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My search for the 1990 USAFA Chemtrail document

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posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 03:58 PM
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Today, I went to the library to review the Chemtrail document that I discovered and spoke about in the Chemtrail proof! 1990 US Air Force document!
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I would have posted my information in that thread, but it was prematurely closed
(unfairly I might add, could have moderated it before shutting it down )

So anyway, here is the title of the book



Title Chemtrails, Chemistry 131 manual, fall 1991: course policies and laboratory manual
Author United States Air Force Academy. Dept. of Chemistry
Publisher Dept. of Chemistry, U.S. Air Force Academy, 1991
Length 232 pages
Subjects Chemistry

books.google.com...:+Chemistry

So, like is said, I went to the library. It's the local university, and I found that they
had the book through the website WorldCat.

Amazingly, library showed they had the book, but it wasn't there!! They were as baffled as I was. We did a physical search for it, and the spot where it should have
been was just an empty hole.

I debated before posting the original thread, that maybe I should wait until I had book/microfiche in hand, and then post about it. But I could use some help. That is the reason for this thread.

So the reference desk helped me to do an interlibrary request, as there data showed that 50 depository libraries had it. I am waiting to hear the results.

I would like to hear from my friends in Santa Fe, NM to see if they had any luck finding it at the New Mexico State Library.

Again, this thread is not to debate whether chemtrails exist or not. It is to document the search for the missing book, and if found, post the info contained within it.



[edit on 20-10-2009 by exposethosesecrets]




posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 04:48 PM
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Hi Expose,
I'm glad you have started a new thread on the subject. It's really the fact that a cocktail of these toxic metals were ever even proposed for use at all as recently as 1990. Chemtrails apart, Silver Nitrate is used in cloud seeding. Barium Sulphate was to be used in some of the documents you posted. Barium Nitrate is toxic, who knows what mixtures of all this "stuff" could produce. I'll look for more info.



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 05:05 PM
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Thanks smurfy. It sorta feels anti-climactic. When everyone starts keeling over, I can say that I at least tried to warn people.



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 05:07 PM
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The good news is, I spent hours in the governments documents section.

I found oodles of info, and will be forming threads from this info. But now, my concern is to find this book, before they clean it off the shelves. Friggen government scum.


I can tell you I felt like I was being watched at the library.

[edit on 20-10-2009 by exposethosesecrets]



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 05:19 PM
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I found this interesting forum...with the header story knocked out, but there is a lot of info in the posts below it, (ignore the blue link title)
astrology.yahoo.com...
I will add any more links I find to this post for as long as I can edit.

This link is about Barium ingestion effects as to Swine flu effects,
www.youtube.com...

The Welsbach patent, (includes the use of jet engines)
www.scribd.com...




[edit on 20-10-2009 by smurfy]



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 05:37 PM
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Originally posted by smurfy
I found this interesting forum...with the header story knocked out, but there is a lot of info in the posts below it, (ignore the blue link title)
astrology.yahoo.com...
I will add any more links I find to this post for as long as I can edit.

[edit on 20-10-2009 by smurfy]


Interesting read.
Thanks for bringing it forward.



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 10:38 PM
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You can either buy it here.. or if you have a membership you can view it looks like... catalogue.nla.gov.au...



posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 10:56 PM
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posted on Oct, 20 2009 @ 11:09 PM
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Sorry for multiple posts... but...

Here is a quote from a forum post back in 2001..
"I think I can solve this puzzle, which has a very mundane solution. "Chemtrails" is the happy-camper name of the official government/military chemist's bulletin. Last year I corresponded with a Dr. Donald Bird there, who was absolutely disgusted to discover what I was writing to him about. And I was in the end quite satisfied that he was genuinely annoyed to be associated with this topic, and that indeed the bulletin is exactly what he said it was. I read a couple: boring beyond belief and nothing to do with chemtrails. I did discover one thing though- gov.mil chemists actually have the software power to draw a line through their name in your email address book so you can't pester them again. I thought that was pretty funny too. "

source

I'll tell you what though... There is something going on with the Chemtrail thing. Here is a pic of the skies above my house last year:



I have a few theories to what that could be using them for. Especially if there really is barium in the particles.



posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 01:53 AM
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Great, more info. S&F


I saw your thred was closed, you see the surten bunch of people gets the chemtrail threads closed by derailing and talking crap alot of times..

