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Of Emperors and Sky Gods


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Topic started on 21-10-2009 @ 06:31 AM by Skyfloating
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Ancient accounts around the world speak – almost without exception – of “Sky People” and “Sky Gods” descending to planet earth, flying through the skies, coming from and returning to the stars. Many accounts even specifically name the stars from which those “Gods” travelled to earth (Native Hawaiian legends for example claiming we are descendant from “Sky Gods” who came from the Pleiades). It is from such worldwide concordance that the “Ancient Astronaut Theory” arose. The theory is still rejected by large parts of global society because it puts most of our belief-systems to question. This article will focus on the Asian and especially Chinese aspects about which not much has been published yet.

“The Three Sovereigns” of Ancient China

The officially recognized and recorded History of China begins with the Shang-Dynasty (1600 – 1046) and somewhat with its predecessor the Xia Dynasty (2100-1600 BC).

Of what happened before “little is known”, so they say. The truth is that much of what is recorded as prehistory is viewed as fiction in modern China. Stripped of its lore, nothing much than some pottery from the Neolithic Age remains. But if we include the older oral records of Chinese Prehistory we soon have odd looking Gods descending from the sky, advanced technology and spaceflight.

The Shang-Dynasty is viewed as entirely historical and the Xia Dynasty as “partially historical, partially mythological”. This means that Historians will accept the evidence that matches their dogma and reject the evidence that does not. Most Historians view everything prior to the Shang-time a myth. But considering that Chinese Language and Culture were already fully developed by 2000 BC, something must have been happening before it, others argue.

The “Mythological Times” pre-Xia-Dynasty are called “The Age of the Five Rulers” or “The Age of the Three Sovereigns and Five Emperors” which adds three earlier, even more mythological rulers to the mix. Researchers that do advocate earlier Dynasties say these 7 rulers reigned from 2852 to 2205. Others speculate that the mythological lineage refers to time-spans of ten-thousands of years.

Chinese scholars admit that “Emperors” is a mistranslation. The word “Emperor” would not be used for another few thousand years. Historians and Linguists agree that the most likely translation of this character…



...is not “Emperor” but “Half-God” or “Superhuman”.

It is important to know that lineages of Gods, Half Gods and finally humans are recorded in many other cultures of our World, the best example being Ancient Egyptian God-to-Half-God-to-King progressions. And just like in our western culture most Chinese begin their History Lessons at a time when humans ruled, disregarding the time Gods roamed the Earth as "a legend only".

The first of the “three sovereigns” is known as the “Heavenly Sovereign” Fu Xi. The word “Heavenly” is a religious imposition which is, in most Languages alternatively translated as “Sky”, which gives us the translation “Sky God” or quite literally “Superhuman of the Sky” as the first ruler-God of China.

I will be using the translation “Sky” instead of “Heaven” throughout this article for the following reasons:

1. Most surrounding Asian cultures use the word “Sky” literally when referring to equivalent Gods and Stories.
2. The Chinese already have other words for “Heaven” or the Taoist concepts of afterlife and Infinity. In Taoism and Buddhism there is no Christian concept of “Heaven” and a personalized God, but rather of an impersonal “source” or “vastness” from which all things arose.
3. What Christians translated as “divine heavenly Beings” are beings that have rather human traits. They can indeed be seeing flying our earthly skies rather than an invisible celestial abode. Actually, saying “sky” where sky is meant and “heaven” were the afterlife or metaphysical realms are meant gives several mythological accounts a clarity and logic they did not have before.

Fu Xi is a cultural hero said to have brought writing, fishing and the I-Ching to civilization, among other things. The wife of Xu Fi, Nuwa is called the “Earthly Sovereign” or “Earth Goddess”.

Mythology reports of a great flood that swept earth leaving only Fu Xi and his wife Nuwa to survive. They had fled to the Kunlun Mountains (Tibet) and there ask for a sign from the “Sky Lords”. The “Sky Lords” approved of them procreating to found a new civilization. In order to speed up the procreation or creation of humans they found a way to use "clay" to create human figures and by some miraculous process could make these clay figures come alive. Fu Xi ruled over his descendants for 115 years and lived for 197 years. (1)

Nuwa is credited with having repaired or mended “The Wall of the Heavens” in order to stop the floods. Two Gods, Gong Gong and Xiang Yao are said to have caused the flood. It is said that Gong Gong was ashamed that he lost a fight for the throne of Heaven and in rage he caused “the sky to tilt towards the northwest and the earth to shift to the southeast thereby creating the tilt of the earth". This sounds as if dislodging the earth from its regular axis caused the great floods.


Image: Fu Xi and Nuwa

Both Fu Xi and Nuwa are shown as half-Dragons or half-Snakes in various ancient depictions.

