashed by american! It was christianity that destroyed many pagan myths and religions!!!
If the Chinese myths was destroyed by communists, so where the OP get the resources from?

Save some money, go and fly to China and compare if it looks like what american told you it is!

By the way there was no wars in ancient time, it is just thunderclap, lightning, typhoon, rain, flood, volcano eruptions and all other natural earth stuff that looks and sounds like two giants / gods having battles in the sky to primitive ape. That's how the myths came from.
Primitive man always wanders where they came from, they always try to look as far as they can, in this case is the SKY. They always think they are son of Sun and Moon, because that's what they see in the sky. Some looks further to stars and think they came from stars. Some get lucky to see Venus or Mars once in clear sky, they thought they came from there. Some even daydreaming they fly to where they believe they came from which they called heaven.
It is just basic human or primitive ape behaviour, it is psychological.
Think about it!


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Pllease no China vs America stuff,I have a question though,how come every time I see a mixed race couple and one of the parents is white,the children always get lighter in color no matter who the other partner is?

It seems like no matter who they have children with white people make the children whiter,so really the world is on its way to being one big vanilla milkshake.

Is this because they are related to sky gods?

Originally posted by one4all

It seems like no matter who they have children with white people make the children whiter,so really the world is on its way to being one big vanilla milkshake.

Is this because they are related to sky gods?

Try to think the other way round, the African who have children with European make the children darker than their European parent.
Is it related to sky gods?

Oh , the world is full of twisted minds.

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Mythology reports of a great flood that swept earth leaving only Fu Xi and his wife Nuwa to survive. They had fled to the Kunlun Mountains (Tibet) and there ask for a sign from the “Sky Lords”. The “Sky Lords” approved of them procreating to found a new civilization. In order to speed up the procreation or creation of humans they found a way to use "clay" to create human figures and by some miraculous process could make these clay figures come alive. Fu Xi ruled over his descendants for 115 years and lived for 197 years. (1)

Nuwa is credited with having repaired or mended “The Wall of the Heavens” in order to stop the floods. Two Gods, Gong Gong and Xiang Yao are said to have caused the flood. It is said that Gong Gong was ashamed that he lost a fight for the throne of Heaven and in rage he caused “the sky to tilt towards the northwest and the earth to shift to the southeast thereby creating the tilt of the earth". This sounds as if dislodging the earth from its regular axis caused the great floods.

Hey Sky,

What are you're thoughts on the importance of this great flood, or deluge, that so many ancient texts talk about. It seems to me that the God(s) were the cause of this flood in all accounts of it and it usually resulted from some form of feud between each other. I am not too sure from the Chinese perspective, but you are probably aware of the Sumerian/Hebrew version of it, where one God tried to save humanity, while the other to destroy it.

I am not too sure on the specifics but it seems to me that this flood serves as a checkpoint for the relationship that supposedly existed between Gods and men, the point where it ceases to exist. Am i wrong?

Would love to hear your thoughts on this, cheers.

Originally posted by Izarith
Have you ever thought of the implications the information you have presented might have on what you are and your origins?

Sure...thats the reason I am researching it and writing about it

I dont want to embarass myself, but yeah I believe your theory. God is of reptilian decent. Dark grey, looks like a frogman, scaley features. Only if you knew how bad this burns me up. I read all these message boards, and I seen stuff with my own eyes, but no one will ever believe me, I wouldnt believe someone making that claim. But yet I have to read all of you wondering and asking. Yet I know, its hard lol.

God is not of reptilian descent ,we dont know what or who God is,we dont have the faintest clue how we were created or what force that created us, or helped us become aware of ourselves enough to know that we were able to manipulate our physical environment independantly of nature. Ants build anthills,but they dont move them BEFORE mother nature sends bad tidings,they just build and stay,we have the ability to conceptualise time and the future and the past,we understand what the present means.A squirrel saves nuts for the winter,but it doesnt build a box with a lock on it because the crows might come and eat its stash.

Animals cannot conceptualise time,they exist within it but arent aware of its existance.They rely on instinct in order to co-exist with nature.

We have had something ADDED to our instincts or we have EVOLVED far enough that we have replaced those instincts with a conception of time.A conception of time is a great evolutionary advantage on this planet.It means that we can avoid the usual extinction process that is part of evolution,we stepped out of the NATURAL SWING OF THINGS AND BEGAN TO TAKE CONTROL OF NATURE,TO LEARN ABOUT IT AND LEARN TO CONTROL OR INFLUENCE it to increase our chances of survival.

This is why I believe that we are "related"to the intelligent force that terraformed this planet,we are insisting that habitable planets occur naturally and we just need to go find one like a squirrel finds a nut!

