Traditional Americans are Losing their Nation

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posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 05:18 PM
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Originally posted by Level X
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Traditional Americans were once called many things back in the day. The word traditonal when applied to a way of life sometimes... ain't so good.

What has been a "Traditional American"?? Here are some clues

1. Traditional Southern Whites - this monicker was used for 200 years as a slick way of saying "We are righteous kings... The negroes are nothing more than monkeys to serve and beat into their place"


This ia very severe twist of what I was saying in the OP. There is no intent to single out or make this about "Traditional Southern Whites".


2. Traditional Americans never liked Jews, Chinese, Mexicans and even the Irish. They smile in ones face and pretend... but behind closed doors... in their frats and secret owl worshipping societies they turn a 180.


This is partially true, but not for the reason you stated. When any of these groups first showed up in America, there often was a kind of xenophobic view of them - until they began to assimilate. The exception to that might be the Jews, who seem to be hated here on ATS and elsewhere no matter what they do.


2. The real Traditional American's will ALWAYS BE the Native American's - see how they've lost everything because of the anglo Christian tradition.


The context of this thread was meant to be more or less current times - at least the last 100 years.


3. Traditional Americans (Republicans) have sold this country to the highest bidder.


Ah, here we go. So I'll add that democrats are currently topping that by GIVING away whatever is left.


4. Now they have reinvented themselves to accept and even vote for something that is NOT THEM to save there souls.





Tradition in this country has been used negatively for centuries hiding behind their bibles and flag.

[edit on 21-10-2009 by Level X]


My daughter had a college professor try and tell her that one once. She didn't swallow that attempt at revisionist history, but it appears you did?




posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 05:21 PM
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Centurion, I understand completely what you're proposing, which is more than some posters can understand.

If I may, I would suggest that Traditional Americans aren't losing their nation, but they are instead, relegated to a pause mode.

Those of us, those of the "God, guns, and guts" group are still around, still numerous, still have moral values, and we just aren't the ones out there raising hell right now.

It's odd though, that the elderly generations of the "GGG" group in recent months have been staging the Tea Parties, the tax protests, the protests against the government insurance plan, and are going to show up in 2010 polls with a vengeance.

We haven't lost it yet.

Patience until patience is lost. It's a matter of time before this current ruling group lose control. When it comes time for a house cleaning, it will get cleaned.

The "GGG" crowd, historically, once they start cleaning, do so with a righteous vengeance. In fact, no one in history kills like the "GGG" group once they've been pushed to the limit.

Traditionally, once they're pushed into action, don't stop until they've solved all their problem sources.

An example could be found when vigilantes in the nineteenth century would decide to "clean up."

Of course the really bad guys were rounded up first, and often enough, once started, they would round up characters that just didn't "belong." The larger trees would be decorated with those hung, and it would be a long time coming before trouble-makers would even cross the territory.

No, good, moral, God-fearing people will eventually prevail once again, it's just not time yet.

Those who hate good, moral, God-fearing folks are usually the more morally weaker of the species and fall faster than burdschitt in a downdraft.

Why?

Because they aren't of the "GGG" group.

Nothing to be feared more than good folks who have had enough, who's moral imperative justifies their actions.



posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 05:21 PM
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Originally posted by sos37
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Who said anything about curtailing/allowing rights? I'm not for limiting anyone's rights in any form.

I'm saying look at EVERYONE objectively and don't ever let your guard down.


But I also do not believe in giving the same rights as citizens have to illegal immigrants. They come in legally, fine.



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posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 06:10 PM
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Since your mouth is open, what is YOUR idea of traditional American values that this country has strayed away from?

Or can you do nothing else but criticize others?



posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 06:22 PM
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"Strayed" Your word, not mine.

I adapt. I remain fluid, I am a survivor.

Change is the only constant and the pen is mightier than the sword.

Traditional American values? Jumbo shrimp?

Regards...KK



posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 06:32 PM
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Fluid, like water, adaption, and similar terms usually mean the persona in question has no anchor, no core values, will bend with the prevailing wind, and in general, is useless.