This story reminds us of many other “mythological” stories of a global flood, especially the biblical/sumerian one. The the story of earth having been tilt to cause floods is also found in some legends of Native America. And for those who think it sounds strange that clay played any role in the creation of humans, some scientists are in fact discovering the role of clay in the origins of life:

”Clay had already proved to be potentially important in the origin of life. In the 1990s biochemist James Ferris of Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute showed that montmorillonite can help create RNA. When he poured nucleotides onto the surface of the clay, the montmorillonite grabbed the compounds, and neighboring nucleotides fused together. Over time, as many as 50 nucleotides joined together spontaneously into a single RNA molecule. The RNA world might have been born in clay, Ferris argued, perhaps the clay that coated the ocean floor around hydrothermal vents.“The thing that’s interesting is that there’s this one mineral that can get RNA precursors to assemble into RNA and membrane precursors to assemble into membranes,” (2)


Shennong is the third or first (depending on history version) of the “Three Sovereigns”, also called “The Human Emperor” or “God of Humans”. He is described as a God-Farmer who taught people agriculture, cultivating grains, herbal medicine, making Tea. Some sources say he was the co-founder of Chinese Civilization, the ancestor of all Chinese along with “The Yellow Emperor” Huang-Di (the first of the five Emperors) Some say he was directly related to Huang-Di. Legend says he could make his body transparent.

What came before the Three Sovereigns is the “Jade Emperor”. The Jade Emperor is the only of the “Gods” who may have been a non-physical entity. Taoism says he rules “all realms of existence” for Billions of years. Because of his metaphysical attributes we will not include him in our considerations of physically incarnate Extraterrestrials.

The Mythological Emperors of Ancient China

The five emperors or “God-kings” that came after the “Three Sovereigns” were, in this order:

• The Yellow Emperor (Huang-Di)
• Zhuanxu
• Ku
• Yao
• Shun

Some souces include Emperor Shaohao instead of or in addition to the Yellow Emperor. We will have a close look at both.

Huang-Di (2697-2598 B.C.) is considered to be the first emperor of China and the ancestor of all Chinese. Chinese scholars have always argued whether Huang-Di was “real” or “mythical”. Depending on the source you can either read that he was a god-king, a mythical-king, a real king, a god-like-king, a “son of the heavens” or a half-god. I would like to suggest that the solution may lie somewhere in between: He was real but not human. We know from other ancient cultures that those kings and rulers that descended from the skies were referred to as “Gods” and their offspring (from relations to humans) as “half-gods”. Chinese accounts are no different in this respect. According to legend, before Huang-Di was born there was “a radiance from the great star Chi and the Dipper Constellation (Ursa Major)”. His conception was marked by a “thunderclap on a clear day in the skies”. Huang-Di then begins his unification of China and is also credited with being a culture-hero, having brought traditional Chinese Medicine (including acupuncture) to the country. His wife taught the Chinese how to make silk. He was said to live in the Kunlun-Mountains in the heart of Tibet. After he lived and ruled for over 100 years he is said to have prepared his “return to the skies”. Then a Dragon “descended from the sky and took Huang-Di away”. Some sources say that he did not die then but lived another 200 years in the Syuan Yuan stars (the Leo Constellation). Huang-Di is also said to have authored a book called “Bai Ze Tu” which describes 11520 types of “shapeshifters, monsters, spirits, beings” in the Universe. This book is considered lost. A book of his that was not lost is titled “Handbook on Sex” and is the oldest known book on Sex. Some sources also cite Huang-Di as having instructed Lao Tzu…the originator of Taoism.

Many ancient accounts on Huang-Di keep referring to him as an inventor or developer of odd mechanical devices. A machine called “the south pointing chariot” helped him win various battles. Another odd device which Huang-Di is supposed to have invented is what is translated as “a tripod”. This “tripod” was 4 meters in height and “100s of energies filled its inside” and made “odd noises”. According to legend this tripod depicted “dragons flying in the clouds”. Furthermore, the tripod was set up at the “Summit Lake Mountain” (one of Chinas most famous mountains because of this legend) and “had to be pointed at the Syuan Yuan star” (our name for the brightest star in this Constellation is Regulus). This is also the star Huang-Di is said to be from. Apparently this “tripod” was also able to store data, as they say it recorded the life and times of Huang-Di. Huang-Di’s “Dragon” is not described as some mythological creature but as a device to ascend to “the suns”, as a means of transportation and that this dragon is more than three thousand years old.

The Biography of Huang-Di states that the Changhuan (this was the name of his Dragon) covers an extreme distance in only one day and that a human who “rides” it can reach and age of two thousand years. This is quite consistent with many other global myths and religious accounts of time dilation in regards to the “vehicles of the Gods” (3).



A Terracotta Figure of Huang-Di, 210 BC

Some Sources say Shaohao is the rightful father of China. He is also known as Jin Tian. The Encyclopedia has this to say about him:

Legend says that his mother, a weaver goddess, was a beautiful fairy named Huange who fell in love with the planet Venus while drifting on the Milky Way.

Could there be a more blatant reference to spaceflight than this? What this says is that ShaoHaos mother was travelling through space and came upon the Planet Venus to which she took a liking.

