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reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 04:45 PM by Skyfloating

Originally posted by sigil23

I recently came across some information about the culture of the "Ancient
Kuzhebar"; which came to mind as I was reading about the OP's post.Here is a link to what I have found so far: nadishana.com...

It would be exciting if it were a culture nobody has ever heard of yet, but...are you sure this is not just a made-up idea by the music-composer featured on the website?

reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 05:07 PM by Skyfloating

Originally posted by TheIrvy
Of course the ET's may not be from a planet other than Earth. To my mind, it's just as likely that they are from an older age of Earth's history, maybe even before it was called Earth. It could be that they had their own awakening, their own ascension, and outgrew this planet and went on to explore the universe.

They could very well be earthlings. Or time-travellers. Or interdimensionals. Or from another Universe. Or ETs. Or astral-entities. Or shamanic visions. Or Deities.

What do we know, right?

But whatever they are, it sure is interesting to compare and find all these similarities hinting at a deeper reality...

reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 05:12 PM by Unresponsible

Another wonderful thread.
I've recently come to the conclusion that studying this aspect of history is vitally important to the continuation of this species, moreso than virtually any other discipline. I say this because I strongly suspect that science, while still thundering along nicely, is still a puzzle missing eighty percent of the pieces.

But your post highlights the most troubling part of mythology-as-history study and that is context and interpretation.

Current futurists and science fiction writers might imagine space ships and extra terrestrial colonies; could a singular deity be in fact, an entire race?
Or, if the ancient astronaut/deity theory is correct, does it describe things that we STILL have no technological context to appreciate?
Could one alien have the resources and ability to shift a planet from its axis?
If this was done in a military style attack, what was the goal exactly?

Very interesting stuff to consider and as I said, most likely very important for humanity to get a final definitive answer as to what exactly happened in our pre-history.

reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 05:23 PM by doctorvannostren

Great thread. Asian history and culture is nothing short of fascinating. Maybe I missed it in your thread, but Ive always been curious about Japan as well. Its interesting that they call themselves "enlightened" and "illuminati". I know it has something to do with Buddhism. When TSHTF I will most likely be somewhere in Japan. Bushido is what I try to live my life by, but lets be honost, this is America.

reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 05:24 PM by Skyfloating

Originally posted by Unresponsible
I've recently come to the conclusion that studying this aspect of history is vitally important to the continuation of this species

It is. Either we learn who we are or we perish.

reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 05:25 PM by Skyfloating

reply to post by doctorvannostren

Actually I avoided Japan in this article not because its insignificant but because there is way too much material to be processed on this subject in Japan alone.

reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 05:37 PM by Rockpuck

reply to post by Skyfloating

All very interesting, but imo, amounts to nothing.

The last Western King to declare himself a Sun God was King Louis XIV of France. We know of course we was just an egotistical Human. Extradordinary for sure, but nothing more.

Myths from around the World are exceptionally different.. unless we assume thousands of alien races decended to earth at approx the same time to give a vast array of "origins" theories, its much safer to assume cultural stories morphed with time and distance. It would be far more impressive if the stories were the same, did not directly reflect individual cultures. Many of these ancients's bones still remain in our posession, and nothing extraordinary has ever been found, no weird space crafts or communication tools.

Religions, mythologies and oral tradition are a product of cultural identity.. in an era where the only entertainment was the local story teller, the stories are our first literary stories... but just that. Stories. The sky is so often a part of these stories, imo, because the ancients were very close to the skies.. we are not, our lights pollute the earth, we do not, cannot see what they saw. Not to mention when stories were told, at night, quite often under the sky, the sky is a wonderful prop.

Awesome research, I read and enjoyed every bit of it.. but I could never accept your basic thesis that the first rulers of all civilizations were aliens.

reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 05:43 PM by Skyfloating

Originally posted by Rockpuck
All very interesting, but imo, amounts to nothing.

Hello Rockpuck.

I could never accept your basic thesis that the first rulers of all civilizations were aliens.

Oh well...cant say I didnt try.

Im sure that in secret you are at least contemplating the idea...

reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 05:47 PM by doctorvannostren

reply to post by Skyfloating

Thats what I figured. Your article is still fascinating none the less. Ill keep my eyes open for your take on Japan.

reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 06:03 PM by Rockpuck

reply to post by Skyfloating

No, not at all actually. Our stories were the representation of our selves.. who we were made who we are. In an era where we are nothing but soulless, godless, bodies walking in confusion, lost and unsure why I find that there are those that still study them incredibile. Few things are more important than respecting the past.