Survive?

Whatever.



posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 06:37 PM
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“Nothing in the world is more flexible and yielding than water. Yet when it attacks the firm and the strong, none can withstand it, because they have no way to change it. So the flexible overcome the adamant, the yielding overcome the forceful. Everyone knows this, but no one can do it.” - Lao Tzu



posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 07:00 PM
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We aren't speaking of fixed fortifications. We are talking about values. Principles. Moral laws.

"So it is that good warriors take their stand on ground where they cannot lose, and do not overlook conditions that make the opponent prone to defeat." Sun Tzu

Core, traditional values were obtained over the millennia, and they have changed little during that time.

The US today is a moral and civil disaster.

That's what happens when you drift from traditional values, and it has nothing to do with situational ethics, which is nothing more than a milkweed in a hurricane.



posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 07:01 PM
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A general response to OP. I find it ironic that a certain "segment of society" ( to use OP's words) feel that they and they alone have an exclusive monopoly on morals, decency and values. As if any opposing views render others void of character and bankrupt of integrity.

I'd like to present a visual aid that is germane to author of article in OP and the political party he represents:



Something about stones and glass houses.

Regards...KK



posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 07:12 PM
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Originally posted by kinda kurious
A general response to OP. I find it ironic that a certain "segment of society" ( to use OP's words) feel that they and they alone have an exclusive monopoly on morals, decency and values.


When did the OP ever say this? When did anyone ever claim that the Republican party was the party of the righteous? There are "black sheep" no matter which political affiliation you side with.




As if any opposing views render others void of character and bankrupt of integrity.



Now who are you talking about? Surely you can't mean the current administration which is seeking to abridge the Constitutional rights of Freedom of Speech and Press by "waging war" against a news network simply because they don't like what they say about them?



posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 08:17 PM
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So anyway back to the topic at hand,
I started thinking about the term "Traditional" American and I started wondering how many categories of Americans I could come up with since Traditional has been the spark for so much fire thus far, and I'm just curious as to whether "Traditional" is a Main category or a sub category within another.
So here's my attempt at a serious list of Americans any (real) help in its refinement would be greatly appreciated, and in the end lets see where this controversial title finds a bed to call home.

Native American
Cuban American
English American
African American
German American
Italian American
French American
Polish American
Irish American
Chinesse American
Japanese American
Greek American
Spanish American
Mexican American
Croatian American
Turkish American
Palestinian American
Russian American
Slovak American
Portugese American
Israeli American
Swedish American
Scottish American
Dannish American
(a blend of above) American

Catholic American
Jewish American
Protestant American
7th Day Adventist American
Baptist American
Christian American
Hindu American
Islamic American
Buddist American
Atheist American
Wiccan American
Agnostic American
Satanist American
Non Denominational American
Spiritual American
Pagan American

Male American
Female American
TransSexual American
Young American
Old American
Middle Aged American

Healthy American
UnHealthy American
Wealthy American
Rich American
Middle Class American
Struggling American
Poor American

Employer American
Employed American
Unemployed American
Welfared American

Independent American
Federalist American
Whig American
Communist American
Conservative American
Socialist American
Constitutionalist American
Democratic American
Republican American
Liberal American

Voting American
Non-Voting American
Involved American
Uninvolved American

Hard Working American
Lazy American

Tax Paying American
Non Tax Paying American

Honest American
Lying American
Caring American
Apathetic American
Selfish American
Sharing American

Dead American
Living American
Future American

So that's where I'm at so far, and looking over this list, I can actually pick any combination of titles and as many as I would like to pick and create an American, just 1 individual, and all of these people exist right here, right now, (well except maybe the whigs and federalists) but the point is these are the true Traditional Americans in my opinion, its actually just each and everyone of us.
I dont care about the emotion that the article lit up and how it was slanted to be a color issue, another division seed ready for the fertile soil of hatred and the rain of prejudice to bring it to its sick twisted life.

Dont fall for that, really dont fall for it anymore.
It works, it works way to well and honestly I think, no, I know were better than that, as a whole were better than what weve allowed, (yes we allowed this) to happen.