I looked through my textbook on Chinese Mythology to find confirmation of this. The full story says that she started out in her “celestial palace”. She got tired of her work and took a “raft” out into the “deep of the night”, flying through the “silver river” (which sinologists translate as “The Milky Way”). She fell in love with the Jin Xing and it is said that “Jin Xing gave birth to ShaoHao”. Jin Xing is translated as “The Planet Venus”. His beautiful mothers further travels took her to the moon and finally to earth. Another part of the myth says that ShaoHaos beautiful mother also wanted to eat a fruit from a “mulberry tree” and that this fruit would allow her to live forever (notice the similarities to the Genesis) (3).

ShaoHao himself is not associated with Dragons but with “The White God”, some accounts saying he is that God, others saying he is the Grandson of that God. He is also associated with Vultures, The Phoenix, The Eagle, The Hawk and other birds (which are traditionally recognized as the enemy of the Dragon). ShaoHaos Tomb is the only known stone Pyramid in China, located in Qufu. Is it a coincidence that the builder of Egypts largest Pyramid is caled Kufu?



ShaoHaos Tomb

Next on the List of the “Five Emperors” is Zhuanxu, the Yellow Emperors Grandson (some sources cite ShaoHao has the Yellow Emperors son). The remaining four Emperors do not appear to have extraterrestrial origins but be earth born. Nevertheless various innovations are attributed to them. Zhuanxu is said to have inveted the Calendar, Astrology, the exchange of matriarchal with patriarchal society, the outlawing of shamanism and the ban of close-kin marriage. He led the Shi clain in an eastward migration for them to intermarry with the Dongyi clan. He lived for 98 years, 78 of which he spent ruling.

Ku, Yao and Shun, while introducing further skills to humanity, do not display any divine or miraculous qualities and will also not be considered as extraterrestrials.
A deity who does not quite fit into this Chronology but is said to be something or somewhere between the Jade Emperor and the Three Sovereins is Tian. There is controversy to whether Tian means “Supreme Being”, “God” or “Heaven” and whether various interpretations come from the attempted Christianization of Chinese Mythology or not. Looking at the ancient oracle script for “Tian” he would not seem to be “the Supreme Being” or Shang-di (The Jade Emperor - A clue that Shang-Di is truly metaphysical is that it is never represented in pictures or idols):



Expert sinologist Herrlee Creel:

For three thousand years it has been believed that from time immemorial all Chinese revered T'ien 天, "Heaven," as the highest deity, and that this same deity was also known as Ti 帝 or Shang Ti 上帝. But the new materials that have become available in the present century, and especially the Shang inscriptions, make it evident that this was not the case. It appears rather that T'ien is not named at all in the Shang inscriptions, which instead refer with great frequency to Ti or Shang Ti. T'ien appears only with the Chou, and was apparently a Chou deity. After the conquest the Chou considered T'ien to be identical with the Shang deity Ti (or Shang Ti), much as the Romans identified the Greek Zeus with their Jupiter. (4)


Creel goes on to prove that originally Shang-Di was used to refer to “Supreme Being” and that over time it was replaced with Tian. He also shows that Tian may not be “The Supreme Being” but simply refer to “Gods” (plural) or “a great man” or, again, “God-King”. In addition he finds out that Tian also referred to “Sky” and even “Sky People”.

The ancient character eventually turned into this:



and has several additional meanings, some of which are:

• Forehead, Cranium
• Celestial Bodies, Stars
• The Sky
• Space
• Gods
• King, Monarch, Elders

There are parallels to Tian in other languages. The Mongolian word “tengri” means both sky, heavens, Gods and King. The ancient Tibetan Talen or talyan both mean “sky”. In the Naga culture of Burma and India the word for sky is “tin”.

[edit on 21-10-2009 by Skyfloating]



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reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 06:31 AM by Skyfloating


Tibetan Mythology

There is a list of ancient Tibetan rulers consisting of 42 names. But here again our contemporaries say that some of them are historical and others fictitious. In the case of the Tibetan lineage they say that the first 26 rulers are legend, all kings from 27 to 32 were historical and 33 to 42 completely factual.

Although there is hard evidence that the latter kings ruled exactly as described in Tibetan Mythology, modern scholars cannot accept that the older rulers were supposed to have descended from the sky in chariots.
The first “Emperor” of the region later known as Tibet was Nyatri Tsenpo. “Tsenpo” does not really mean “Emperor” though, but “Son of Gods”. This founder of Bod (the name of the region before it was called Tibet) is a descendant of Theurang who, according to the Bön Religion (a shamanic predecessor of Buddhism) is a "Space Spirit". Nyatri Tsenpo looked absolutely terrifying and was feared for it: His eyes closing from the bottom to top rather than top to bottom and his hands webbed. He is said to have descended from the skies (when the people asked where he is from he pointed to the sky) and landed on the mountain Yalashangbo. Because the locals feared him they quickly declared him King. The year of his enthronement is the first year of the Tibetan Calendar.

The Tibetan Kings were said to remain connected to the celestial abodes or heavens via a dmu thag which is translated by western scholars as “Sky cord/rope”. This dmu thag apparently deposited Nyatri Stenpo on earth and pulled him back up to the skies.

