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Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
The WHOLE point of the thread was to point out Europe’s past woes as well, as a matter of fact Africa was the last place to be brutalized by Europe, and that’s in the past 50 Years.... Not to mention the English Mandate on Palestine Mandate (or UN) which is why you see fighting in Israel. This may seem rude, But Europe as taking a back seat and allowed America to run the show, when it benefits your governments you look the other way (Iraq) (Iran) when you stand to lose lucrative contracts (Saddam Era) you throw a fit.
Every day politicians and pundits talk of another chance at Middle East peace missed, delayed or subverted. The focus is always on Palestinians and Israelis as the keystone to a global settlement with the West and across the region. But in the original peace arrangement between the Jews, Arabs and the Western powers, it was not settlements and Jerusalem that were at the heart of the problem. In fact, the Arabs originally agreed to a Jewish state complete with massive Jewish immigration. For Arabs, the prize was not Palestine, it was Syria.
This is the story of how the original Middle East peace plan crafted among all sides in the aftermath of World War I was subverted - not by Jews or Zionists, but by the French.
It begins at the Paris Peace Conference in January 1919, in a flag-bedecked, battle-scarred but victorious Paris. There, the great top-hatted Allied men of vision and illusion gathered to remake the world and invent the post-Ottoman Middle East. At those fateful meetings, the Arabs and Jews formally agreed to mutually endorse both their national aspirations and live in peace.
At the height of its power (16th–17th century), it spanned three continents, controlling much of Southeastern Europe, Western Asia and North Africa. The Ottoman Empire contained 29 provinces and numerous vassal states; some of which were later absorbed into the empire, while others gained various types of autonomy during the course of centuries. The empire also temporarily gained authority over distant overseas lands through declarations of allegiance to the Ottoman Sultan and Caliph, such as the declaration by the Sultan of Aceh in 1565; or through the temporary acquisitions of islands in the Atlantic Ocean, such as Lanzarote (1585).
The empire was at the centre of interactions between the Eastern and Western worlds for six centuries. With Constantinople as its capital city, and vast control of lands around the eastern Mediterranean during the reign of Suleiman the Magnificent (ruled 1520 to 1566), the Ottoman Empire was, in many respects, an Islamic successor to the Eastern Roman (Byzantine) Empire.
A famous saying is attributed to Captain Williams, who was serving as a company commander in the 5th Marines. When advised to withdraw by a French officer at the defensive line just north of the village of Lucy-le-Bocage on June 1, 1918, he is said to have replied: "Retreat? Hell, we just got here!" Captain Williams would not survive the ensuing battle, and was posthumously promoted to major and awarded the Distinguished Service Cross.
Originally posted by SLAYER69
I found this informative perspective. For those who haven't looked more than a few years in the past at the present day issues will find this very interesting.
Originally posted by dooper
reply to post by SLAYER69
I grow so weary of the sniping, snide remarks, and careless rhetoric by certain "Europeans."
Ever note they criticize our concept of "patriotism?"
Know why? They don't enjoy any such thing. They have bits of national pride, but no comparable things such as Patriotism.
It's real difficult to engage in patriotism when they look around at the long-term deterioration of their own countries, consider their best days are long behind them, and then engage in patriotism.
Patriotism is a concept of hope and yes, even enthusiasm.
For those in older countries with little hope of things getting any better, there is little hope, muted enthusiasm, and the only way to compensate is to belittle those in the US who still have hope and enthusiasm.
The trajectory of Europe, continuing as the ballistic model would project, indicates an internal takeover by Muslim invaders who actually came in the front door, and a complete takeover within another two decades.
Note carefully that they are already bending their own traditions and laws to conform with the demands of these groups of religious immigrants.
Unarmed, there is no hope of changing their fortunes.
Unarmed, they love to criticize our culture that is armed to the gunwhales, calling us a violent country who glorifies weapons and personal freedoms they can't match.
Yet it was our guns that pulled their bacon out of the fire twice, our guns and reputation that kept an aggressive communist Soviet Union at bay during the Cold War, and one who eventually broke the Soviet Union financially.
When the Soviets decided to shut down Berlin and starve it out, it was American equipment, supplies, funding, effort, ingenuity, and sheer determination that caused the Soviets to blink first.
Yeah, we're one big group of SOB's.
And there are many around the world who maybe need to get on their knees and thank their Creator that we are those SOB's.
Soon to be demoted to your Allah.
Nowhere in the world talks about it the way they do: "I'm 16th Finnish on my mother's side". Why?
Originally posted by seagull
reply to post by plumranch
that's probably a large part of it. Americans simply don't have that history of hundreds, even thousands of years of blood shed. Ours is bloody enough, but it hasn't, for the most part, left the scars that Europeans have, and are, dealing with.
They, and we, simply don't have the same perspective on such matters.
Originally posted by SLAYER69
As many here have already pointed out. We don't have a history going back thousands of years nor do we have monarchies or ancient cultural rivalries. Most of our forefathers let that go. etc. We only have each other.
Black, White, Brown, Red and yellow etc.
All bound together under the Red White and Blue.
Originally posted by pieman
Originally posted by SLAYER69
But we don't hold onto the things that divide you.
what, like nationality?? irish-american, african-american, latin-american, asian american, anglo-american, native-american?
creed? christian schools, jewish quaters, bible belt.
language? english, french spanish and portuguese.
ideology, left, right socialists and facists. just becaue you guys don't seem to understand them, doesn't mean you're not divided by them. what is it you guys have left behind?