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Originally posted by felonius
The OP is (as best i can tell) talking about how sex has went from an enjoyable, natural thing to a means of social destruction. Kill the family, kill the country. Check your "communist checklist" for the destruction of America.
Originally posted by For(Home)Country
Originally posted by felonius
It spits in the very face that is benevolent collectivism. Lenin wouldn't be proud.
Originally posted by LordBucket
reply to post by For(Home)Country
Hey, For(Home)Country. Been another day, but I see you still haven't addressed a bunch of things we left unfinished.
1) What is "marriage?" You suggest that it's best for sex to only occur within marriage. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing at this point, but what is marriage? What it is really? Is it a legal contract? Is it personal approval from God? What is it?
2) Why do you place such tremendous importance on sex? Why is sex so holy to you that may only occur within a formal process? Do you appreciate the irony that you're complaining about the preoccupation our society has with it, but you appear to idolize sex? You're christian, yes? I'm accusing you of idolizing sex. Worshipping it, and perceiving it as a holy thing. Why else would it be restricted to marriage? You appear to wish to bring sex into the temple, and to keep it there where it may not be desecrated by the unworthy masses. You don't feel this way about love, or emotion. After all, Jesus said to love everybody, right? Why is love to be passed out casually, but sex reserved for only the most "pure?"
3) Now that you realize that saying something "should" be simply means that you personally expect it, would you like to revise any of your previous statements? For example, when you say that you "firmly believe that sex should be within marriage" really all you're saying is that you personally expect it to be that way. That's fine, but surely you understand that your own personal expectations have very little pull on anyone else. Is there anything you'd like to clarify with your newfound understanding of what "should" means?
4) Finally, I would also still like to hear you explain your preception of male/female. I've given you a brief explanation of my perception of gender relations, at least so far as "physical" gender relates to more fundamental natural forces: yin/yang. You've suggested that you disgaree with my view, and that you foudn it distasteful, but you've yet to give me your own view. My impression is that you've never thought about it clearly enough to get a good understanding of your own view, and I'd like you to think about it enough to try to explain it to me. My guess is that your belief system regarding male and female contradicts itself, but you haven't realized that. So if you don't mind, please explain to me what male are female are, how they are different, and what is the proper manner for them to relate with one another?
Originally posted by 4stral4pprentice
reply to post by LordBucket
I have a question for you, not to derail the topic but that last post of yours is a bit in tune with what i talk about in my philosophy with relationships, could you give me your comment on it? It would be much appreciated, i would also appreciate the OP's comment, you can find a link for it in my post above.
P.s. I whole heartedly agree with the OP
Marriage to me is a:
a. a legal contract recognized by the state
b. the un-faltering commitment by both parties to endure to the
end (Till death do us part), regardless of circumstances.
c. The Forsaking of "all others" where "others" is the possible
opportunities to develop an intimate relationship with someone else
d. Confessing these wishes and desires to God, acknowledging
you have come into terms between yourself, your partner and God of marital commitment.
To turn sexual intercourse into something as common as soda consumption
among teenagers is to destroy one of the most intimate experiences two
people can have because it becomes common and meaningless;
I'm simply stressing the intimacy that occurs in sex, and that sexual
intercourse is not something that should be taken lightly because it creates a strong bond
should means 'based on personal opinion, I think
that...', but an opinion is based on something, no?
men and women are created equal.
men and women are equal
Men and Women are equal in all social aspects
Originally posted by LordBucket
reply to [/post by For(Home)Country
Are you saying that in your perfect world, sex and marriage would require state approval? I don't think I'd want to live in that world. I think the state has absolutely no business being involved in marriage whatsoever. I can think of no legitimite reason for people to believe that they need the states permission to be involved with one another.
For example...if somebody were to suggest a "marriage" contract with a fixed duration...say, they agree to be committed for one year...would that be wrong?
So then, to you, marriage is about possession? Marriage, to you, is a non-competition clause?
Does "loving everyone" make love common and meaningless? Does free intellectual discourse amongst people make it common and meaningless?
I for one, would say that love is far more intimite than sex. If intimacy, and "strong bonds" are your concern...why are you not suggesting that love should be kept chained and confined within similar rules?
I simply object to saying "this should be this way" when what someone really means is "I think it would be better for me and people who agree with me if everybody did things my way."
It's possible this issue might be difficutl for us to communicate for lack of common ground to speak on. Many english speakers tend to use mathematical expressions to convey non-mathematical concepts in a fuzzy, imprecise way. It's so deeply engrained in the language that it's difficult sometimes, for people to realize that their words are imprecise.
Is that basically what you're suggesting?
I think that you have very unique values that not many people can relate to, which is interesting.
From what I gather from your posts, I would assume you are more inclined to believe in the 'pointlessness' of marriage?
If you loved everyone like you loved your husband/wife, then there would be no point to having a husband or wife.
Why would you believe that sex is not intimate
Bluntly, people who disagree are wrong.
equal is an English term used in mathematics.
It's used in math when two variables are identical
So you believe in incarnation? Interesting. How does that effect the way you view sexuality and it's properties?
If we don't learn how to dress better, get our mind off of sex and pornography, then our culture is just as doomed as if Niburu was on it's way to disrupt our planet's core and magnetic field. Pornography destroys relationships. Sex destroys man's dignity and sleazy dressing destroys the respect of a female. Period.