The ancient Buddhist text Mani Bka Bum gives an alternative account of Tibets origins. According to this account the people are the product of a union between a monkey and an ogress (a female monster). This at last truly does sound like fiction – until one learns that the “monkey” is actually representative of a being called Avalokitesvara and the ogress is actually representative of the goddess Tara.

Avalokitesvara in Sanskrit is “The Lord who looks in every direction”. The female Goddess Tara also features in Polynesian mythology where she is said to have ascended from the sea. The Ancient Druids and Ancient Irish myths also refer to a Tara as being “a mother goddess”. Ancient finnish accounts refer to “Tar” as “Women of Wisdom”, some South American Tribes call their “mother goddess” Tarahumara or derivations of that word.

Korean Mythology

In Korean there is no such thing as “Mythology”. Instead, prehistoric accounts are simply seolhwa (reports, stories) and these are classified into three sections:

Shinwa: “Stories of Gods and Spirits” (Shin means “Gods” and hwa means “words” or “talk”.)

Cheonseol: “Handed Down Stories” (Cheon: means “Transmit” and Seol “To Speak”)

Mindam: Folk Tales, Tales of Common People (Min means “People” and “Dam” means “to converse, to talk”)

Western scholars try to tranlaste these three as “myth, legend and folktale”, but that is just not precise. Shinwa usually refer to “The Gods of the Sky”, Cheonseol to heroic humans and Mindam to ordinary people. But, much to the dismay of western scholars, there is no “more true” and “less true” ascribed to them, which is why they ask:

What then, shall we do? Where do we draw the line? Is mythology in the Korean context limited to shinhwa, namely the small group of keonguk shinhwa? Or shall we define mythology in a much broader fashion, thus including many cheonseol and mindam as well? (5)


But if ancient accounts do not draw that line, why do we need to? Because “its just not possible that the Sky Gods existed”? Because ancient flight was not possible? Circular reasoning is a logical fallacy but it runs rampant in regards to the subject.

Just like in other cultures Korean Creation Lore begins with a state of nothingness out of which duality arose. Then deities arose. Then Gods arose. Then humans arose. This transition from metaphysical to physical is inherent in most creation myths. The appearance of physical beings in Korean Accounts begins with the “Sky Men” 천인(天人) and “Sky Women” 천녀(天女) who lived on a celestial fortress named Magoseong.

There were four Heavenly Men guarding each cardinal direction of the fortress, and they were Cheong-gung 청궁(靑穹), Hwang-gung 황궁(黃穹) who were children of Gunghwee, and Hukso 흑소(黑巢), Baekso 백소(白巢)who were children of Sohwee. They in turn married the four Heavenly Women, and gave birth to twelve children, who would become the ancestors of the humans. (6)


A separate pre-buddhist origins story of Korea is “The Tale of Ancient Oseon”. According to this there once lived a God called Hwanin on another “celestial body”. It has been determined that Hwanin is an alias of Indra, a God who features prominently all over Asia, especially in Hinduism. Hwanins son, Hwanung is said to have looked down at earth and shed tears over the fate of humans. He told his father he desired to rule them so that he could bring peace and justice to earth. Hwanin allowed him to descend to the earth and rule. He gave him three assistants (“Heavenly Heirlooms”), three thousand servants and three lords of wind, rain and clouds to accompany him.

Hwanung thus descended onto the world. He first arrived at the mountain-top of Mt. Taebaek and there established a city he called Shinshi 신시(神市), meaning City of the Gods. Hwanung took care of 360 human affairs, including agriculture, life, illness, justice, good and evil, etc. (5)


Vietnamese Mythology

This is how the Vietnamese say they came to be: Thousands of years ago in Linh Nam, there lived a clan chief with superhuman powers. His name was Kinh Duong. One day he met Long Nu, daughter of the Dragon King Long Vuong. From their union a son by the name of Sung Lam was born who succeeded his father as the countries ruler under the name Lac Long Quan (Dragon Lord of the Country of Lac). All kinds of heroic acts, legends and tales are ascribed to him.

Just like the Chinese, the Vietnamese also have the “Story of the Milky Way”, albeit in a slightly altered version. Excerpts:



Once upon a time there lived a very beautiful and charming princess, named Chuc-Nu. She was one of the many daughters of the King of Heaven.
Chuc-Nu was a very hard-working lady and she was often seen sitting on the shore of the Silver River to sew clothes for her younger sisters.
One day a young man herded his buffaloes to the river. His name was Nguu-Lang. He was very handsome. He fell in love with the princess at first sight, and she loved him, too. The King of Heaven, fully aware of their love, consented for her daughter to marry Nguu-Lang. But the couple had to promise to continue their work after their marriage.
They enjoyed being married so much the forgot their promise. The King became furious and ordered them to separate. Each of them would live on one side of the river and could only look at each other from across the river. The King allowed them to meet once a year in the seventh month of the lunar year. This month is called "The Month of Sudden and Short Showers". When they meet each other, they usually cry for joy. They cry even more bitterly when it is time for separation.
That is why it rains torrentially at the beginning of the seventh lunar month in Vietnam. If you happen to be in the countryside during this month, you do not expect to find any ravens. They are believed to have flown to the sky to help carry the bridge across the river for the reunion of Chuc-Nu and Nguu-Lang and if you look at the sky on clear nights, you may see the Silver River which looks like a long milky white strip. Therefore, it is called "Ngan ha" (The Milky Way) . (7)



This is a good example of how a some myths have common roots and are told in slightly altered versions from country to country. It is obviously the same story as the Chinese “Milky Way” tale, but with a slightly less extraterrestrial flavour. Apparently the Planet Venus is missing, and the “Bufallo Herder” approaching the “Silver River” was was described in more earthly terms.