It is overwhelmingly obvious that our environment here on earth is contrived or planned,we know because we can manipulate it ourselves,and this means we CAN CREATE IT AND INFLUENCE IT ANY TIME OR WAY WE WANT AS LONG AS WE UNDERSTAND HOW IT WAS CREATED.

We need to reverse engineer our onvironment from our atmosphere to our weather patterns and we need to start from the perspective that earth was a barren planet to start with, then we take our needs as humans and extrapolate exactly how and by what means those needs could be accomodated,what we would have to "create"ourselves to make a planet habitable to humans.

Then we will understand where we stand or at least that we DO CONTROL OUR OWN DESTINY EVEN IN THE FACE OF BATTLING MOTHER NATURE.

Then we can STOP THIS WHINY SEARCH FOR A SAVIOUR,we are our own saviours.

For the love of ice cream,havent you ever been in a serious ,emergency situation with a group of people,and at some point everyone seemed to be screwed,UNTIL LIKE MAGIC SOMEONE CAME UP WITH AN IDEA THAT THE ENTIRE GROUP COULDNT SEEM TO CONCEPTUALISE ,AN IDEA THAT WAS DIFFERENT FROM EVERYONE ELSES,AN IDEA THAT TRULY SAVED EVERYONE??It doesnt have to be life or death,it is the principal that in what could be considered "usual"circumstances THE LARGE MAJORITY OF HUMANITY IS IN THE DARK TO SOME DEGREE AND THAT VAST MAJORITY HAS ALWAYS IN THE HISTORY OF HUMANITY FOLLOWED THE LEAD OF A VERY FEW PEOPLE WHO HAVE A MUCH MORE ADVANCED ABILITY TO CONCEPTUALISE THE FUTURE AS DEFINED BY THE MOMENT,THEY ARE BETTER GUESSERS SIMPLY PUT AND IF YOU DONT LISTEN TO THEM YOU USUALL GET HURT OR DIE,AND THEY DONT SEEM TO SUFFER THESE CONSEQUENCES.

Its called survival of the fittest and it isnt always physically delineated,sometimes it is intellectually delineated,this is where we will lose a huge percentage of humanity as we know it today.

I watched a video one day that showed a large group of tourists standing beside a body of water taking pictures of an ice berg,without warning a large part of the iceberg broke free and fell into the water sending a mini-tsunami up onto the shore washing the people standing there into the cold water killing some of them.This was an unfortunate accident caught on video.

The amazing thing about the video is that it shows one person WHO ABSOLUTELY FREAKS OUT AND BEGINS RUNNING AWAY FROM THE EDGE OF THE WATER ,PASSING ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE ON HIS WAY TO SAFETY,HE GRABBED A COUPLE OF RANDOM PEOPLE ON HIS WAY BY BY BUT HE DID NOT STOP AND SACRIFICE HIMSELF.

What is amazing and what proves my theory is that THE ICEBERG HADNT CALVED YET,NOT AT ALL,THIS GUY WAS SETTING A LAND SPEED RECORD GETTING TO SAFETY BEFORE THE EVENT HAPPENED.

I dont care what excuses you all come up with for not listening to people who are obviously more able to sense danger coming than you are AS A MEMBER OF THE SLIGHTLY STUPID MAJORITY,because I am sure that he didnt really care either,HE WAS ALIVE AND ABLE TO SPEAK.He cared enough to grab a few arms along his way to safety so he cared ,but he wasnt willing to die to be a member of the popular majority.

Spare me the rationalizations because this is how I have lived my life and I have listened to people for many years whine about how unfair the world is and preach a life philosophy that includes acceptance of ideaologies that are contrary to humanities forward progress.

Criminals and physical handicaps that prevent a human from giving some type of positive input to humanity to justify their existance jumps to mind,believing that simply being born gives you the individual right to survive at the cost of everyone else and make withdrawels from the bank of humanity with no ability to repay those efforts and resources is ridiculous.

A murder,a taker of human life has no opportunity for redemption because the life they took had to much potential for them to be able to make it up to humanity,we arent talking making it up to an imaginary divine entity through prayer either,we are talking straight up accountability to humanity.The rapist causes so much trauma to the victem that the contribution level to humanity is severely affected,possibly an individual could return this shortfall to humanity in their lifetime BUT I WILL GAURANTEE YOU THAT A SECOND RAPE SHOULD BE THE DEATH OF THE RAPIST BECAUSE THERE IS NO OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT PERSON TO REPLACE THE CONTRIBUTIONS TO HUMANITY THEY ELIMINATE THROUGH THEIR ACTS.

It really sounds like a tough world for criminals WITHOUT GOD TO SAVE THEIR CRIMINAL ARSES DOESNTIT??

Dont you see why things are so bad here on earth?There is no accountability to humanity in our world,religon PREVENTS IT FROM HAPPENING.