Of Emperors and Sky Gods

reply to post by Skyfloating

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At last something we seem to agree with.

Anyway, to add some more information, and mostly from the Vedic scriptures here is a link to an old article of mine where I present sources from the Vedas that tell stories about mankind fighting for the celestials, and against other celestials, and other humans who serve the different celestials.

I will have to check it, but as I remember correctly one of the stories of the Vedas say that the Gods live in a planet that comes from time to time close to the Solar System, and that they make contact when their planet is getting closer to Earth.

The old stories also state that these Gods could live for thousands of years , and that at one time mankind could live hundreds of years, but as time went by our lifespans became smaller, and smaller.

The bible also tells a similar story, with many of it's characters living for over 100 years, and some more than 200 years.

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I also remember reading some ancient celtic stories about one man in particular, all i remember about his name is that it was followed by a title of something like "of a thousand battles". The tales of him would go that he would spend from sunset and into the evening watching the skies in case any demons would land from the skies, and every sunset, and part of the evening he always spent it watching the skies just in case more demons landed from the sky. His tales also mention him fighting some of those demons that would land.

There are similar stories in many cultures.

Also, anyone who knows the bible by heart might remember that i believe it was during a visit to Soddom, and Gomorrah, there was one, or two angels that were attacked and injured by evil men. How can men injure angels, unless the angels were made of flesh and bone?

Anyway, every culture on the planet has similar ancient texts with stories about the fights in the heavens between angels, and fallen angels, as well as men who served the different angels.

Sometimes they are/were called angels/demons, at other times Gods and Godesses, but the same type of story seems to be universal.

This is not the only time that mankind has been around. According to the Hindus mankind has been on Earth, as we are right now, for at least a million years, and throughout that time we have had many conflicts, and entire civilizations were wiped out, and we had to start over.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

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Thats a helpful post as I am still struggling to discern flesh-and-bones extraterrestrials and celestial/non-physical beings and the crossovers between both. Im pretty certain that all the texts talk about both types of beings. Especially the Vedas know to make the distinction. In other texts, especially the old testament, it is not that clear.

Hi there!
First of all I would like to give my felicitations for the excellent research you've done here. It's been a great reading.
I have some ideas that might be a little collateral to the subject but, even so, i think it can be interesting for the discussion.
There has been some talking about the reptilian nature of some "mythological" beings around the world. We can say that there presence in the tales is a constant phenomena. We can say that snakes and dragons are analogues beings, probably reminiscent of the same creature or creatures. Theress a French-Canadian anthropologist called Jeremy Narby that wrote a a book called "The Cosmic Serpents and the Origins of Knowledge". In the book he describes his experiences in the Peru. He stayed with a tribe that drunk ayahuaska. Ayahuaska is a natural psychedelic drug. The knowledge the natives had about nature and how to use it as medicine is said to come from the ancient spirits of the forest. When the anthropologist drank it he had vivid dreams or hallucinations about snakes and serpentine forms that talked to him saying they were some kind of masters. Every hallucination is connected with reptilian beings. Narby says that there is a connection between this serpentine forms and dna.

This hypothesis could explain our relation with the reptilian forms.

But maybe it's not just our basic code, maybe it has something to do with our evolution as a species. Symbolically snakes are associated with the world of darkness, and hawks and other birds with light and the sky. Palaeontologists have made the connection between reptiles and birds in terms of evolution. In this sense we have a upward evolution (or even a kind of a full circle.

If we try to connect some of this informations with the myths we have around the world we can make sense out of it. Even if all the creation stories are all man made, they were in a form of cosmic explanatio. They say gods came from heaven, we have now the theory of panspermia... I think we can see some correlations.

I think the mythological "language" has much to offer to science. As someone told there are a lot of gaps in our pre history and we could use some thinking outside the box.

Does it occur to anyone that if we had a major earth event that was a flood that was in fact global and it did in fact wipe out most of humanity,there would inevitably be some technologicaly advantaged survivors WHO WOULD IN A SHORT TIME SPAN OF ONLY ONE GENERATION WITHOUT FORMAL EDUCATION of children ACTUALLY BECOME EXACTLY WHAT THESE "GODS"ARE TO US.