Philippine mythology

We find the same basic tales of humankinds origins even if we move a bit further away from mainland China. People have resided on the Philippines since at least 30 000 years and it is said they passed down their origins story since that time.

The Story of Bathala

In the beginning there were three powerful Gods: Bathala, the caretaker of earth, Ulilang Kaluluwa, a serpent who lived in the clouds, and Galang Kaluluwa, the winged God. These three gods did not know each other.
The direct translation of Ulilang is “Orphaned”. This is highly interesting as it reflects other ancient myths of the serpent being orphaned or cast out by the Gods.

Bathala and Uilang Kaluluwa are said to have been lonely Gods. Bathala desired to create humans “but the empty earth stopped him from doing so”.. About Ulilang Kululuwa Korean Myth specifically states that he liked to travel and that planet earth was one of his favourite travel destinations. Again, this is highly indicative of that “serpent” travelling from planet to planet and thus being an ET-Traveller.

The two Gods one day met. Ulilang Kaluluwa was displeased that there was another God rivalling him and challenged Bathala to a fight to determine who would “rule the realms”. Bathala defeated the serpent-God and burned the his remains. He later met Galang Kaluluwa and they became true friends and were happy for many years, until Galang Kaluluwa became ill and died. Later yet, Bathala decided he was ready and able to create humans.

Bathala was later worshipped as “the most high” God of the Tagalog People of the Phillipines, as the creator of the Universe and Humanity. But according to earlier sources he is not “the Supreme Being”. Some say he only posed as such. Although the Taglog Language is closely related to Polynesian, “Bathala” has its origins in the Sanskrit “Battara Guru” and there, does not mean “Creator of the Universe” (for which Sanskrit has many other names) but “Great Teacher”. Another hint of him not being the omnipotent creator people worshipped him as is that he “dwelt in a place in the sky called Kaluwalhatian (Calualhatian)”. He send out lower classes of Gods called Anito to deal with humans, himself feeling too exalted to do so. His name is considered too sacred to pronounce and it was forbidden to make images of him (a God forbidding humans to make images of him can be found in many other cultures).

Christian Missionaries arriving in the Phillipines turned Bathala into the Christian God and the Anitos into saints and angels, while demonizing others. The Visayans are an ethnic group who are distinct from the Tagalog and they have other origins myths and Gods. Their highest god is Kan-Laon who lives in Mount Kanlaon. Their sky god(direct translation) is Kaptan.

The Sky God in other cultures

For the sake of comparison and proving that we are dealing with something more than mere fiction I would like to take a short look at the Sky Gods in other cultures around the world.

The “Sky Lord” of the Hindu Rigveda is called Dyusa, which derives from the Sanskrit root word “Div” “to shine”. “Dyeus” is a derivation of the word and means “sky father” or “shining father” and could very well be the origins of the Latin “Deus” (God) and the Greek Zeus and the Slavic Sky-God “Div”. Dyusas appearance in the sky is associated with bellowing thunder. In later times he is depicted either as a red bull or a black horse adorned with pearls – the pearls representing the starks of the milky way. He is said to have been killed by his son Indra who blasts him out of the sky to fall to earth and die.

In ancient Rome and Greece the “Sky God” was Jupiter (Zeus in Greece) and usually depicted as an Eagle or Hawk and associated with flying through clouds. As I will later show, ancient Asian Mythology hints at a war between Eagle-Gods and Serpent-Gods.

In Maori Mythology Rangi and Papa are the sky-father and sky-mother (both males and females feature as sky gods in all ancient accounts). Papas husband Rangi in Hawaiian is Wakea. In Rarotongan its Atea. In the Cook Islands the same sky God is called Vatea – which is almost identical to the Germanic “Vater” from which the English “Father” comes from. Its funny though that the female goddess is called “Papa”, which most of us associate with father.

