...no evil in any soul...how could this be?, page 1
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reply posted on 20-10-2009 @ 03:19 PM by LeoVirgo
reply to post by andy1033



And that could very well be so andy, thanks for responding...

I guess through psychology, I have adapted to the thoughts that we 'learn' from our environments. It just makes sense to me that if someone seems to be 'scum' that they had help from others and their world view point to become that 'scum'. To think some are just born 'bad' is a far reach for me, but I wont say that anything is impossible.

I know as I was younger, I adapted some pride and greed growing up. These were learned behaviors from my surroundings. With age and experiences, I was blessed to have the time and patients to look at myself, judge myself, determine what I did and didnt like, and how to work on myself to become 'better'. But in who's eyes right? Just my own, of course, is all I can claim. But I do feel that I did become a better person and I overcame some of those darker traits the environment seemed to of influenced on me.

Mabey truly the soul is not evil...but when it comes into the flesh, there is tendency for it to 'seem' as such.

Your thoughts defiantly bring another viewpoint to all of this! Curious as to see where this goes, if anywhere...


reply posted on 20-10-2009 @ 03:30 PM by andy1033
I understand the environment thing, but i also know that people have been trying to frame me for 17 years, desperate for it to happen. So they must of thought i would do something wrong which i have not.

I seen from primary school upto all through life how bad people can be, and i always think most people really do not know whats rigth and whats wrong. This is why people needed religion, and its upto them if they are to listen to them. I would not like to see what creatures humans would have been without someone saying something is above saying we should not do this and that as its evil.

I have lived and seen only the extreme of how bad people are, so maybe from my experience i don't do them justice as a whole, but i think i am pretty right on.

Only you people now yourself, which you are, but i know from having people desperate for me to do anything wrong, for all this time, that there must of been a reason i did not, and i have all my life been passive and will not do anything to anyone.

The thing that gets me, is today people that get government and police jobs have all this tech and can do evil without ever having to look in peoples eyes. Like how you see with american fighter pilots do not care if they blow up a wedding in some arab country. The act is pure evil, but how they do not understand its wrong, is beyond me.

Taking orders, in ww2 was shown by the nuremberg trial, that it is not an excuse, so why is it today, people in positions in power saying we are just taking orders.

No evil is more than just something people choose to do, for some reason they do not have empathy for people, and there victims.

But like everyone says today, who the hell cares.


reply posted on 20-10-2009 @ 03:38 PM by LeoVirgo
reply to post by Kandinsky



Well noted Kandindky...

What I find so strange though...is MANY NDE's that I have read on DO NOT follow the person's belief system. Many seem very surprised at the experiences of their own NDE.

This would also fall into the lines of 'OBE' not being evidence to anything, going by what you posted...as these things not having evidence. But I have a story for you...

My mother, who has been bed ridden for well over 3 years now....has experienced both. Even though her NDE had a much more interesting story....her OBE suggested some truth. My father had been looking for a certain envelope for several weeks. It was important that he find this, it was causing him much stress. My mother, who at the time was not ever out of her bed, had a OBE in a dream. She saw the envelope in her dream...but she didnt really pay much attention to it in the dream, for her main interests was that she was 'walking' around her house...she had not been able to walk in years and was in the knowing she would never walk again...so for her, the 'walking' was the awesome thing for her.

But when she woke, and thought of herself walking around the house...she remembered seeing the envelope my father had been searching for. She said she noted to herself how happy my father would be to know that she had found what he needed. Low and behold, it was found exactly where she told him she saw it in her dream. There was no way she could of known this....she hadnt been in that part of the home in years.

So I tend to allow my mind to stay open to all things....



reply posted on 20-10-2009 @ 03:42 PM by LeoVirgo
reply to post by interestedalways



Hi doll! Hope all is well!

I have not seen that movie...Im so behind on the movie thing. Will have to be sure to watch it though.


reply posted on 20-10-2009 @ 03:48 PM by LeoVirgo
reply to post by andy1033



All I can suggest to you andy about these types of people is that they believe they are doing right...even if its just for their own selves, which again comes back to Earthly traits, like greed and pride (IMPO).

We feel like we are truly separate....having our own bodies, our own thoughts, our own feelings. This separate experiences in itself gives way to the right to be prideful, greedy, selfish. But could they just be blinded to their most inner core truth and being...and that through the experience of flesh, they are in a sense lacking love of their own pure self. It sounds like you are dealing with a group that are going along similar guidelines in a thought. Could someone of not programmed them in a way to think such things....could the world and their surrounding environment be the cause of what they do, and they have been desensitized to any empathy of others through others? Even though they are acting on behaviors that seem 'evil' I still struggle to say that they were born that way....

But again, I wont say anything is impossible....


reply posted on 20-10-2009 @ 04:13 PM by Maxmars
reply to post by LeoVirgo



My own NDE was quite different.

Yup. I said it. And I did. Twice.

I firmly believe that we construct the experience.

It is real... but it is a function of our mind insisting on a set of familiar parameters for interpreting the act of 'existing.'

As for the spiritual, I do not deny it. It is there.

But such topics are not to be shared casually. It is too complicated and not a subject for blogging..., unless you want attention or something.


reply posted on 20-10-2009 @ 04:22 PM by LeoVirgo
reply to post by KennyRJR



Very interesting thoughts! Imagine though, your very first incarnation....would you suspected that first incarnation to of been born evil....or with that first life experience, karma was begun for you, hence you come back reaping what you've sown....thoughts?



reply posted on 20-10-2009 @ 04:28 PM by LeoVirgo
reply to post by Maxmars



Thanks for sharing thoughts!

I think one should be sure before they share, they share out of concern that many people are seeking truth...and with the thought that every single little smidgen of experience may be a key to what is truth. I think there may be soe that share things for attention...but I also believe that there are some that share our of the knowing that many others are curious of such things. Sharing is caring, impo.


reply posted on 20-10-2009 @ 04:30 PM by KennyRJR
Originally posted by LeoVirgo
reply to
post by KennyRJR



Very interesting thoughts! Imagine though, your very first incarnation....would you suspected that first incarnation to of been born evil....or with that first life experience, karma was begun for you, hence you come back reaping what you've sown....thoughts?


Who knows. Maybe we never have a start or an end.


reply posted on 20-10-2009 @ 04:36 PM by LeoVirgo
reply to post by double_frick



You summed up my personal thoughts....

Thanks so much for adding! I was wondering if anyone foster's this hope (I see it as hope, not sure what it really is).

A trust in everything having a purpose.
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