This pretty much explains everything we are talking about,we are really the result of a desperate effort to preserve humanity from being made extinct by a naturally occuring earth event.The preservation of technology and math and religon which if you EXCLUDE the issue of DIVINITY is really the key to organised society which supports technology.

The only way for humanity to continue surviving on this planet is for us to use technology to CREATE a livable environment,who here thinks that this planet was terraformed with the intent to put life here.

I think other planets have been terraformed,and I think the moon was put where it is to enable our weather patterns to exist which enables life to exist.

We are learning quickly,not slowly,but we are really always racing the earth and we have to always be paying attention to what it tells us it is about to do.

When did the communists destroyed it? You have been brainwashed by american! It was christianity that destroyed many pagan myths and religions!!!
If the Chinese myths was destroyed by communists, so where the OP get the resources from?

Save some money, go and fly to China and compare if it looks like what american told you it is!

By the way there was no wars in ancient time, it is just thunderclap, lightning, typhoon, rain, flood, volcano eruptions and all other natural earth stuff that looks and sounds like two giants / gods having battles in the sky to primitive ape. That's how the myths came from.
Primitive man always wanders where they came from, they always try to look as far as they can, in this case is the SKY. They always think they are son of Sun and Moon, because that's what they see in the sky. Some looks further to stars and think they came from stars. Some get lucky to see Venus or Mars once in clear sky, they thought they came from there. Some even daydreaming they fly to where they believe they came from which they called heaven.
It is just basic human or primitive ape behaviour, it is psychological.
Think about it!


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Pllease no China vs America stuff,I have a question though,how come every time I see a mixed race couple and one of the parents is white,the children always get lighter in color no matter who the other partner is?

It seems like no matter who they have children with white people make the children whiter,so really the world is on its way to being one big vanilla milkshake.

Is this because they are related to sky gods?

Try to think the other way round, the African who have children with European make the children darker than their European parent.
Is it related to sky gods?

Oh , the world is full of twisted minds.

reply to post by Skyfloating

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What you consider to be humans on earth were never direct descendants of what they believe to be the sky Gods, they were partly created in the image of another extraterrestrial star race not from the pleadies. Human bodies of earth are biological storage containers used to place certain souls on earth and keep them here with all past memory wiped clean.

reply to post by IM_NOT_FROM_EARTH

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Thats a nice "Im in the know about things" viewpoint. But actually explaining why you think so would be better imo...

reply to post by one4all

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Research indicates that all races have stories from originating with Sky Gods. The white. The yellow. The black.

Hey Sky,

What are you're thoughts on the importance of this great flood, or deluge, that so many ancient texts talk about. It seems to me that the God(s) were the cause of this flood in all accounts of it and it usually resulted from some form of feud between each other. I am not too sure from the Chinese perspective, but you are probably aware of the Sumerian/Hebrew version of it, where one God tried to save humanity, while the other to destroy it.

I am not too sure on the specifics but it seems to me that this flood serves as a checkpoint for the relationship that supposedly existed between Gods and men, the point where it ceases to exist. Am i wrong?

Would love to hear your thoughts on this, cheers.

Fu Xi and Nuwa in these artworks are holding a compass and a square, with the Sun above them and the Moon below them.

Actually there are quite a lot of half-human/half-animal deities in Chinese Mythology, mainly with human-head-animal-body or animal-head-human body. Such as the torch-dragon Sky mentioned and Gonggong, and many other important gods such as Yandi and Chiyou. They are so prevalent in Chinese Mythology that it even leads some to speculate if these gods are in fact extraterrestrials, there are probably many species that look like animal-homo-sapien hybrids to us in the universe.

reply to post by serbsta

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A major event happened about 10 000 B.C. which is connected to gigantic floods and disasters. After that the "Gods" who had caused the flood, left earth and took their stuff with them.

The pre-flood civilization which was fairly advanced, luxurious and also had access to some of the technology of the Gods, de-evolved from that point forward. This is easy to see in Egypt where the Sphinx and Pyramids are the oldest structures and the more we move forward in time, the less impressive things get.