'Job Well Done' for them, they get bonuses for each thread I think !

I have noticed that the Sun dont shine thru thin cloud layers, could that be the result of the Barium or is the sun getting dimmer, so they use the chems to enhance the brightness of the sun so that it appears to shine as bright as usual ?? It is brighter than before, but you get my drift ! ?



posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 08:45 AM
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thanks for posting that. While I am on the other side of this argument, (they are con trails IMHO) I am not closed minded to factual evidence. This appears to be a dead end for the concrete proof of chemtrails.

I guess a new approach is needed.



posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 09:10 AM
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I remember seeing this thread, I did browse through the first few posts and intended to go back.

Is it so touchy a subject for me to ask why it was closed? seems to be happening way to often IMO, but I don't know the circumstances to make much of a judgement.

If this book is out there, and offers up proof, and also if it has vanished from Library shelves because of talking about it, then there is an obvious answer to my question, one which has been a little obvious for some time, and only serves to push discoveries like this into hiding, that is until no matter what they do to stop the information, it cant be stopped, may sound cryptic, but I am sure a lot will understand what I mean.

I see these things also in the sky, few weeks ago they seemed to disappear for about a week but they are back now, even my wife made a comment about them when they where no longer there, about how clear and much more blue there was in the sky, alas it didn't last.



posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 09:36 AM
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Originally posted by ChemBreather

Great, more info. S&F




I saw your thred was closed, you see the surten bunch of people gets the chemtrail threads closed by derailing and talking crap alot of times..


And how many chemtrail threads have been closed?

These are all open

Chemtrail Chemicals Patents from Hughes Aircraft
North Texas "chemtrails"
MAJOR CHEMTRAILS IN OKLAHOMA TODAY! but why?
Suggestion for chemtrails
HARRP And Chemtrail info
always chemtrails
Chemtrails at night
A Connection between Chemtrails and Foil Hats
Influenza found in chemtrails, cause of flu?
Contrails and microwaves
Chemtrails - Serious Question
Chemtrails, help me understand them.
Chemtrails:Get the Truth!!!
The latest "chemtrail" news
Just saw 'chemtrails' being made.
Chemtrial/Contrail Experiment
Chemtrail or wierd contrail?
Chemtrails a Cure/Antidote?????!!!!!!!
Chemtrails Myth or Menace?
AMERICAS UNDER ATTACK! Chemtrails over NJ
Chemtrail Technologicaly Improving?
New Chemtrails Smell! Hevaey Chemtrail sprying over Michigan!! URGENT!!!
Chemtrail debate
Chemtrail Question
Chemtrails/Contrails, cool picture reguardless!!!!
NORAD and Chemtrails
chemtrails just weather mods
Just Witnessed Chemtrails For First Time
Chemtrails Are Good For Us.
Painting the sky..(pics)
Chemtrails: Our Biggest Threat
Chemtrail In Seattle?
Chemtrail ?? (picture)
The Chemtrail Hoax
Chemtrail proof
Chemtrails -- They NEVER Stop spraying!
Cork Screw Contrails
Aircraft contrails
NASA image shows intricate web of chemtrails over the US
A PATTERN NOTICED IN CHEMTRAILS!!!
wtf? tube clouds? maybe chemtrails or just strange happenings.
Are these chemtrials or contrails?
Round 1. NephraTari V EnronOutrunHomerun: Chemtrails
Increased airplane activity, Contrails and Chemtrails in Sweden
What aircraft gives off the ringed contrails?
The world fights back against chemtrails
Chemtrails, Nye County, NV, 2-8-05
Chemtrail videos
Chemtrails over Wa state
another chemtrail thread not really but kinda
some chemtrail pictures from today in upstate NY
Can we finally settle this Chemtrail thing?
Chemtrails Don't Exist? Haha, Explain This.
Monday - Friday, Chemtrails. (images)
Chemtrails Confirmed
Chem Trails in your neck of the woods?
Chemtrails
Are Chemtrails making you sick?
Con/chemtrails from space
This is not a chemtrail! Atmospheric Phenomenen explained
Operation cloverleaf - Chemtrails?
Chemtrail Science?
Anyone Know of a Good Antidote for Chemtrails?
Report Chemtrails.
Chemtrail pics?
Chemtrails whats the real purpose
Chemtrail pics 11-10-06
is this a chemtrail/contrail very strange
Chemtrail Chemicals Patents from Hughes Aircraft
Canada dept. of def. aircraft engineer reveals how he worked on chemtrail equip. W/picture proof.
When did chemtrails start?
southern ca-chemtrail sraying in progress
NBC news report on chemtrails!!!
Youtube video of chemtrails
Chemtrails awareness inscreased.
I have Photo Evidence of chemtrail activity! pics are working!
Chemtrail photos: ATS report

