reply to post by exposethosesecrets
I found the book on microfilm at my university. I'm going to look tonight, I sent you a U2U. But maybe someone else wanted to see something specific
from it... its really long but I'll look for anything juicy to upload here.
My search for the 1990 USAFA Chemtrail document, page 3
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reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 04:25 PM by smurfy
Are there any alternative links to Chemical spraying other than the OP's? has anyone tried to find any, and it should include all posters? It is
wrong to take a presumed stance in a thread like this one. Is there a precendence going back to early days of this kind of action. I don't have a
link as yet, but did not the US navy aerial spray over San Francisco in the past and people got sick, (of course they only imagined their illness
because the Navy said what they did was harmless) well they would say that! In this OP's last thread one poster mentioned Chem spraying in the same
breath as Swine 'Flu and raised a titter. Well it's not really so funny at all. In actual fact the symptoms of Barium poisoning,(from a poisonous
form of Barium obviously) are similar to 'Flu but may have other symptoms unrelated to 'Flu according to how high a degree of Barium poisoning there
is. It is surprising,(not really)how much accidental Barium poisoning has occurred,
members.tripod.com...
an educational site, (I like the midi..."wind beneath my wings")
The other thing is that the Swine 'Flu vaccine has a lot of "stuff" in it that is the same as you would give to a Barium poisoned person. I am making a comparison only here, it's up to your own mind what's going on.
Here's a Wiki for the US navy story,(quite remarkable really that they actually used a bacteria with a possible link to 'Flu in a exercise)
en.wikipedia.org...
this link for the contents of Swine 'Flu vaccine is not dated, some contents are more surprising than others if accurate and the site owner is probably hostile to the vaccine. Still food for thought though,
www.vaccineriskawareness.com...
[edit on 21-10-2009 by smurfy]
members.tripod.com...
an educational site, (I like the midi..."wind beneath my wings")
The other thing is that the Swine 'Flu vaccine has a lot of "stuff" in it that is the same as you would give to a Barium poisoned person. I am making a comparison only here, it's up to your own mind what's going on.
Here's a Wiki for the US navy story,(quite remarkable really that they actually used a bacteria with a possible link to 'Flu in a exercise)
en.wikipedia.org...
this link for the contents of Swine 'Flu vaccine is not dated, some contents are more surprising than others if accurate and the site owner is probably hostile to the vaccine. Still food for thought though,
www.vaccineriskawareness.com...
[edit on 21-10-2009 by smurfy]
reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 04:32 PM by weedwhacker
reply to post by smurfy
smurfy, all valid questions...EXCEPT any and ALLpast spraying operations, that are now being revealed, were NOT conducted at Flight Level 300 and above??? (That is 30,000 feet, and higher...)
I used that as an arbitrary number...in fact, contrails can form a bit lower, but not much, usually 25,000 feet is the bare minimum altitude. (depends on conditions)
Point is:
WHAT people see is WAY HIGH UP!!! Therefore, they are contrails. Period. End of story.
NOTHING "sprayed" that high up is going to 'fall to Earth' below it!!! The atmosphere just doesn't work that way!
EVERY example, whether on YouTube or some ridiculous 'conspiracy chemtrail' site, shows CONTRAILS. That is it...they don't 'fall to Earth'...no one has EVER seen that...they are nothing but ice crystals, formed due to the passage of jet airplanes, into artifical cloids, the types usually called 'cirrus' clouds, because they are ICE crystals, at those altitudes. They travel with the prevailing winds, at those levels....they do NOT fall down onto you!!!
IF you think they will 'fall' on you, then please, by all means, post videos showing this!!!! Perhaps, then, there can be some so-called "proof"...but, until....
smurfy, all valid questions...EXCEPT any and ALLpast spraying operations, that are now being revealed, were NOT conducted at Flight Level 300 and above??? (That is 30,000 feet, and higher...)
I used that as an arbitrary number...in fact, contrails can form a bit lower, but not much, usually 25,000 feet is the bare minimum altitude. (depends on conditions)
Point is:
WHAT people see is WAY HIGH UP!!! Therefore, they are contrails. Period. End of story.
NOTHING "sprayed" that high up is going to 'fall to Earth' below it!!! The atmosphere just doesn't work that way!