A small faction of the elite kept tiny bits and pieces of the "Gods" knowledge, power and maybe even technology. These tiny pieces manifested as the Egyptian, Greek and Roman Empire. Somehow, even those small pieces got lost or stolen or forgotten or misunderstood and the Empires fell, and humanity plunged into even greater darkness (middle ages).

Another strand of elites had also kept some pieces secret in order to harbour power but also to protect humanity from the horrors it had experienced long ago. With their power these "mystery schools" founded the British Empire which eventually transformed into the American Empire.

The idea of a more benevolent species is non-interference...to have humanity progress on their own.

Thats what I think about the flood....

reply to post by Skyfloating

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Hello Skyfloating,

Excellent thread man!

I have a question for you tho.

Have you ever thought of the implications the information you have presented might have on what you are and your origins?

I ask this because I had a dream once about two wizards one was not happy to see me and the other was very delighted I was there. The one who did not like me left by turning into a green "serpent" and the one who was happy I was there tuned into a "black crow". By this crow guy I was shown the Earth from space. A satellite passed in front of my view and beamed two lights down on the southern part of Mexico.

I just find your information very interesting because I knew nothing about it until today.

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Sure...thats the reason I am researching it and writing about it

reply to post by serbsta

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But lets compare notes...what is your summary of the flood issue?

I dont want to embarass myself, but yeah I believe your theory. God is of reptilian decent. Dark grey, looks like a frogman, scaley features. Only if you knew how bad this burns me up. I read all these message boards, and I seen stuff with my own eyes, but no one will ever believe me, I wouldnt believe someone making that claim. But yet I have to read all of you wondering and asking. Yet I know, its hard lol.

God is not of reptilian descent ,we dont know what or who God is,we dont have the faintest clue how we were created or what force that created us, or helped us become aware of ourselves enough to know that we were able to manipulate our physical environment independantly of nature. Ants build anthills,but they dont move them BEFORE mother nature sends bad tidings,they just build and stay,we have the ability to conceptualise time and the future and the past,we understand what the present means.A squirrel saves nuts for the winter,but it doesnt build a box with a lock on it because the crows might come and eat its stash.

Animals cannot conceptualise time,they exist within it but arent aware of its existance.They rely on instinct in order to co-exist with nature.

We have had something ADDED to our instincts or we have EVOLVED far enough that we have replaced those instincts with a conception of time.A conception of time is a great evolutionary advantage on this planet.It means that we can avoid the usual extinction process that is part of evolution,we stepped out of the NATURAL SWING OF THINGS AND BEGAN TO TAKE CONTROL OF NATURE,TO LEARN ABOUT IT AND LEARN TO CONTROL OR INFLUENCE it to increase our chances of survival.

This is why I believe that we are "related"to the intelligent force that terraformed this planet,we are insisting that habitable planets occur naturally and we just need to go find one like a squirrel finds a nut!

It is overwhelmingly obvious that our environment here on earth is contrived or planned,we know because we can manipulate it ourselves,and this means we CAN CREATE IT AND INFLUENCE IT ANY TIME OR WAY WE WANT AS LONG AS WE UNDERSTAND HOW IT WAS CREATED.

We need to reverse engineer our onvironment from our atmosphere to our weather patterns and we need to start from the perspective that earth was a barren planet to start with, then we take our needs as humans and extrapolate exactly how and by what means those needs could be accomodated,what we would have to "create"ourselves to make a planet habitable to humans.

Then we will understand where we stand or at least that we DO CONTROL OUR OWN DESTINY EVEN IN THE FACE OF BATTLING MOTHER NATURE.

Then we can STOP THIS WHINY SEARCH FOR A SAVIOUR,we are our own saviours.