Rangi and Papa are the parents of many children. One of them is Tumatauenga, who, in a family feud, wants to kill his parents. His brother Tane disagrees and suggests to separate the parents by having Rangi live in the sky above while Papa lives on earth below. They attempt to carry out their plan but despite their efforts Rangi and Papa remain “close together in their loving embrace”. It is only after further efforts that Tane achieves in forcing tem apart. One child Tāwhirimātea, disagrees with this and declares himself an enemy of his brothers. He flies off to join Rangi in the Sky and there bears his own offspring. He gathers his offspring as his army to fight his brothers. To conquer them he sends floods, hurricanes, storms over the earth. He “attacks the oceans and huge waves rise, whirlpools form, and the Gods dwelling on earth, flee in panic. One of these Gods, Tangaroa, lives in the ocean. His son Punga has two children, Ikatere, associated with Fish and Tu-te-wehiwehi, the “ancestor of the serpent”. Terrified by the disasters Tāwhirimātea is causing, Tangaroa forever remains angry at Tane for giving refuge to his runaway children. So Tane provides the descendants of Tumateauenga with boats, fishhooks and nets to catch the descendants of Tangaroa so that they may survive the flood. Tangaroa retaliates “by swamping canoes and sweeping away houses, land and trees that are washed out to sea in floods”.
This “war of the worlds” story goes on for awhile, but this short excerpt should suffice to show that it is very similar to other accounts that tell of a war between sky-gods leading to a huge flood.

The most important “sky ruler” of ancient Egypt was Horus who is also associated with the Hawk, Falcon or Eagle. He is however (correctly in my opinion) depicted as a humanoid being. “Flying like an Eagle” is a quality ascribed to him rather than a trait of his body. He is said to be the son of Isis and Osiris. His name comes from “hr w” which means not only “Falcon” but also “the distant one”, “the one above”, “the one in the sky”.
Isis told Horus to protect the people of Egypt from Seth, the God of chaos, storms and floods. Pharaos are said to be Horus “in human form”.
The Mixtec of ancient Mexico are among those who most bluntly trace their origins to extraterrestrials. The word “Mixtec” itself translates as “place of the cloud people”. They do not call their forefathers “Gods” or “Deities” but simply refer to them as “people who came down from the sky”.
The ancient mythology of the Aztecs, also of ancient Mexico, tells the story of an “Eagle” that killed a “Serpent” a long time ago. The Aztects trace their origins to the Toltecs who worshipped Quetzalcoatl, a feathered flying serpent.
I could go on like this, from culture to culture, but this should suffice to show that we might be mistaken about our ancient History.

What Academics say about “Sky People”

In late nineteenth century opinions on comparative religion, in a line of thinking that begins with Friedrich Engels and J. J. Bachofen, and which received major literary promotion in The Golden Bough by Sir James G. Frazer, it was believed that worship of a sky father was characteristic of nomadic peoples, and that worship of an earth mother similarly characterised farming peoples. According to this body of doctrine, nomads militarily overran farming societies, and replaced goddesses with male gods. During the process, it was believed that the invaders devalued the status of women and replaced a matriarchy with a patriarchy. The religious changes were imagined to reflect this change in the status of the sexes. This belief system was linked to the discovery of the Indo-European languages, and it was fancied that the military conquest underlying this model spread those languages. The sky father was held to be an Indo-European cultural ideal. (9)


My own objection to this interpretation is that all the myths referring to the “Sky Gods” feature both Gods and Goddesses, universally. Most often they are even portrayed as equal. Furthermore, there is really no evidence that originally farmers worshipped women and nomads worshipped men. My main objection is that the rise of anti-religious materialism in the 16th to the 19th Century went too far in its renouncements and lost all sense of rational discernment. Religious concepts were seen as superstition and contrary to scientific thought and method. As such, the entire idea was rejected instead of re-interpreted. The ancient astronaut theory, which maintains that the Sky Gods were neither Supreme Beings to be worshipped, nor imaginary cults only emerged in our times when we learned that flight and space-travel are indeed possible and always have been. Only for those who know nothing of space travel those ancient tales appear like fiction.


The theory of a common sky father is rejected by most archaeologists and anthropologists as an explanation of early European religious life. The archaeological record does not indicate that Indo-European languages spread throughout their area in Europe and Asia by military conquest alone. Many non-Indo-European cultures also have male-dominated pantheons, without being conquered or bent on conquest. There is no direct historical correlation between the worship of goddesses and the social status of women; nor is there a great deal of evidence that the worship of female deities is associated with agriculture, or that male gods accompany nomadism. Nor is there any reason to believe that the Indo-Europeans practiced a religion that was more male-dominated, patriarchal, or wont to promote male gods at the expense of goddesses, than any other polytheistic religion. (9)


Other academics correctly reject the notion of a belief in Sky Gods and whether they were male or female to have anything to do with nomadism or agriculture. Unfortunately they also tend to view the myths of various cultures as “unrelated”. This, in my opinion, is a mistake. The story of floods coming from a “war between Gods” for example is similar enough across the globe and warrants more comparative and interdisciplinary study.

This completes Part 1 of a 3 Part Series (2 and 3 to be published at another date)

Sources:

1 Worshiping the Three Sage Kings and Five Virtuous Emperors - The Imperial Temple of Emperors of Successive Dynasties in Beijing. Beijing: Foreign Language Press. 2007. ISBN 978-7-119-04635-8.
2 Carl Zimmer / What came before DNA? (Discovery Magazine Online, 2004).
3 Lihui Yang and Deming An / Handbook of Chinese Mythology
4 wikipedia.org/wiki/Tian
5 pantheon.org/areas/mythology/asia/korean/articles.html
6 wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_folklore
7 vietnam-culture.com/zones-4-1/Myths-and-Legends.aspx
8 wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_father 9 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_father


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reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 07:30 AM by Skyfloating


For reference and research:

An mini-version of the 3 part series or a "preview" was given in the earlier ATS-Thread Aliens of Ancient China.