EVERY example, whether on YouTube or some ridiculous 'conspiracy chemtrail' site, shows CONTRAILS. That is it...they don't 'fall to Earth'...no one has EVER seen that...they are nothing but ice crystals, formed due to the passage of jet airplanes, into artifical cloids, the types usually called 'cirrus' clouds, because they are ICE crystals, at those altitudes. They travel with the prevailing winds, at those levels....they do NOT fall down onto you!!!
IF you think they will 'fall' on you, then please, by all means, post videos showing this!!!! Perhaps, then, there can be some so-called "proof"...but, until....
Forget about where stuff falls,
if it is there it will fall...like the Navy's busted balloons.reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 06:12 PM by afterschoolfun
Originally posted by JoshNorton
reply to post by Chadwickus
Well, when Steve was on ATS calling himself stompk, he started this chemtrail thread:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
He was banned and came back as cutbothways and started these threads:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
He was banned and came back as Manasseh and started these threads:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
He was banned and came back as doctordoom and started these threads:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
He was banned and came back as Udontknowme and started these threads:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
He was banned and came back as kingswillquiver and started these threads:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
He was banned and came back as antiopression and started this thread:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
and now after being banned yet again, he's come back as exposethosesecrets and started these threads:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Do we really need more? From the same guy who's been banned a half-dozen times from ATS?
make it a bakers half dozen
reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 07:13 PM by AllSeeingI
Thanks for starting this thread back up.
I am outraged that it was shut down with the activity it was showing.
Which makes me suspicious as to why it was shut down.
The bickering in that thread was not as bad as in countless other STILL ACTIVE threads.
The mods JUMPED THE GUN on this one.
No moderation. Simply shut down. = Epic fail.
reply to post by Chadwickus
I believe you forgot This important Chemtrail thread:
Chemtrails Are "Small Reflecting Particles" In The Upper Atmosphere.
and
Chemtrails Flights Exposed - Evergreen Aviation (A CIA Front)
also check this :
Council on Foreign Relations on Planetary Geoengineering: “Add more small reflecting particles in the upper part of the atmosphere”
reply to post by weedwhacker
Who do you think you are?
QUIT TRYING TO CLOSE THE ARGUMENT AS IF YOU HAVE THE FINAL SAY.
This debate is FAR from over.
"Period, end of story"? : Again trying to close the debate. >sigh<
I think we should not assume that the purpose of the CHEMTRAILS is to fall on us or to ground level.
I believe the chemtrails are designed to be at very high altitudes 25,000-40,000 ft MSL to create blankets of clouds in an attempt to reduce the albedo and have an affect on the climate or climate change rate.
We most stop spreading this myth that CHEMTRAILS are designed to fall on humans to somehow infect them. Their purpose is most likely something else, but using a substance which could increase rates of certain diseases.
[edit on (10/21/09) by AllSeeingI]
I am outraged that it was shut down with the activity it was showing.
Which makes me suspicious as to why it was shut down.
The bickering in that thread was not as bad as in countless other STILL ACTIVE threads.
The mods JUMPED THE GUN on this one.
No moderation. Simply shut down. = Epic fail.
reply to post by Chadwickus
I believe you forgot This important Chemtrail thread:
Chemtrails Are "Small Reflecting Particles" In The Upper Atmosphere.
and
Chemtrails Flights Exposed - Evergreen Aviation (A CIA Front)
also check this :
Council on Foreign Relations on Planetary Geoengineering: “Add more small reflecting particles in the upper part of the atmosphere”
reply to post by weedwhacker
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by Hazelnut
Obviously the guy has something he thinks is important to say.
No, that's the problem...what "he" is trying to "say" is nonsense.
period.
look at "his" links....done.
Who do you think you are?
QUIT TRYING TO CLOSE THE ARGUMENT AS IF YOU HAVE THE FINAL SAY.
This debate is FAR from over.
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by smurfy
Point is:
WHAT people see is WAY HIGH UP!!! Therefore, they are contrails. Period. End of story.
NOTHING "sprayed" that high up is going to 'fall to Earth' below it!!! The atmosphere just doesn't work that way!
EVERY example, whether on YouTube or some ridiculous 'conspiracy chemtrail' site, shows CONTRAILS. That is it...they don't 'fall to Earth'...no one has EVER seen that...they are nothing but ice crystals, formed due to the passage of jet airplanes, into artifical cloids, the types usually called 'cirrus' clouds, because they are ICE crystals, at those altitudes. They travel with the prevailing winds, at those levels....they do NOT fall down onto you!!!
IF you think they will 'fall' on you, then please, by all means, post videos showing this!!!! Perhaps, then, there can be some so-called "proof"...but, until....