But not for a second do I see them in a litteral sense. They are what they are, stories representing peoples now lost.. cultures decimated, raped by progress. What good do we get trying to gleam a trace of fact from these tales? I simply cannot see the benefit.

I will prefer to believe we Humans cultivated ourselves, we made ourselves into what we are and were. The notion that we need divine help relates to the basic need of religion, to explain the unexplainable. When confronted "who are we, where do we come from" stories of supernatural beings are the product.. not because its true, but because man has spent eons looking for something bigger, better, more important than ourselves.. its more comforting to be dominated by fearful forces than to be left alone on this cold rock of ours.

reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 06:15 PM by Skyfloating

Originally posted by Rockpuck
we are nothing but soulless, godless, bodies walking in confusion, lost and unsure

cultures decimated, raped by progress

to be dominated by fearful forces than to be left alone on this cold rock of ours.

Quite the dark mood you`re in. I´ll respond the minute you have something to say on the specific pieces of evidence presented in the OP. Until then: Be well

reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 07:02 PM by doctornamtab

The last Western King to declare himself a Sun God was King Louis XIV of France. We know of course we was just an egotistical Human. Extradordinary for sure, but nothing more.

---It seems to me nearly all rulers declared a blood relationship to some sort of god, god king, man-god or whatever. Just because it became unfashionable to declare it doesn't mean that these people don't still believe it.

Myths from around the World are exceptionally different.. u

----actually the whole point of the post is to show how similar these stories really are and how they all relate to each other. many ancient stories speak about wars between the gods, chariots in the sky and a great flood. Like one poster already pointed out -we made Jesus into a white guy so we can relate to his story. Ancient cultures also refocused the cultural attributes of the story so they could relate to it.

The sky is so often a part of these stories, imo, because the ancients were very close to the skies.. we are not, our lights pollute the earth, we do not, cannot see what they saw. Not to mention when stories were told, at night, quite often under the sky, the sky is a wonderful prop.

----You admit that the ancients saw more than we do and had a closer relationship to the sky but you think they were telling stories or downright lying when they relate what they saw? If they saw more than we are physically able to see I think we should at least give them half a chance and analyze with an open mind.

Awesome research, I read and enjoyed every bit of it.. but I could never accept your basic thesis that the first rulers of all civilizations were aliens.

-It must be easy to have all the answers.

reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 07:03 PM by doctornamtab

reply to post by Rockpuck

Ha. Good call Skyfloating. Rockpuck it seems that your posts are merely a representation of yourself. Keep up hope and if you're going to believe in people then why not believe in all people, even ancient people.

reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 07:05 PM by Rockpuck

reply to post by Skyfloating

Perhaps you don't understand my meaning...

We have had people in recent history claim to be God Kings.

What makes these stories more than stories? What makes them more than sensationalist claims? Where, aside from oral tradition, is the basis of fact? Proof? Hell, even Muhammad in Islam flew away into the sky in a fire chariot.. its absurd to think its anything besides sensationalism.

And the stories you post, none are identical.. they all relate to the sky, but as I say, when asking where we come from the most common answer is from somewhere other than here: the sky.

reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 07:42 PM by hoghead cheese

reply to post by Skyfloating

Good job, You did your homework on this and have been touching on things that have been overlooked and ignored for centuries. For the flood, the planet could have been tilted on purpose from it's axis of up and down or through a cycle. But it seems that when it did happen it must have been sudden or over a course of a few days. The reason I say this is because if you move any container that has liquid in it or on it in a different direction the water follows after the container, and Earth was the container. Earth has a circumference of 24,900 miles, it's axis tilt is off center by 23 degrees. That breaks down to about 5 percent of the 24,900 miles, which means that the shift of the earth went about 1,245.1 miles in one direction and the water stayed or was pushed back from shore in the opposite direction by that amount. So it is possible on the back push of the water for the land to be inundated with a massive and I mean massive tidal wave that went on shore by as much as 1,245.1 miles on the back end. Then on the front snap it could have went AT LEAST 1,245.1 miles onto shore (you have to take into account the release of the kinetic energy from the sudden shift being released forward and the weight of the water it held back), and that doesn't take into account the winds and earthquakes from this massive movement of land and water or even the slope of the land masses in areas where it could have let even more water flow into areas.