General evidence of Ancient Astronauts around the world was provided in the earlier ATS Thread Ancient Extraterrestrials

Edit: Part 2 published: Of Flying Dragons and Metallic Discs

Edit: Part 3 published:
Of Ancient Wars and Spacecraft

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reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 07:45 AM by reject


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I do think it is strange that ancient cultures could come up with the concept of other "suns" and that people could live and come from the stars...

fwiw: "kaluluwa" means spirit and "galang" means wandering



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reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 08:04 AM by Skyfloating


Dont be shy to discuss, debunk, question, add, confirm, argue, prove, disprove folks...I want to learn some stuff too.



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reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 08:27 AM by Skyfloating


Originally posted by reject

fwiw: "kaluluwa" means spirit and "galang" means wandering



Yep, thats one interpretation. But some also sound ET-like:

Bathala

And Galang Kaluluwa, the winged god who loves to wander


Ulilang Kaluluwa who was equally lonely as Bathala, liked to visit places and the earth was his favorite.


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reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 08:34 AM by Le Colonel


Great information, thanks for sharing. I love to learn new things, and you just fed me this morning. There is so much we dont know about our shared ancient history.

You get a star and flag.



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reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 08:55 AM by TheIrvy


Thanks for a brilliant post, Sky, I've not heard or read any of that before, and I've not yet finished the whole thing, I need to go over the Mixtec stuff again.

It's another corroboration that backs up my notion that all of our religions are based on their own ancient texts. I was brought up Baptist in N Ireland (which is very different from American Baptist. Veeeeeery different!), and I had friends from all sorts of other Christian denominations, and whilst we were actively encouraged to read our Bibles daily and to accept what was written as the literal and infallible Word of God (which to my mind put the Bible into the position of being treated as an idol, and in many churches, while not blatantly so, they do practise a form of Bible worship). However, we were warned against reading other religions ancient writings, as those would confuse and mislead us, and the Devil would use them to sow doubt in our minds.

Little did I know at the time that the true motive behind that warning was promoting ignorance. I've looked at the beliefs and ancient writings of several different religions now, mostly thanks to the internet, and the commonalities are striking. So many things that were posted above have shocking similarities to accounts from the Bible, the Sumerian writings, the list goes on.

Theologians debate the veracity of individual texts, in an attempt to decide which is the "right" one, but I came to the conclusion a while back that it's nothing to do with right or wrong. If you are investigating any incident, a mugging in the street, a car crash, you try to get as many real witness accounts as possible. We all know from our own experiences that 2 different people's accounts of the same incident are rarely the same. Each person has their own perspective, their own interpretation, their own motives behind what they communicate about the incident to whoever is asking the questions.

The simplest way to say it is that way back in Earth's history, stuff happened. Humans who were here at the time saw that stuff happening, and felt that it was important stuff, so they decided to tell others about that stuff. This stuff was important, so it was told to successive generations, and they were told to remember it, and to pass it on to their next generation as well to preserve the knowledge. Later on it became obvious that a better way to record the knowledge and preserve it was to write it down.

The farther away from the actual event you go, the more time has allowed for "local colour". The brave and noble characters involved were assigned nationalities and names that reflect the culture, rather than the real characters involved. We see that today in our depictions of a white Jesus, and in many children's cartoons telling Bible stories have an all white cast as well. We make the accounts of the real events relevant to ourselves and our culture.

One thing that's really caught my eye this week is the ribbon that has been discovered on the sun's heliosphere. The description of it having filaments made me immediately think of Quetzalcoatl, the flying feathered serpent. I wonder how relevant this ribbon might become in the coming months and years, as we find out if it's a static artifact that we're only now seeing, or something new that's forming and perhaps even moving. The Bible tells us that we'll see wonders in the sky. That ribbon makes me wonder!



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reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 09:02 AM by mblahnikluver


Wow skyfloating I didnt know any of this. I dont really see much on the Asian emperors and their "sky gods." Wonderful thread!! I just find it so weird that so many cultures/civilizations of long ago all talk about the same thing basically but its like the story is told in different ways to the different cultures. To me what are the odds that the entire world tells almost the same story and yet people still dont want to even think of aliens or sky gods being something real. It makes me wonder what happened to make these things tabu and not something one should talk about. If they passed these stories on for years then why stop? what happened? This is just my take on all of this. I will be looking forward to the next parts

S&F!



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reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 09:03 AM by Nventual


I'm not sure, but I think every culture in history has stories about people from the sky who created or helped life.

The aborigines here in Australia believe a giant silver reflective bird landed here carrying the first people of earth. There's also that tribe in a part of Africa that have knowledge of the star systems that they say was handed down to them by visitors from the stars, I can't remember the name.



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reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 09:47 AM by Skyfloating


Originally posted by TheIrvy
However, we were warned against reading other religions ancient writings, as those would confuse and mislead us, and the Devil would use them to sow doubt in our minds.