"Period, end of story"? : Again trying to close the debate. >sigh<
I think we should not assume that the purpose of the CHEMTRAILS is to fall on us or to ground level.
I believe the chemtrails are designed to be at very high altitudes 25,000-40,000 ft MSL to create blankets of clouds in an attempt to reduce the albedo and have an affect on the climate or climate change rate.
We most stop spreading this myth that CHEMTRAILS are designed to fall on humans to somehow infect them. Their purpose is most likely something else, but using a substance which could increase rates of certain diseases.
[edit on (10/21/09) by AllSeeingI]
reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 09:08 PM by AllSeeingI
Here is the discussion at infowars:
CFR on Planetary Geoengineering: “Add more small reflecting particles in the upper part of the atmosphere”
and the link to the PDF: Unilateral Geoengineering
Non-technical Briefing Notes for a Workshop At the Council on Foreign Relations
where-in it says:
"There are a variety of strategies, such as injecting light-reflecting particles into the stratosphere, that might be used to modify the Earth’s atmosphere-ocean system in an attempt to slow or reverse global warming. All of these "geoengineering" strategies involve great uncertainty and carry significant risks. They may not work as expected, imposing large unintended consequences on the climate system."
WIKI: Stratosphere
Commercial airliners cruise at around 28,000-39,000 ft in the lower stratosphere. Any similar aircraft such as a 747 has a max altitude at around 45,000 ft. This means that aircraft could be used to "inject light-reflecting particles into the stratosphere."
also: CFR.ORG: Geoengineering: Workshop on Unilateral Planetary Scale Geoengineering
It is such documents which lead me to believe that the purpose of chemtrails is to engineer the climate.
[edit on (10/21/09) by AllSeeingI]
and the link to the PDF: Unilateral Geoengineering
Non-technical Briefing Notes for a Workshop At the Council on Foreign Relations
where-in it says:
"There are a variety of strategies, such as injecting light-reflecting particles into the stratosphere, that might be used to modify the Earth’s atmosphere-ocean system in an attempt to slow or reverse global warming. All of these "geoengineering" strategies involve great uncertainty and carry significant risks. They may not work as expected, imposing large unintended consequences on the climate system."
WIKI: Stratosphere
Commercial airliners cruise at around 28,000-39,000 ft in the lower stratosphere. Any similar aircraft such as a 747 has a max altitude at around 45,000 ft. This means that aircraft could be used to "inject light-reflecting particles into the stratosphere."
also: CFR.ORG: Geoengineering: Workshop on Unilateral Planetary Scale Geoengineering
It is such documents which lead me to believe that the purpose of chemtrails is to engineer the climate.
[edit on (10/21/09) by AllSeeingI]
reply posted on 21-10-2009 @ 11:01 PM by AllSeeingI
It seems the OP has been banned. Sigh. Never the less this is a very worthy thread.
I have been surfing the web and came across this:
National Center for Atmospheric Research: "The geo-engineering proposal attracting the most attention is the one that involves injecting a sulfur dioxide (SO2) aerosol into the atmosphere as a way of reflecting more sunlight back into space."
Sulfur Dioxide
also
Geo-Engineering Could Save the Planet … and in the Process Sacrifice the World
[edit on (10/21/09) by AllSeeingI]
I have been surfing the web and came across this:
National Center for Atmospheric Research: "The geo-engineering proposal attracting the most attention is the one that involves injecting a sulfur dioxide (SO2) aerosol into the atmosphere as a way of reflecting more sunlight back into space."
Sulfur Dioxide
also
Geo-Engineering Could Save the Planet … and in the Process Sacrifice the World
[edit on (10/21/09) by AllSeeingI]
reply posted on 22-10-2009 @ 12:27 AM by danman23
Originally posted by AllSeeingI
It seems the OP has been banned. Sigh. Never the less this is a very worthy thread.
I have been surfing the web and came across this:
National Center for Atmospheric Research: "The geo-engineering proposal attracting the most attention is the one that involves injecting a sulfur dioxide (SO2) aerosol into the atmosphere as a way of reflecting more sunlight back into space."
Sulfur Dioxide
also
Geo-Engineering Could Save the Planet … and in the Process Sacrifice the World
[edit on (10/21/09) by AllSeeingI]
Thats messed up he got banned, one of his threads is on the homepage now.. haha.