And we don't know when this flood could have happened, If it was an axis shift. I believe it was much longer than 5,000 years ago or even 10,000. It could have been at least 30,000 years ago or more and what we are hearing is stories either handed down from the participants in the cataclysm or a golden age of a time where man wasn't in charge of the planet and that civilization was destroyed with its works. Look at Baelbek in Lebanon and the pyramids and other megalithic structures. I believe that those and others was from a time way back then and we have memories and/or was told from the survivors of that cataclysm.

Also here's something that I've been trying to research that one poster who I made a friend on abovetopsecret posted his avatar and name is UNDO, but he made a statement and showed evidence of it. He said you will find it quite hard to find any HUMAN statue after 4,000 BC. He pointed out with pics showing sculptures and statues of reptilian looking individuals, even one holding a baby. I bring this up because through out all the civilizations on this planet the snake or reptile is part of their mythos. It would be different story if they lived in a place where they saw massive boa constrictors or large snakes taking their young and old all the time, but it's not. Winged serpents, water serpents, serpents that are half man etc. etc.. Why get stuck on serpents, heck if they wanted a horror story they could have easily used a spider or some form of varied insects that could get big and look alien and scary. What is it about the reptilian (and it's not the garden of eden in the bible, because that story is supposedly from another story from Sumeria that was picked over and may not have gotten it right). I have always wondered why didn't this planet ever "evolve" a branch of dinosaur that was intelligent and maybe became sentient over the epochs.

I truly believe we are a civilization that has forgotten more than what we have learned. It's almost as if our racial and/or species memory remembers things of why we have a psychological obsession with the serpent good or bad. Is it that as little furry mammals we where always beeing hunted by them and so millions and millions of years later we still have that memory. Or did we try to compete with a reptilian offshoot that was evolving and we won, but don't want people to know that their was another totally different species on this planet. Or did a reptilian species come from the stars and developed us and helped us (or as some say enslaved us).

I don't know which, but I do know that the line that they have been feeding us about the world civilization and even the bible is not right. There is more to the story that they left out and for a big reason too.

reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 08:01 PM by Orion65

Great thread, Sky. I've read Chariots of the Gods (and watched the DVD, it was great to see more visuals) and it's interesting to connect the ancient "gods" descend/ascend and interaction with humans in stories all over the globe in ancient texts that have been transcribed and translated. I've read more about the Egyptians/Middle East/India and Mayan/Native American but haven't really gotten to the China/Japan ancient histories yet. So this is a great place to start, interesting reading. S&F!

Also, I'm interested in the speculation that the Pyramids of Giza and the Sphinx are much older than publicly accepted, and predates a flood or pole shift as they have allegedly found water damage evidence. But that's another topic. As far as articles regarding ancient China and aliens from this very ancient time frame have you read this yet, and if so what do you think?

High in the mountains of BayanKara-Ula, on the boarders of China and Tibet - a team of archeologists were conducting a very detailed routine survey of a series of interlinked caves. Their interests had been excited by the discovery of lines of neatly arranged graves which contained the skeletons of what must have been a strange race of human beings; strange because they had unnaturally spindly bodies and large, over-developed heads. At first, it had been thought that the caves had been the home of a hitherto unkown species of ape. But as the leader of the team - the Chinese archeologist, Professor Chi Pu Tei - pointed out, "Who ever heard of apes burying each other?"

It was while studying the skeletons that one of the team stumbled on a large, round stone disk, half buried in the dust on the floor of the cave. The team gathered round the discovery, turning it this way and that. It looked, absurdly, like a kind of 'Stone Age Gramophone record'. There was a hole in the center and a fine, spiral groove radiated to the rim. Closer inspection, however, showed that the groove was, in fact, a continous spiralling line of closely written characters. The object was a 'record' ... in more ways then one. Only nobody at the time - the year was 1938 - possessed the key to its incredible message.