So as a Male Struggling Italian Croatian Middle Class Healthy Middle Aged Spiritual Employed Conservative Involved Voting Honest Caring Giving
Hard Working Tax Paying Living Citizen,
Am I A Traditional American?

I know I'm very upset with the way things are, and I'd help anyone who needed it, but am I a traditional american.????

[edit on 21-10-2009 by HappilyEverAfter]



posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by Angus123
This is all code for "old white guys up in arms about not retaining the monopoly on everything."

Replete with plenty of scapegoats for good measure.


You have Stockholm syndrome.
You identify with those who will destroy you, out of fear.
It is a real condition.
Many of the OPs have it too.



posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 09:26 PM
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Originally posted by centurion1211 TRADITIONAL AMERICANS ARE LOSING THEIR NATION


You are too politically correct.
I read up to page 4 and I would say every post was also too politically correct.
This post is also too politically correct.

Change is just a euphemism for the war being waged against the American Middle Class. Nothing in Politics happens by accident. Those waging the war would like nothing better than to see the minimum wage reduced to 50 cents an hour like it is in Mexico or 30 cents in China.

Everything else discussed is just the McGuffin in the room.

Everything else discussed is just a distraction.

Its as simple as that.



posted on Oct, 22 2009 @ 12:04 AM
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Because we're not talking about anything else.
Those topics do matter, but not with this thread.
We're talking about American which typically means the USA.
Carry on..



posted on Oct, 22 2009 @ 12:32 AM
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A very good question. I even have a very good answer for you.

Because white people have not been oppressed in the United States. Assorted ethnic groups classed as "white" have been, but this oppression vanishes in a generation as they breed into the sea of other white faces in the country.

In the United States of America, "white pride" is essentially meaningless, because white people have never overcome the handicap of race and bigotry to "make it".

With my people, and the blacks, and the hispanics, and the asians, and recently the Arabs, our pride comes from a very simple notion that, despite the deck being heavily stacked against us, we have made it anyway.

Being proud of being white in America is sort of like Paris Hilton being proud of her wealth - she never earned it, it was given to her. She did not fight and scrape and prevail against the world around her, defy conventions and rise above difficulties that were beyond her control to get where she is - she just fell out of her mother into a big pile of cash.

Now if you want to be proud of your irish heritage, or your German heritage, or what have you, go right ahead, as I've said, certain groups of "whites" have had a raw deal in US history. But "white people" never have.

[edit on 22-10-2009 by TheWalkingFox]



posted on Oct, 22 2009 @ 02:35 AM
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I think we agree on many levels with exception of your Republicans... The DEMs are selling off the rest of the farm, but... your REPs are the evil ones.



posted on Oct, 22 2009 @ 02:42 AM
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Native American
Cuban American
English American
African American
German American
Italian American
French American
Polish American
Irish American
Chinesse American
Japanese American
Greek American
Spanish American
Mexican American
Croatian American
Turkish American
Palestinian American
Russian American
Slovak American
Portugese American
Israeli American
Swedish American
Scottish American
Dannish American
(a blend of above) American

Catholic American
Jewish American
Protestant American
7th Day Adventist American
Baptist American
Christian American
Hindu American
Islamic American
Buddist American
Atheist American
Wiccan American
Agnostic American
Satanist American
Non Denominational American
Spiritual American
Pagan American

Male American
Female American
TransSexual American
Young American
Old American
Middle Aged American

Healthy American
UnHealthy American
Wealthy American
Rich American
Middle Class American
Struggling American
Poor American

Employer American
Employed American
Unemployed American
Welfared American

Independent American
Federalist American
Whig American
Communist American
Conservative American
Socialist American
Constitutionalist American
Democratic American
Republican American
Liberal American


Impressive list of exactly why this country is so divided. People all want their own identity, when in all reality we should be just plain old American.

If you want to see this country really take off the way it was always supposed to, remember that your just an American, so are all the other Americans around you. Don't hyphenate, don't sub group, just plain old Americans.

Different ideas are good, segregation based on a hyphen is bad.



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