I and many others were told similarily.

It is only by comparing all of them you begin to see reoccuring themes that are identical around the globe. And then things begin to make sense a bit more at least.


The farther away from the actual event you go, the more time has allowed for "local colour".



Yep...as evidenced by the many different versions of Noahs Flood-Story. Now we know of a Chinese Version too.



Thanks for commenting.

(Sorry, dont know anything about the ribbon)

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reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 09:56 AM by Skyfloating


Originally posted by mblahnikluver
I dont really see much on the Asian emperors and their "sky gods."



There`s a lot of stuff one does not see much of...


what happened to make these things tabu



Maybe something very unsettling...

Originally posted by Nventual
There's also that tribe in a part of Africa that have knowledge of the star systems that they say was handed down to them by visitors from the stars, I can't remember the name.


Dogon.

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reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 10:09 AM by mblahnikluver


Originally posted by Skyfloating
Originally posted by mblahnikluver



what happened to make these things tabu



Maybe something very unsettling...



Yeah that is what I am thinking and have thought. Do you have any thoughts as to what might have happened?



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reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 10:26 AM by guidanceofthe third kind


it was probably a realization that not knowing what stock we come from has more of an ability to give solidarity to our species rather than wanting to be elsewhere. the communists realized this better than anyone else and so they destroyed much of the history that the OP mentioned



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reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 10:37 AM by anyone


Have you ever heard about the Bird Tribes?

I think I will go look for a good link...

-anyone



I recommend the book Return of the Bird Tribes.
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reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 10:45 AM by Julie Washington


Skyfloating, Star & Flag!

I really appreciate these kinds of threads because I believe you are right in your theory, but there is really nowhere to find these comparsions put together, that I know of.

Can't wait to see what else you have for us! Thanks for your time and dedication to this research.



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reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 11:10 AM by menguard


Skyfloating
The Biography of Huang-Di states that the Changhuan (this was the name of his Dragon) covers an extreme distance in only one day and that a human who “rides” it can reach and age of two thousand years. This is quite consistent with many other global myths and religious accounts of time dilation in regards to the “vehicles of the Gods” (3).



Interesting, so what he is saying, "Is that somebody that rides inside a ufo, not only changes one's physiological state but his whole life expectancy would continue to support the persons density aboard the craft or while aboard it"

This would also tell me that the electromagnetic grid around the body, or the bodies bio-electric field is interfered with preventing energetic loss to ones well being holding the whole electromagnetic field in a type of suspension, or force field around it, preventing the body from molecular distrophy and atrophy.



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reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 11:16 AM by ufoptics


Great Thread, S&F for you my friend! Since childhood I have asked these same questions to my parents and church. The only answers they gave were so ridiculous in factual content, that even as a child I knew there was so much more to this.
But, trying to fit in and follow my families religous roots (Roman Catholic), I tried to surpress the inner feelings of the need to question and for the answers. It wasn't until I went on a search for "my soul & being" in 1989, leaving my previous life behind me, I began getting this information (The histories that you have outlined in this thread).
The internet has been such a useful tool in that search, back then I had only the libraries to use, with so much information to take in and comprehend.
Thank you for putting this together, it has been so interesting and refreshing to read. Some known and some new, but all very well written and organized.



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reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 11:43 AM by Jazzyguy


Each time I heard the story of the chinese and the celestials, I always giggle a little, even until today, there's a part of me which believe that the celestials dumped the chinese on earth because they're a bunch of snobby brats. Let's just say I read a book about this chinese myth too, a long time ago.

Oh yeah one more thing, I think they'll return someday, if they're not here already, after all, they're people too.



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reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 12:00 PM by cosmicpixie


Really good research, thanks for the interesting read

One thing I have not really worked out is why the gods in these global legends handed over kingship/rulership of Earth to their more human descendents. Why did they leave Earth , or rather why did they cease to rule openly upon Earth as all the legends attest to them having done in the beginning. They seem to have hung around a bit after the world wide distasters then take leave...I've no doubt they have been monitoring - an in my opinion influencing - worldy events ever since but why did they decide to take more of a shadowy approach to Earth ?

Was there not enough of them left , along with vastly depleted technological resources , making it improbable they could have the same kind of control on Earth as they once enjoyed in the "golden era" ? Have they been waiting for man to reach similar levels of technological and scientific advancement before they attempt to re-establish themselves ? So that through us, they can benefit ? Have they been weakened and outnumbered all these millenia ? Have they been waiting for events on Earth to reach the climactic point prophecied in the disparate world belief systems they have inspired (perhaps deliberately inspired) so they can swoop in as our "saviours" as promised and therefore have the best possible chance of being accepted by the world and . Is is all a deliberate plan for takeover ? I myself think so. I cannot for one minute trust our creators when those creators abandoned their creations and left us in total confusion about our origins, heritage, purpose, etc. When specialized knowledge and insights was given by them to select leaders who were told not to divulge the secrets to the masses. They effectively created the first secret societies !

What is your take on it Skyfloating ?



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