The disc was labeled and filed away among other finds in the area. Even those who knew of its existence knew nothing of its meaning. Many experts tried to translate the hieroglyphs in the 20 years the disc languished in Peking. They all failed. It was not until another professor -Dr. Tsum Um Nui - broke the code and started to decipher the 'speaking grooves' that the extraordinary implications of the disc were realized. Realized, that is, only by only a select few. The outside world remained in ignorance. For the professor's conclusions on the neaning of the disc were so shattering that they were offically suppressed. The Peking Academy of Pre-History forbade him to publish his findings.

Two years later, in 1965, the professor and four of his colleagues were finally given permission to reveal their theory. It appeared under the long-winded but intriguing title, "The Grooved Script concerning Space-ships which, as recorded on the Discs, landed on Earth 12,000 years ago".

source

reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 08:06 PM by NibiruWarrior

Rockpuck, people like you really do make me feel like drowning lots and lots of tiny kittens as that would be a more positive use of my time than reading your negative replies on this subject so far. Please don't get any more involved in the topic than you already are, for other readers' sakes.

I mean really, are you here for the swine flu propaganda posts or what, why even bother with ATS if your mind is so closed to this OBVIOUS historical information recorded arond the ENTIRE GLOBE, and you also think you are so right - more correct than the histories of EVERY ANCIENT CULTURE!? (rhetorical) - I think not and this stinks of some form of misdirection or doubt-casting.

Cultures don't just sprout-out all over the world around the same time, with the same recollections about the same things, in their own languages, you know. Like they are all lying or simply storytelling is really silly. Your opinion is overly naive and very very simplistic indeed, at best.

On the actual post, I absolutely loved it, it was a thoroughly entertaining and enjoyable read, very insightful and organised. I learned a lot about the other cultures with these same stories tonight - 10/10. THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!

Peace

reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 08:09 PM by Rockpuck

Originally posted by doctornamtab
reply to post by Rockpuck

Ha. Good call Skyfloating. Rockpuck it seems that your posts are merely a representation of yourself. Keep up hope and if you're going to believe in people then why not believe in all people, even ancient people.

Yes, I certainly hope my posts are represntative to who I am.. I would not desire to hide behind a mask, or else, assume I speak for everyone? Its not that I believe ancients to be dumb, or less intelligent, but lacking understanding. For eons the Sun its self was a god, and almost every culture associated normal activity like rain, waves, air and the likes to the magical powers of a God.. does that make it true?

reply to post by NibiruWarrior

Rockpuck, people like you really do make me feel like drowning lots and lots of tiny kittens as that would be a more positive use of my time than reading your negative replies on this subject so far.

Wow, I have been insulted on ATS many a times, but I don't think ever that far..

I have been on ATS far longer than you have, and I believe my own merits achieved here speak for themselves as far as "why I am here"..

I am however sorry to see that instead of openly engaging me, like some others, you decided to simply outright attack me.......

Sky: Brother, I appologize for my objective view points, which are apparently out of place in this forum. Good research, as always your threads are a spectacular read to probe deep questions. Perhaps next time I will be able to contribute more?

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reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 08:31 PM by rainfall

Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by Skyfloating

Awesome research, I read and enjoyed every bit of it.. but I could never accept your basic thesis that the first rulers of all civilizations were aliens.

Rockpuck,

Never say never.......you have a lot of growing still to do......the awakening is happening at break neck speed and soon the truth will be revealed to all....

This earth experiment is nearing it's end....the harvest is near....those 'first rulers' will reap what they have sown...

PEACE and LOVE....

reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 08:42 PM by NibiruWarrior

It doesn't matter how long we've each been members, only that what you said got up my nose, and not only mine by the looks of it.

I am sorry if it seems I went too far, but after reading this very nice post, it made me quite angry to hear what you had to say.

As for the openly engaging you, I am in the UK and so it is way past my bedtime, but one point I feel I must make however, is if these people lacked understanding, and simply made these "stories" up, why are they all the same in principle, and furthermore, how did they build such wonderous things as the pyramids and align them not only to the stars but also to the cardinal points of the earth, amongst other monsterous feats they all achieved in their own rights, around the world, on their own?

Impossible.

Again, sorry if you took it bad, it just really makes me wonder about why some people bother to reply when it is completely and utterly against the grain of, and implies mainly to discredit the information within, the thread. Maybe in this instance we could have both listened to some good advice: "if you ain't got nothing nice to say, don't say it" (yes I said both of us).

Very good piece of work again Sky - much appreciated!