Good links btw.. hadnt heard of the sulfur dioxide deal before.
reply posted on 22-10-2009 @ 07:36 AM by AllSeeingI
reply to post by JohnnyR
There is definitely some testing if not something more comprehensive going on with aircraft up in the stratosphere.
Assume top scientists have information which they have shared with top government officials. They are dead SCARED by the info: global catastrophe due to climate change.
Something must be done. ANYTHING. So they hurriedly start hashing up plans to "correct" the imbalance. Things like GIANT DISKS launched into space to act as solar shades. Ideas like ocean sprayers which suck ocean water up and shoot it into the sky to increase clouds. ALSO like injecting cloud-like reflective materials like aluminum, barium, or sulfur dioxide into the stratosphere to create massive sky-filling clouds in an attempt to adjust the climate change.
If the situation was incredibly dire.... would they tell us? Would they inform us that the climate imbalance is so severe that we must use methods, some of which may cause health problems because we skipped the test phase and jumped strait into action because the situation is so dire.
This is my hypothesis as to the chemtrail situation.
There is definitely some testing if not something more comprehensive going on with aircraft up in the stratosphere.
Assume top scientists have information which they have shared with top government officials. They are dead SCARED by the info: global catastrophe due to climate change.
Something must be done. ANYTHING. So they hurriedly start hashing up plans to "correct" the imbalance. Things like GIANT DISKS launched into space to act as solar shades. Ideas like ocean sprayers which suck ocean water up and shoot it into the sky to increase clouds. ALSO like injecting cloud-like reflective materials like aluminum, barium, or sulfur dioxide into the stratosphere to create massive sky-filling clouds in an attempt to adjust the climate change.
If the situation was incredibly dire.... would they tell us? Would they inform us that the climate imbalance is so severe that we must use methods, some of which may cause health problems because we skipped the test phase and jumped strait into action because the situation is so dire.
This is my hypothesis as to the chemtrail situation.
reply posted on 22-10-2009 @ 07:54 AM by Chadwickus
reply to post by AllSeeingI
As has been pointed out to you before, anything done in the upper atmosphere won't be done by typical aircraft.
Therefore ruling out anything typically known as chemtrails
Even the stratosphere is really pushing it.
So what are they using?
Oh and a nice picture showing the different layers of the stratosphere.
Aircraft cruise at about 9km (30,000ft), which as you can see is a long way from the stratosphere:
[edit on 22/10/09 by Chadwickus]
As has been pointed out to you before, anything done in the upper atmosphere won't be done by typical aircraft.
Therefore ruling out anything typically known as chemtrails
Even the stratosphere is really pushing it.
So what are they using?
Oh and a nice picture showing the different layers of the stratosphere.
Aircraft cruise at about 9km (30,000ft), which as you can see is a long way from the stratosphere:
[edit on 22/10/09 by Chadwickus]
reply posted on 22-10-2009 @ 08:02 AM by AllSeeingI
reply to post by Chadwickus
Actually the stratosphere starts around 30,000 ft-35,000 ft. It is not a set number and varies with conditions. Thus commercial airliners types: 747, and/or military tankers and the like would be right in range for this operation.
Wiki: Stratosphere
PS: When I say commercial airliner types, I DO NOT MEAN that I believe commercial airliners are involved. The program could not be so comprehensive as to include all or even a majority of commercial airliners without word getting out. It is more likely being perpetrated by a small fleet of test aircraft either military or government contract airliners.
[edit on (10/22/09) by AllSeeingI]
Actually the stratosphere starts around 30,000 ft-35,000 ft. It is not a set number and varies with conditions. Thus commercial airliners types: 747, and/or military tankers and the like would be right in range for this operation.
Wiki: Stratosphere
PS: When I say commercial airliner types, I DO NOT MEAN that I believe commercial airliners are involved. The program could not be so comprehensive as to include all or even a majority of commercial airliners without word getting out. It is more likely being perpetrated by a small fleet of test aircraft either military or government contract airliners.
[edit on (10/22/09) by AllSeeingI]
reply posted on 22-10-2009 @ 08:19 AM by Chadwickus
reply to post by AllSeeingI
So, what aircraft can reach these heights?
I don't think a 747 could reach 50,000 feet.
And also what craft do you believe are operating in the upper atmosphere, which is space shuttle height and above?
So, what aircraft can reach these heights?
I don't think a 747 could reach 50,000 feet.