For the love of ice cream,havent you ever been in a serious ,emergency situation with a group of people,and at some point everyone seemed to be screwed,UNTIL LIKE MAGIC SOMEONE CAME UP WITH AN IDEA THAT THE ENTIRE GROUP COULDNT SEEM TO CONCEPTUALISE ,AN IDEA THAT WAS DIFFERENT FROM EVERYONE ELSES,AN IDEA THAT TRULY SAVED EVERYONE??It doesnt have to be life or death,it is the principal that in what could be considered "usual"circumstances THE LARGE MAJORITY OF HUMANITY IS IN THE DARK TO SOME DEGREE AND THAT VAST MAJORITY HAS ALWAYS IN THE HISTORY OF HUMANITY FOLLOWED THE LEAD OF A VERY FEW PEOPLE WHO HAVE A MUCH MORE ADVANCED ABILITY TO CONCEPTUALISE THE FUTURE AS DEFINED BY THE MOMENT,THEY ARE BETTER GUESSERS SIMPLY PUT AND IF YOU DONT LISTEN TO THEM YOU USUALL GET HURT OR DIE,AND THEY DONT SEEM TO SUFFER THESE CONSEQUENCES.

Its called survival of the fittest and it isnt always physically delineated,sometimes it is intellectually delineated,this is where we will lose a huge percentage of humanity as we know it today.

I watched a video one day that showed a large group of tourists standing beside a body of water taking pictures of an ice berg,without warning a large part of the iceberg broke free and fell into the water sending a mini-tsunami up onto the shore washing the people standing there into the cold water killing some of them.This was an unfortunate accident caught on video.

The amazing thing about the video is that it shows one person WHO ABSOLUTELY FREAKS OUT AND BEGINS RUNNING AWAY FROM THE EDGE OF THE WATER ,PASSING ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE ON HIS WAY TO SAFETY,HE GRABBED A COUPLE OF RANDOM PEOPLE ON HIS WAY BY BY BUT HE DID NOT STOP AND SACRIFICE HIMSELF.

What is amazing and what proves my theory is that THE ICEBERG HADNT CALVED YET,NOT AT ALL,THIS GUY WAS SETTING A LAND SPEED RECORD GETTING TO SAFETY BEFORE THE EVENT HAPPENED.

I dont care what excuses you all come up with for not listening to people who are obviously more able to sense danger coming than you are AS A MEMBER OF THE SLIGHTLY STUPID MAJORITY,because I am sure that he didnt really care either,HE WAS ALIVE AND ABLE TO SPEAK.He cared enough to grab a few arms along his way to safety so he cared ,but he wasnt willing to die to be a member of the popular majority.

Spare me the rationalizations because this is how I have lived my life and I have listened to people for many years whine about how unfair the world is and preach a life philosophy that includes acceptance of ideaologies that are contrary to humanities forward progress.

Criminals and physical handicaps that prevent a human from giving some type of positive input to humanity to justify their existance jumps to mind,believing that simply being born gives you the individual right to survive at the cost of everyone else and make withdrawels from the bank of humanity with no ability to repay those efforts and resources is ridiculous.

A murder,a taker of human life has no opportunity for redemption because the life they took had to much potential for them to be able to make it up to humanity,we arent talking making it up to an imaginary divine entity through prayer either,we are talking straight up accountability to humanity.The rapist causes so much trauma to the victem that the contribution level to humanity is severely affected,possibly an individual could return this shortfall to humanity in their lifetime BUT I WILL GAURANTEE YOU THAT A SECOND RAPE SHOULD BE THE DEATH OF THE RAPIST BECAUSE THERE IS NO OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT PERSON TO REPLACE THE CONTRIBUTIONS TO HUMANITY THEY ELIMINATE THROUGH THEIR ACTS.

It really sounds like a tough world for criminals WITHOUT GOD TO SAVE THEIR CRIMINAL ARSES DOESNTIT??

Dont you see why things are so bad here on earth?There is no accountability to humanity in our world,religon PREVENTS IT FROM HAPPENING.

I think ancient Chinese were very creative and imaginative as a culture that some of the mythology may have been just "man-made" rather than "extraterrestrial".

Still, i do believe in "ancient astronaut theory" for there are ample tentative evidences around the world to lend credits to it but also that ive witnessed flying saucers myself so its not such a stretch for me to endorse assertions like that to a degree.
I mean if there were ancient aliens visiting earth its likely they would also left some traces in rich regions like China.

