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reply posted on 20-10-2009 @ 02:10 PM by EnlightenUp
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I'm shy about tossing around terms like "holographic universe" and such but yes, technically speaking one could consider each individual to be in an "alternate reality" because if they were not, there would only be one person.

Hmmm. I'm not sure why but your post just sparked something for me even though I've encountered the ideas before. I've got to follow it deeper.

You made a little too much sense actually.


reply posted on 20-10-2009 @ 02:16 PM by InTrueFiction
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I think I definitely live in my own world. My parents always said so they lived in their own worlds too in my opinion but the fact remains they were here before me (they always had that on me ).

So I guess my answer to that question is that I think yes the world was there before me and yes regardless of that I still get to live in my own private, customized, personified, pimped world like everyone else.



reply posted on 20-10-2009 @ 02:29 PM by GypsK
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I only use the term 'holographic universe' because of lack of a better description, I'm wouldn't know how to call it otherwise.

I see it as if everyone has his own universe, one universe for one soul which contains the 'copies' of everyone else aswell, but not the 'source' of everyone else.
Only one problem with the theory, it would mean that no one else can influence your reality but you yourself, and we don't really influence someone else, we only influence their copies, or their 'shadows'.

lol, I'm glad my brainstorms gave you a spark.... now return the favor will ya


reply posted on 20-10-2009 @ 02:56 PM by EnlightenUp
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It might be a little too soon to have gotton any huge insights.

Of course I have to relate it to a virtual reality simulation ala The Matrix-- such a useful tool in these discussions.

Consider that literally there has to be a separate simulation for each individual because the world has to be computed and presented differently to each. Now, in each of those, only the avatars of the individual are present. Noone is actually present in any of them.

If the world were presented identically to two or more individuals, they would not know they were not the same person so in fact they actually would be the same one. Others would have them identically represented in their own simulations. If there were any divergence, at that very moment more than one simulation would be needed and they would cease to be the same individual.

Those two can never meet, for if they did or even had anything happen where one didn't precisely match the other, their realities would split, requiring separate simulations. However, they could see each other, but only as reflections or tilings of themselves looking at each other doing the same thing they are doing-- looking at each other. They would experience those others as themselves oblivious to the fact they are not, but by that they actually are for no distinction exists-- they are in "lock step".

But, alas, this analogy is weak in that we know that it's brains jacked into a computer interface. The problem is resolving an apparent gap between one and many where one experiences many from separate and distinct points of view while keeping each seemingly anchored within a particular first-person reference. I feel what you said is pointing in the correct direction to discover how it is actually wired up to perform that magic.

Edit:
Others do affect one's own reality because when an individual does something in their own, everyone else's is updated with the new information. Really, it's probably very much like online gaming simulation connected through a network.

[edit on 10/20/2009 by EnlightenUp]


reply posted on 20-10-2009 @ 03:18 PM by GypsK
Originally posted by EnlightenUp
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post by GypsK



Others do affect one's own reality because when an individual does something in their own, everyone else's is updated with the new information. Really, it's probably very much like online gaming simulation connected through a network.

[edit on 10/20/2009 by EnlightenUp]


ha! Never thought of that.... and it makes perfect sense



reply posted on 20-10-2009 @ 03:28 PM by Psychonaughty
reply to post by GypsK



It's a singular unity, there are no seperate worlds all that is, is the One Infinite Creator.


reply posted on 20-10-2009 @ 03:44 PM by EnlightenUp
Originally posted by Psychonaughty
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post by GypsK



It's a singular unity, there are no seperate worlds all that is, is the One Infinite Creator.


That's fine and all but noone should shy away from exploration beyond that. It doesn't really get at anything very deep to understand how a singularity is also manifest as multiplicity in the way it is. We see one something-or-other we call the creator and we see this world of dualities but the actual workings of his "machines" tend to be hidden or mysterious to his creations. What really unites the apparent extremes is well concealed, perhaps for good reason.

Knowing on that level actually answers all the birth, life and death stuff and bestows an inordinate amount of power to anyone capable of utilizing the knowledge.


reply posted on 20-10-2009 @ 04:48 PM by Psychonaughty
Originally posted by EnlightenUp
Originally posted by Psychonaughty
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post by GypsK



It's a singular unity, there are no seperate worlds all that is, is the One Infinite Creator.


That's fine and all but noone should shy away from exploration beyond that. It doesn't really get at anything very deep to understand how a singularity is also manifest as multiplicity in the way it is. We see one something-or-other we call the creator and we see this world of dualities but the actual workings of his "machines" tend to be hidden or mysterious to his creations. What really unites the apparent extremes is well concealed, perhaps for good reason.

Knowing on that level actually answers all the birth, life and death stuff and bestows an inordinate amount of power to anyone capable of utilizing the knowledge.


Think of everything as a distortion in an infinite continuum. It's only different fractals of viewing of a single being. We are all, a single being in Infinity, there is no real death nor real birth there only IS. When you die it's not over it's simply a heal, plan, and incarnation. Quite a simple complexity (oxymoron intended).


reply posted on 20-10-2009 @ 05:51 PM by Psychonaughty
reply to post by EnlightenUp



Don't you see everything is The Infinite One (The creator or "god") experiencing itself. That's the foundation of enlightenment to be "One".

Some cool stuff to check out that is quite mind blowing.

Start from book 1

www.llresearch.org...

Read atleast the first book before you start questioning.


reply posted on 20-10-2009 @ 06:20 PM by EnlightenUp
Originally posted by Psychonaughty
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post by EnlightenUp



Don't you see everything is The Infinite One (The creator or "god") experiencing itself. That's the foundation of enlightenment to be "One".

Some cool stuff to check out that is quite mind blowing.

Start from book 1

www.llresearch.org...

Read atleast the first book before you start questioning.



I'm not as green as it seems you're assuming and I am certainly entitled to my own manner of discovery and the level of detail I will accept. I read a little and it seems Ra pretty much asks the same as I, that you have to create the understanding yourself. The trouble is that gap and the troubles Ra experiences when stating things like "This understanding should be pondered by your mind/body/spirit complex as it is a distortion which plays a part in your experiences at this nexus." Every thing passed back is a distortion, much like the projection of a tesseract or other polychora into 3-D is a distortion.
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