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Originally posted by chaeone86
The fact you describe China as a Communist nation says it all my friend. If china was a real communist land, as marx set forth in the manifesto, how could it simultaneously be the most important gear in the global capital market?
Without China, the capitalist society we Westerners lord over could not exist.
Originally posted by Orion65
Mudslinging and finger-pointing. Which nation is free of atrocities, or war, or negative actions?
Does humanity at this moment in time need accusations or should we collectively start working towards a more positive mindset?
Originally posted by chaeone86
reply to post by nenothtu
Fair enough, I will admit to losing my focus a bit in generalization toward the end of my post and may have lost track of my original point.
A lot of the big, early land grabs were accomplished through totally uneven trades (like the Hudson River tribes with what is now New York).
If I remember correctly, the Natives didn't practice the concept of Land ownership, or view it in the same way Europeans did with lines and boundaries. So a lot of Land Grabbing consisted of Europeans "screwin the injuns", claiming the land, encroaching on Native's space, Killing those who would object and generally pushing the rest further west or expelling them elsewhere. Trade was noteable in that through this chaos, trade introduced things like guns and horses, things that set one tribe above another and acted to promote, from chaos, war and fighting between the tribes. It served to prevent unity. By the time the Manifest Destiny was if full kick, there wasn't a chance in h*ll.
Now i won't disagree-- there was a lot of murder, killing for sport, unforgivable stuff. But, to think some penny loafer Europeans could come over in their ships, a few thousand at most a time, and overthrow a hemisphere's worth of multiple societies with shear force alone... nah, i don't buy that. There were unbalancing forces throughout that, in my perspective, these made the difference when all was done. Trade and capitalism as an extension being the most essential.
Your right...neither are white hats or black hats and arguing about how one side is better than the other is like arguing if apples are red or green.
So effectively what this thread is about: America: We might have blown up our own twin towers, and invaded the wrong country and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent lives in the pursuit of oil, drugs and territory.... But we sure as hell won't let europe forget about some things that happened in a totally different life time, because that's just how mature us Americans are. Sure we may be not have any history of our own, but we'll certainly criticise anyone who does.
Originally posted by OTTOKARMA
So effectively what this thread is about: America: We might have blown up our own twin towers, and invaded the wrong country and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent lives in the pursuit of oil, drugs and territory.... But we sure as hell won't let europe forget about some things that happened in a totally different life time, because that's just how mature us Americans are. Sure we may be not have any history of our own, but we'll certainly criticise anyone who does.
My friend , i agree with your point of view totaly and i agree with other posters, when i see that kind of thread, i can tell the quality of ATs is just...sinking
who the hell is lookin for "booo you did some mistakes in the past too ,i feel like crap but i gonna blame you to feel less guilty"
dont forget to blame ALL countries all around if you want to play equally
poedxsoldiervet, you're a damn good troll i must say and your thread is a pretty good piece of garbage,now stop embarassing yourself and go back in the troll forest
Here, ladies and gentlemen, for your amusement, we have an EXCELLENT proper example of precisely the sort of post this thread was meant to answer! Long on verbiage, short on substance, and seeking to blame America for the woes of the world, while simultaneously deflecting responsibility from self. Way to go! and thanks for your support!
Originally posted by Freeborn
And I would like to add that for all the US's chest beating, peacock strutting and undoubted wrong doing the world would be a much worse place without them.
Imagine the alternatives?