And also what craft do you believe are operating in the upper atmosphere, which is space shuttle height and above?
reply posted on 22-10-2009 @ 08:25 AM by AllSeeingI
reply to post by Chadwickus
30,000 ft? Most commercial airliners can easily get there. 747 max alt is listed as 45,100 ft.
So any common airliner type would work. You are confusing what im saying.
Injecting particulate or vapor into the lower stratosphere. Which begins around 30,000 ft. Could be done with any common jet type. But is most likely being done with 747 or KC135 or similar aircraft.
30,000 ft? Most commercial airliners can easily get there. 747 max alt is listed as 45,100 ft.
So any common airliner type would work. You are confusing what im saying.
Injecting particulate or vapor into the lower stratosphere. Which begins around 30,000 ft. Could be done with any common jet type. But is most likely being done with 747 or KC135 or similar aircraft.
reply posted on 22-10-2009 @ 08:45 AM by Chadwickus
reply to post by AllSeeingI
The stratosphere starts at about 65,000 feet not 30,000 feet.
Also the KC-135's ceiling is 50,000 feet.
The B2 can get up to 65,000 feet I think, there's not much else that could get that high, besides the U2 etc.
The stratosphere starts at about 65,000 feet not 30,000 feet.
Also the KC-135's ceiling is 50,000 feet.
The B2 can get up to 65,000 feet I think, there's not much else that could get that high, besides the U2 etc.
reply posted on 22-10-2009 @ 08:53 AM by AllSeeingI
reply to post by Chadwickus
No the stratosphere starts around 30,000 ft. Look here:
WIKI: "The stratosphere is situated between about 10 km (6 miles) and 50 km (31 miles) altitude above the surface at moderate latitudes, while at the poles it starts at about 8 km (5 miles) altitude."
So it begins about 6miles. Which is at 31680ft. Commercial airliners cruise between 28000 and 42000 feet. So that includes a part of the stratosphere.
A quote from wiki: "Commercial airliners typically cruise at altitudes of 9–12 km in temperate latitudes, in the lower reaches of the stratosphere."
Yes the stratosphere goes up to around 50km. But if I say something is being operated in the stratosphere... that could include something flying anywhere from 30,000 ft up to 50km.
So lets move on from aruging this definition. Its getting us sidetracked. What did you think about the sulfur dioxide injection article, CHADWICKUS?
[edit on (10/22/09) by AllSeeingI]
No the stratosphere starts around 30,000 ft. Look here:
WIKI: "The stratosphere is situated between about 10 km (6 miles) and 50 km (31 miles) altitude above the surface at moderate latitudes, while at the poles it starts at about 8 km (5 miles) altitude."
So it begins about 6miles. Which is at 31680ft. Commercial airliners cruise between 28000 and 42000 feet. So that includes a part of the stratosphere.
A quote from wiki: "Commercial airliners typically cruise at altitudes of 9–12 km in temperate latitudes, in the lower reaches of the stratosphere."
Yes the stratosphere goes up to around 50km. But if I say something is being operated in the stratosphere... that could include something flying anywhere from 30,000 ft up to 50km.
So lets move on from aruging this definition. Its getting us sidetracked. What did you think about the sulfur dioxide injection article, CHADWICKUS?
[edit on (10/22/09) by AllSeeingI]
reply posted on 22-10-2009 @ 09:03 AM by Chadwickus
reply to post by AllSeeingI
It appears that we're both right, it depends on the lattitude.
As for sulfur dioxide injection, it would seem it is one of many theories being bandied about.
All it confirms is that it's being studied.
I should also add that it's a popular theory because it's proven to have worked in the past, whenever a large volcano has errupted, the globe cooled by a few degrees.
[edit on 22/10/09 by Chadwickus]
It appears that we're both right, it depends on the lattitude.
As for sulfur dioxide injection, it would seem it is one of many theories being bandied about.
All it confirms is that it's being studied.
I should also add that it's a popular theory because it's proven to have worked in the past, whenever a large volcano has errupted, the globe cooled by a few degrees.
[edit on 22/10/09 by Chadwickus]
reply posted on 22-10-2009 @ 09:07 AM by AllSeeingI
reply to post by Chadwickus
Yes we were both correct.
And yes it does confirm it is being studied.
But dont you think they would try out a couple of test flights? Scientific flights operated out of a university maybe. Maybe that is all we are seeing.
Yes we were both correct.
And yes it does confirm it is being studied.
But dont you think they would try out a couple of test flights? Scientific flights operated out of a university maybe. Maybe that is all we are seeing.
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