Shall I continue?

How many of the bloody threads do you want?



'Job Well Done' for them, they get bonuses for each thread I think !


Come on, grow up, this bs is wearing pretty thin if you ask me.

If you believe that what I was saying that that aforementioned thread, was off topic, why didn't you report it?

I was addressing the documents presented and the mis-interpretation of said documents. That is not disinfo, that is not trying to get the thread closed and it certainly is not CRAP.

Why you can't except that other people have a differing opinion to you is bewildering, how do you cope in the real world?


[edit on 21/10/09 by Chadwickus]



posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 09:41 AM
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I see your point Chadwickus, I will read those documents
with more scrutiny and I agree, more discussion is needed.



posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 10:30 AM
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How many of those thread received over 50 flags. ZERO!

Interesting to note, Intrepid closed thread right before 200 posts.

How many threads have you had closed, even when you call people
idiots, loons, etc. ZERO.

Are you the one that starred the Intrepid for closing that
thread. This forum reeks of coverup.

[edit on 21-10-2009 by exposethosesecrets]



posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 10:38 AM
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dude, not everything is a conspiracy! Here is an idea, contact Intrepid and talk with him about it. Rationally. It might work, unless he is one of.........................them.
muhahahahaha!



posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 10:41 AM
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They have bugger all flags because they're mostly old threads and were posted before ATS had a flagging system.

Here's some more up to date threads:


Secret Aviation+Geo-engineering. Mil+Civ. Chemtrails. Hidden weather control+aviation history?
Chemtrails Are "Small Reflecting Particles" In The Upper Atmosphere.
CHEMTRAILS viewed using Infrared.
Could chemtrails be wrong?
Chemtrails not adding up, illuminati and weather control is an outrage.
Chemtrails over Norway again......
Anyone document March 31st Chemtrail over Sydney?
Metallica's new Music video now with, Zombies, Chemtrails, and Conspiracys
Chemtrail Pilots ?
Hollywood Does Chemtrails (movie) Starring Anne Heche
unknown aerial phenomena and chemtrails in sky
My Concerns Reguarding Chemtrails (ie. Weather Modification Programs).
Chemtrails above Germany!
Chemtrails Proof On National News!
ChemTrails In Oswego, NY
Reduction in Chemtrails
Saint Cheetah's theory on chemtrails
The Ultimate CHEMTRUTH: Chemtrails, Morgellons Disease
Very weird phenomenon!!! (chemtrails??)
Question about Chemtrails
Contrail/Chemtrail Observation That Needs An Answer
The UK Ministry of Defense replies on the subject of chemtrails....
ATTENTION EVERYONE: Swine Flu being spread by chemtrails.
Chemtrails (Contrails) reason for swine flu?
MSM Vid (WMD, Flu's, ChemTrails,Gov Exp,Baxter)
No Chemtrails in London since 2 weeks before Swine Flu..?
Chemtrails Tampere Finland. Confirm please. (pics)
Chemtrail believers, I challenge you to debunk contrail science
Possible Chemtrails Watertown, NY PICS
Chemtrails over Singapore?
FAA Confirms Chemtrails
Chemtrails and Black Helicopters over Colorado May 12 2009
Chemtrails and the connection to Alzheimers Disease
Prince discusses chemtrails and Obama...
Chemtrails, Carbon Tax, and Sickness
Witnessed a Chemtrail in the Making today...
The Chemtrail Phenomenon
What is all this chemtrail hype?
Dog goes postal at "Chemtrails"?
The most likely cause of Morgellons, and it may not be from Chemtrails!
Contrail or Chemtrail? Photo - you decide!
Morgellons Disease...(whats really in chemtrails)
UFO's around chemtrail? plane
Chemtrails over Washington DC?
Psychic intuitive ( Douglas James Cottrell ) examines chemtrails
Chemtrail Xs over Bonnaroo
Chemtrail Debunk of an Idiot
Evidence for chemtrails? You decide
Chemtrails, keeping you in line.
Stanford Environmental Law Dissertation points to Chemtrails/Geoengineering
Monsanto....disease's....chemtrails to reduce economic burden of unproductive workers
quick chemtrails question?
UFO captured on camera in a cross formation Con/chemtrail.
Chemtrail Thread: How common are contrails?
Chemtrail weapon, the firsts ?
Chemtrails: Clouds of Death
Chemtrails Creeping Into MSM...
fluoride and chemtrail connection? you tell me!
ufos studying a chemtrail