Like you said "Chinese language and culture was already developed by 2000 BC". There must be something happening before.

Take writing for instance, conventional wisdom keep saying Chinese written history only goes back to 1500 B.C. which is an assertion based on the discovery of Shang dynasty oracle bone inscriptions. Thats all correct from achaeological point. But anyone who studies oracle bone inscriptions would know its an already developed form of writing which requires time to develop, there must be some form of precursor to it.

In neolithic Jiahu culture
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they discovered few characters on tortoise shells possibly used by ancient shaman for divination(just like later Shang oracle bone was intended) at least goes back to 5800 B.C. though experts doubt such finds verifies a writing system but it does indicate an early origin for Chinese characters than previously thought. One interesting thing is the Jiahu characters have striking similarity to its Shang oracle bone correspondents, that Chinese archaeologists commented "if untold of its place of origin one would for certain mistake them for Shang dynasty ones". apart from other neolithic pottery markings which some believe are precursor to Chinese writing.

another reason is the fact 90%+ of Shang oracle bone inscriptions actually belong to just one Shang monarch named Wu ding while does tell that he was a "busy man", but this also means anyone who assume the date for the begining of Chinese writing to this time period and largely(90%) to this specific ruler is in reality an assumption with very limited spectrum. Afterall they couldnt find any evidence to say Wu ding invented writing either nor do the Chinese legends attribute that feat to him. Not to mention the fact that the Shang oracle bone inscription is an already developed form of writing, so there must be some thing happening before 1500 B.C.

Take into account of the "ancient alien" perspective, i think since Chinese writing is extremely archaic form of writing which some say is in some respect similar to ancient Sumerian, and if the ancient Sumer had some secrets regarding the aliens, then its possible there could be something parallel with ancient China before 2000 B.C which some deem as mere legendary.
For instance why Chinese legends say the Goddess creator Nu Wa used clay to create human and shes depicted as having snake body, thats all fine for creative minds of the ancient people, but why there are similarities between western and eastern cultures? this could be due to cultural transfer but could be something else because as far im concerned conventional wisdom seem unable to explain everything regarding ancient hisotry. So im open to other possibilities but not at the moment actually succumbed to everything proposed.

Anyway, interesting thread. Thank you for your efforts and time.

I'd like to contribute some images on the theme of Nu Wa and Fu Xi (supposed creators of people) for references




















The above depictions of Nu Wa and Fu Xi come from Han dynasty, the black ones are ink copies of tomb murals, usually carved like this

the colorful one is painting on silk from Mawangdui tomb which depicts Nuwa with her snake body. depictions of Nuwa and Fuxi would accompany the deceased tell the cultural and spiritual world of ancient Chinese at the time.

the following are later continuation of earlier culture regarding Nuwa and Fuxi worship.







some of the above later depictions were discovered in Xinjiang(Uyghur Autonomous Region), brought by Chinese migrants. as matter of fact the image cited

has Central Asian rather than Chinese facial features, though the culture of worshiping Nuwa and Fuxi comes from China proper.
So an indication that cultural transfer can definitely happen.

just to add this tomb mural from Han dynasty, you can see from the top right to left it first depicts the creators Nuwa and Fuxi with their snake bodies entwined and a little figure of human as their child, then followed by legendary "3 sovereigns and 5 emperors" all the way to first King of Xia dynasty Yu the great.


Shanhaijing(Collection of the Mountains and Seas) says Yu the great was born from the dead body of his father Gun as a dragon, Gun was executed by Tian Di(sky emperor) for stealing material designed to stop the great flood, but the body of Gun did not decay for 3 years, then Tian Di send Tian shen(sky deity) to slice Gun's body to found Yu the Great.



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and here is an interesting relic from Qijia culture (2400 BC- 1900 BC)
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a snake-goddess which immediately remind me of the Goa'uld from the Science fiction series Stargate-SG1



ancient people can be just as creative and imaginative as modern science fiction designer.

another interesting relic caught my eyes is this piece which also comes from Qijia culture.



It does bear certain resemblance to some ancient Sumerian relics



perhaps just coincidence in design.



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