[edit on 21/10/09 by Chadwickus]



posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 10:44 AM
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Continues....

Chemtrails Comercial, Sick stuff.
THE CHEMTRAIL RAIN - Biological warfare tested against a small US town
A chemtrail being sprayed by a curious circular aircraft. Colorado, 2008
12.160 Member 'Luggnutz' (aka Brian) talks about CHEMTRAILS on the Derry Brownfield Show
German Army Caught Spraying Chemtrails.
Chemtrails being sprayed by a circular craft
Strange clouds, a rainbow and chemtrails
Chemtrails Photo and Research Thread!!!!
Chemtrails and sodium fluoride.
Chemtrails and Weather Warfare Validated by History Channel
Chemtrails being produced through nozzle at aft of jet engine?
Chemtrails: Document signed by Canada and USA about Weather Mod.
Former Belgian Mayor Crusades Against Chemtrails
Chemtrails Photo and Research Thread Part 2
BBC Exposes Government *Video* Chemtrail Experiments
Are meteorologists lying about Chemtrails?
Our air is poisoned, Time to demand a government statement on chemtrails!
Chemtrailes don't exist
Chemtrail Debunkers are Losing.
the Freeman Perspective:Chemtrails, dying trees and birds.
Contrail/ Chemtrail Research Thread
I have not seen a Chemtrail for weeks now - Sky is getting deeper blue once more
One of these days, chemtrails, 9/11 truths will show !
A few questions for Chemtrailers
Who turned off the Chemtrails?
Chemtrail activity non-existent in Upstate New York...
DARK chemtrails now????
Admission of a new Chemtrail project by NASA.
Does Aerosol Forcing = Chemtrails?
NAVY and NASA - The REAL "Chemtrails"
Chemtrails. Why is the movie Toxic Sky BANNED in the USA ?
Chemtrail Pilots Take Weekends OFF
The smoking gun - there are LESS chemtrails in cold winter!
Have you seen any chemtrails lately?
16000 dead birds in Idaho, 20000 in Utah, Chemtrail canary in the coal mine?

 



Originally posted by exposethosesecrets
Are you the one that starred the Intrepid for closing that
thread. This forum reeks of coverup.


Nope but were you one of the two people who starred Hazelnut's off topic post after it got the off topic banner placed on it???





[edit on 21/10/09 by Chadwickus]



posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 10:59 AM
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Well, the library called and said I have a copy of
the document coming, so we'll see, won't we.



posted on Oct, 21 2009 @ 11:01 AM
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Well, when Steve was on ATS calling himself stompk, he started this chemtrail thread:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
He was banned and came back as cutbothways and started these threads:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
He was banned and came back as Manasseh and started these threads:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
He was banned and came back as doctordoom and started these threads:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
He was banned and came back as Udontknowme and started these threads:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
He was banned and came back as kingswillquiver and started these threads:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
He was banned and came back as antiopression and started this thread:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
and now after being banned yet again, he's come back as exposethosesecrets and started these threads:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Do we really need more? From the same guy who's been banned a half-dozen times from ATS?



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